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Hi Deiadameian. You might find Wikiproject: Classical Greece and Rome of interest. It is the closest thing Wikipedia has to project covering Greek mythology. Regards, Paul August ☎ 17:17, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

By the way thanks for your edits today at Hades. Paul August ☎ 15:32, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

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Didin't mean to remove that, sorry. Paul August ☎ 14:36, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

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Thankyou for dealing with all those URLs, that's really helpful. — Dave12121212 [talk] 22:07, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes I agree. Paul August ☎ 00:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Different editions and pagination at Selene

Hi Deiadameian, I noticed the pagination problem regarding google-searches for Keightley's The Mythology of Greece and Italy. There are several editions of that work, some searchable, some not: they should not all be treated as the same. You have linked to the correct page in Thomas Keightley, Second edition, 1838. The Edition listed and used elsewhere in the article is an expanded version (paper?), 1877, with Leonhard Schmitz. As it's there in the sources, that would normally be the version we'd follow. According to its description in google-search, it was digitized in 2008 (whatever that means, because as far as I can see, it's not searchable through google). I thought I'd bring this up, as you do good work here and you're quite likely to encounter similar problems in the future, especially with older, revised and enlarged (or corrected) editions. Regards, Haploidavey (talk) 08:56, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

I had no idea that the other links led to a different edition than the one I had in mind. The 2008 one is unsearchable, and I could not tell what its pagination was like. Additionally, Mr Paul August's edit only changed the page number, but not the link overall, leading to a page with irrelevant information. Deiadameian (talk) 09:13, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
I'm sure you guys will sort it out; you'e both highly competent. I'd offer to help but am liable to screw-up the mark-up. Haploidavey (talk) 11:33, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

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Just a few things

Hello Deiadameian, I've reverted this edit of yours and made a few other minor changes at Hemera, and I just thought I'd give a bit of explanation regarding citations in general.

A few things to note:

  • You don't need to have the "vol. V" in the citation because the entry in the bibliography specifies that it's volume five.
  • When citing different books by the same author, it's best to write the author's name and the year of publication. This applies to different volumes as well, so if multiple volumes of Farnell were cited, it would be: Farnell 1909, p. 419. (When two books by the same author are both from the same year, it's best to write them with "a" and "b" after the year. (For example, see the Norris 2001a and 2001b citations here; uses sfn but the same point applies.) This means that if, for example, you wanted to cite volumes one and two of Farnell, they would look like this: Farnell 1896a, p. 5; Farnell 1896b, p. 5. Then you'd put an "a" and a "b" after the year in the respective bibliography entries.)
  • The "p." goes with the number in the blue link if it's only one page or group of pages that you're citing. For example: Hard, p. 20; Hard, pp. 20–21. If you're citing multiple group of pages, then the "pp." goes outside the link. For example: Hard, pp. 20–22, 30, 40.
  • When citing multiple pages or verses, it's better to use an en dash (–) rather than a hyphen (-). For example: Hesiod, Theogony 123–125 rather than Hesiod, Theogony 123-125. (You might like to look at MOS:DASH.)
  • This is the best way to cite the Bibliotheca: Apollodorus, 1.1.1. (Rather than: Pseudo-Apollodorus, Library 1.1.1)
  • When citing equivalent cites, the one listed second should be in square brackets. For example: Proclus, Commentary on Plato's Timaeus 30 c, d (I 427, 20 Diehl)] [= Orphic fr. 79 Kern]. Also, the full stop should come after the bracket, not before (i.e. "... fr. 79 Kern]." and not "... fr. 79 Kern.]").
  • It is preferable to have the author's surname before their first name in the bibliography, because the entries are sorted by their last names.
  • Also, citations should end in a full stop.

I've ended up writing quite a bit here, so if you disagree with anything I've said or want clarity on something, please respond. Otherwise, hopefully this helps, and all the best. Happy end of year.

— Dave12121212 [talk] 02:55, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

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Brill's New Pauly s.v. Selene

Hi Deiadameian, Do you happen to have access to the full text of Brill's New Pauly s.v. Selene? Anything more than just the snippet that can be seen here? If so I'd like to look at it. Best regards, Paul August ☎ 12:43, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

I am sorry, I do not. Best regards and merry end of the year. Best regards Deiadameian (talk) 13:10, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Ok thanks, and happy holidays to you too. Paul August ☎ 14:32, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Platthy, p. 100?

