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Hindu numerals

Deeptrivia I have created a page : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerals_invented_by_Hindus. Also somewhat amusing that Indians are asking you to cool it. I wonder where there pride is? Perhaps they don't have any.

Do not give up. File an RFC against whoever RN is and you have my full support.

These westerners will not rewrite India's history on this wikipedia to suit there own egos.

--DPSingh 14:07, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Archived

This page is archived sooner than usual to rid it of foul and bad-faith comments. deeptrivia (talk) 17:16, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Numerals

Hey DT, cool down and leave it alone for a couple of days. These things are not as important as it may seem to you now :-) Tintin 17:40, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Common names

I see you've been involved in a recent article naming discussion related to the common names guideline. It's interesting to note that that convention says:

In cases where the common name of a subject is misleading ... then it is sometimes reasonable to fall back on a well-accepted alternative.

This is the part I would have applied to the Hindu-Arabic names case if I had noticed it.

In any case a few of us are currently trying to update that guideline to better reflect the opinion of Wikipedians. Your help would be appreciated. - Haukur 18:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Ah, I see that you raised that very point during the discussion. I also notice that you were backstabbed in the comment-placement/supermajority deal :)

In any case it is true that a conflict often arises between those who prefer academic/technical/precise/formal/full names/terms and those who prefer colloquial/common names/terms. There seems to be a pretty good consensus for using dog rather than Canis lupus familiaris but there are many disputed and gray areas. We're currently discussing this at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names) and your input would be appreciated. - Haukur 22:00, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Hindu-Arabic Numerals.

I propose we move it back to Hindu-Arabic Numerals right away.--Rsrikanth05 10:09, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Re:Festival International du Film de Marrakech

Hi DT! ;) I see that you are very busy! Thanks for the note. What I think is to follow the example of other festivals. The Venice Film Festival (Mostra Internazionale d'Arte Cinematografica) title is in English. Same for Carthage Film Festival. We can then redirect the French title to the English one. Cheers -- Szvest 19:39, 30 December 2005 (UTC)  ^{Wiki me up™}

Thanks

Hey man, Thanks alot for your help on my computer question. By the way I like your quote from Rumi in your User Page. --(Aytakin) | Talk 04:54, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

The First one

Dear deeptrivia, Happy new year! Its a pleasure to be the first in 2006 to drop you a line :-) Wish you a fabulous year ahead. Happy editing & Cheers! --ΜιĿːtalk

The "Thanks Wagon"

DT! Happy New Year! I am sure of not being among the thousands of people who said Thank you to you! Indeed, you are one of the most wiki-minded people I've ever met! I have no barnstar to add to your list but I'll someday create an appropriate one for you.

Thanks for the list and for your contributions! I'll be adding what I could to it ;). Cheers -- Szvest 02:19, 1 January 2006 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up™}

Happy new year!

Wish you a happy and excitin' NY 2006 =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:07, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

happy new year, and thanks for the ashvamedha link; the station is very interesting, but unfortunately I was not online to see the ashvamedha programme... happy editing in 2006! dab (ᛏ) 16:49, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

PS, regarding the "Hindu-Arabic numerals" issue; I think it would be sad if this became merely an issue of Hindus trying to vote down non-Hindus and vice versa. I was only familiar with the term "Arabic numerals" (while of course being aware that the Arabs got them from India; that's just what they used to be called), but I have seen that "Hindu-Arabic numerals" is also commonly used today. For this reason (and only for this), I have no problem at all with having the article at that title. But I think you need to understand that people opting for "Arabic numerals" do not do so out of an anti-Hindu sentiment, but merely because that is the more familiar term to them. In 400 AD, Europe was at the bottom end of "civilization" scale, with the Hindus (or maybe the Chinese) on top, and the Arabs somewhere in between, catching up, and knowledge trickled down to Europe via the Arabs from AD 800 or so  :) -- "Hindu-Arabic numerals" appears to be coined for Political Correctness. I am usually not fond of PC terms, but since in this case it is both Politically and Historically Correct, I do think it will be a good idea to have the article at that title. I am writing you this because I am concerned that Indians may switch into "we are being persecuted" mode at this issue, and I am giving you my understanding of the 'other' side, as it were :) dab (ᛏ) 17:05, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

May God bless you and your family in this new year Deeptrivia.

As far as Hindu-Arabic numerals is concerned, there has been a flagrant violation of all rules.

It is clear that the title should rightly be Hindu-Arabic numerals as per the vote. It will not be immoral to change the title from Arabic numerals since that move was illegal in the first place.

I'll see what I can do, but if I simply revert the move, we gonna have a revert war. I reiterate the need for an administrator to lay down the law.