On another matter, I see that the sentence you added to Circe here, citing Platthy, p. 100, has been reverted. Note that the previous sentence:

"Roman poets associated her with the most ancient traditions of Latium, and made her home to be on the promontory of Circeo.[1]"

is discussing the same point as your addition, the promontory of Cicero being Mount Circeo or Cape Circeo (Cape Circaeum) on the western coast of Italy—about 100 kilometers south of Rome, which I presume is the same location Platthy is referring to. If you could share with me the relevant passage from Platthy, then perhaps I could merge your addition with the existing sentence.Paul August ☎ 15:07, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Virgil, Aeneid 7.10
@Paul August: I do not think it matters, but the whole text:
The goddess Kirke was the daughter of Helios and the Okeanid Perse. She traveled to her island on her father's chariot from Kolchis where her brother, Aietes, father of Medea, ruled as king. The name of the island was Aeaea, and this island, somewhere in the East, was also the home and dancing place of Eos and the beginning of dawn. In contrast to this, ancient authors placed her island south of Rome, on the Western Coast of Italy, at Cape Circeo, once a separate island. Others in modern times located it around Sicily, or even further in the West.
Best regards, Deiadameian, (talk) 15:24, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

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Pamprepius, fragment 3?

In this edit, at Selene, you add that Selene is described as

κυανῶπις (kyanṓpis, "dark-eyed") according to Pamprepius.[1]

citing Pamprepius, fragment 3, and linking that cite to pp. 566, 567 of Pages's Select Papyri, Volume III: Poetry (= Select Papyri 3.140). Where did you get that this is = Pamprepius, fragment 3? Paul August ☎ 13:31, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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  1. ^ Pamprepius, frag 3
Greetings, @Paul August:, and happy new year. I own a book (not Loeb's tome) with the works and fragments of some poets, Pamprepius included, which indeed had an extensive fragmentary poem of his, which used kyanopis for Selene. I remember faintly that it was marked fragment three (or close to that), but right now unfortunately I am at my parents' home for the holiday season, and I do not have said book at hand to check the exact number and text of interest. Remove this particular bit if it's deemed unverifiable. Best regards, Deiadameian, (talk), 15:15, 4 January 2022, (UTC)
Thanks. Michael Aurel (see User talk:Paul August#Pamprepius fr. for Selene) has found this text listed as Pamprepius fragment 3 in Enrico Livrea's Pamprepii Panopolitani carmina. Paul August ☎ 13:13, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Reversion at Demeter

Hi; sorry to revert you at Demeter, had to remove material added indiscriminately beforehand and after (apparently from theoi.com.) Regards Haploidavey (talk) 17:51, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Haploidavey: Is it ok to add them again? It was the "food goddesses" category and an explanation of Erysichthon's motives (based on Callimachus' version). I did not use theoi.com as a source. Regards, Deiadameian (talk) 19:17, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Very much OK to restore your edits; as ever, they're of high quality. Sorry I couldn't quite work out what was whose (getting old and easily confused...) Haploidavey (talk) 21:11, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Persephone and Proserpine

I would like to ask you to keep the quotes from Lucan and Virgil, on both pages, because it is specified that they are Roman sources and most of the sources already cited on the page are Roman or from after the Roman occupation of Greece (after 200 BC), and it is a interesting way to interpret her evolution with the centuries and most people don't see Proserpina's page(please keep the quotes on both) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.7.161.77 (talk) 18:04, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

the case of Proserpine case is a little special, she is basically Persephone who was brought to italy by greek colonists, Hades doesn't even change his name most greeks already called him Pluto. Aizen94 (talk) 18:27, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
the case of Proserpine case is a little special, she is basically Persephone who was brought to italy by greek colonists, Hades doesn't even change his name most greeks already called him Pluto. Aizen7817 (talk) 18:13, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
@Aizen7817: If you insist, then I will not remove it. But I do advise discussing it in the article's talk page so you and any other user who might disagree can come to an agreement about what to include and what not. Deiadameian (talk) 18:46, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
thanks for your attention! I think this will make the search easier and more practical, as most people don't read Proserpina's page and the text already specifies that they are roman sources Aizen7817 (talk) 19:57, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
I put a link in the Lucan quote, to make the search easier and to specify even more, that these sources are about Proserpina Aizen7817 (talk) 20:00, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
I put a link in the Lucan quote to make the searching easier, take readers to the Proserpina page and specify that these sources are about Proserpina! thanks for your attention and patience Aizen7817 (talk) 20:16, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

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Archive 1

Re my edit at Selene

Sorry, I didn't mean to remove your addition of the infobox "animals" entry. Paul August ☎ 21:40, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

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Pics at Ares

Hi! Hope you're well. I'm all-too-aware that the availability of images for Ares is very, very limited, but I'd also would like to avoid pictorial emphasis on a single story, especially where that story derives from the brief but highly dramatic, Homeric "interlude" of Ares and Aphrodite "caught in the net". It's relevant to the Ares cult, and most likely on his ritual binding (see the article section on ritually bound deities) but it's also a quite common subject in more modern (renascence and post-renascence) painting. The other difficulty is that both images are labelled as Venus and Mars, not Ares and Aphrodite; the article goes to some trouble to point out the originally separate identities of these later very similar (not identical) deities, even if those differences were eroded into a relatively bland Mars-Ares identity during the late Republic and early empire. Anyway, what I'm suggesting is that the newly added (wonderfully overblown and overcrowded) version is transferred to the "Mars" section, and the other, partial image is entirely removed. Please do let me know your thoughts on this. Cheers. Haploidavey (talk) 07:02, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Many articles on Greek gods have images that are of their Roman counterparts: Artemis's infobox image is Diana of Versailles, the older image on Ares is titled Mars and Venus Surprised by Vulcan so it was already about his Roman counterpart, many images from Persephone and Hades are from Italy and are thus Proserpina and Dis/Pluto. Is there some sort of cohesive list about Roman-god images that can be used in Greek articles and Roman-god images that cannot, because I am rather confused about which images are ok to use and which not? Deiadameian (talk) 07:15, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
I share your difficulties. There is no list, and each case should be argued on its own merits, without recourse to over-riding authority or policy. In other words, it's an editorial decision. However, I'd say (in the first place) that especially in an under-illustrated article such as this, two images of the same event constitute an over-emphasis on a single mythic episode. So that's one argument for removing one image. If that seems OK to you, I'd rather keep your newly added image, repositioned alongside the brief section on Mars, and labelled correctly as a much later illustration of the Homeric myth. What d'you think? (I've left a copy of my original post at the article talk-page. Haploidavey (talk) 07:29, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
I guess the newest image should be deleted, and the article returned to its previous state. Deiadameian (talk) 07:31, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
We crossed posts there. The "oldest" image (chronologically) is the one you added (17th century). I think it's a better illustration of the final text section. The other (partial) is 19th century. Ideally we'd have source commentary to help us out here. Haploidavey (talk) 07:38, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Alright. Deiadameian (talk) 07:40, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
PS; on the whole, the oldest images, especially those found in Greece, are more likely to represent Ares. Haploidavey (talk) 07:31, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks for everything you do in regards to Greek mythology. There's a surprising amount of people who are transformed by the gods. I'm slightly disappointed no one turns into clover. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:47, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your kind words, on my birthday too! Deiadameian (talk) 18:57, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for creating Milk of Hera and other high-quality Greek mythology articles! We appreciate your work. jengod (talk) 07:10, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

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Who is zeus? 109.242.134.161 (talk) 01:01, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Some guy who sells shawarma in my neighbourhood. Deiadameian (talk) 07:26, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

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Yes I know. I remembered about adding "coppied from Anemoi" clarification right after hitting the publish button. Deiadameian (talk) 16:45, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. If you remember afterwards, it is okay to do it in the edit summary of a subsequent dummy edit, such as this. DanCherek (talk) 20:38, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

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Penelope (mother of Pan)

Letting you know that I have, for now, reverted your edit here, returning the page to its previous state. Letting you know here since I'm assuming you haven't looked at Wikipedia in a few days. – Michael Aurel (talk) 09:45, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Nevermind actually, it seems you are here. – Michael Aurel (talk) 09:46, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
Sorry I was busy these days. I changed the paragraph. Deiadameian (talk) 09:48, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
All good, I've replied there. – Michael Aurel (talk) 09:56, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Autopatrolled

Hi Deiadameian, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the autopatrolled user right to your account. This means that pages you create will automatically be marked as 'reviewed', and no longer appear in the new pages feed. Autopatrolled is assigned to prolific creators of articles, where those articles do not require further review, and may have been requested on your behalf by someone else. It doesn't affect how you edit; it is used only to manage the workload of new page patrollers.

Since the articles you create will no longer be systematically reviewed by other editors, it is important that you maintain the high standard you have achieved so far in all your future creations. Please also try to remember to add relevant WikiProject templates, stub tags, categories, and incoming links to them, if you aren't already in the habit; user scripts such as Rater and StubSorter can help with this. As you have already shown that you have a strong grasp of Wikipedia's core content policies, you might also consider volunteering to become a new page patroller yourself, helping to uphold the project's standards and encourage other good faith article writers.

Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! – Joe (talk) 08:20, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh alright, thank you. Deiadameian (talk) 09:22, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
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