Jai Sri Rama!

Rama's Arrow 01:23, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Dal-bati

Hello, could you take a look at dal-bati? It needs a little TLC that I'm not qualified to give. Thanks. --Mrwojo 03:59, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Articles improvement

Hi Deeptrivia,

I would really appreciate it if you could have a look at 3 articles: Indian nationalism, Hindu nationalism, Indian Muslim nationalism. I created these articles, and I'm now focused on improving them. They have some issues with POV and some politically sensitive material, but most of the info is verified.

I'm asking for your help since you designed an FA-class and quality article on Malwa. It was really good work, and I would like tips from you on how to upgrade the quality of these articles.

I'm presently just focused on improving such articles that I've created, and I'm transforming myself. Reply on my talkpage - I put up the don't-leave-messages request only coz I wanna stay out of fresh issues and debates until I finish my reorg.

Jai Sri Rama!

Rama's Arrow 07:59, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

P.S. - you must know it, but on the talkpage of Indian nationalism, I had a dispute with Gurubrahma some months ago, so its not a current thing you should get alarmed at. I've asked for his help too in improving the article.

Agra map

Yeah, the map is a pov and the location seems incorrect. =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:01, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Speciesism

Yes, it has turned into a personal essay. Not sure I can face tackling it, though I'll support you if you do and you're challenged. Good quote from Rumi on your user page, by the way. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 17:10, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note!

Whew! I'm glad it was inadvertent. Didn't want to have a fight with you -- your edits up till now have been so sensible! Zora 00:06, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Vikramaditya

Hi DT, was wondering if you can have a look at Vikramaditya and the its Ujjain related references. Have done a lot of POV and language cleanup, but thought it useful to flag it off to you. Am sure you would be able to add value to the topic. Thanks. --ΜιĿːtalk 08:23, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the welcome, I've been editing in a small way a while now but only just registered. Do you know how long after registering, I must wait before being able to submit or write a featured page, or vote on one. I asked on the page concerned but there is a big fight going on, so it will probably be lost. Thanks Mike Aspern 15:44, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Common names, Hindu-Arabic numerals

Francis Schonken just mentioned you in the discussion on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (common names). Just thought I'd let you know. - Haukur 10:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Rfa thanks

Hello Deeptrivia. Thank you for supporting my Rfa! :) I will try my best to be a good administrator. --a.n.o.n.y.m t 17:43, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

HAN

I don't know; You have shown many instances of "HAN" referring to European 0-9. What you haven't shown is that the term is used to the exclusion of other glyphs, e.g. the "Arabic-Indic numerals". I think HAN is used for the system, plus its glyphs, the European form just being used as "default" versions. I cannot imagine that an article comparing the European and the Arabic forms would use "HAN" vs. "AIN" in contrast. What we need is an article discussing the glyph variants (a math lexicon will not do this, since it is interested in the system, not the glyphs), seeing what terminology they use to distinguish them. All things considered, I think the present solution is fair, and comes up-front with the terminological difficulties. dab (ᛏ) 07:13, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

well, I should say that I have no preference; my involvement is restricted to trying to find the most widely acceptable solution that still presents the facts coherently. Do you agree with the present separation of the material, viz., one article on the system in general, and one about the specifically European developments? We should only begin to discuss about nuances in titles once we are clear about the number and scopes of articles. My question is still, if we use "Hindu-Arabic" for the European glyphs in particular, won't it be misleading to use "Hindu-Arabic" for the system in general? Also, the terms "Hindu-Arabic" and "Arabic-Indic" are apparent synonyms, and any paragraph that uses both terms in opposition is bound to be confusing. I am happy with using "Hindu-Arabic" for the European glyphs, and "Arabic-Indic" for the Arabic ones, no problem. "Arabic" as a common term for the European ones should still be mentioned of course. As long as these inherent difficulties are kept in mind, I think I entirely agree with your approach. dab (ᛏ) 09:27, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Very well -- I've come across such Unicode-isms before; by all means use "Eastern Arabic numerals", then! dab (ᛏ) 19:43, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Arabic numerals

Hi! I don't know what to make of the recent changes. Since you're following this up, I think its best you summarise what happened. Glyphs, system etc. There are simply too many forks being churned out. I suggest reducing them. Since the opposition to the name change has died down, I think it should be left at what it already was. Thanks, =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:37, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

3D Monster Maze trivia

Hi again. I had inserted the positive sum strategy in the article per your suggestion on the talk page, but now, as I was restructuring the article/rearranging the sections as per the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computer_and_video_games#Organization, it kind of has begun to stick out. Currently in the Gameplay section (talking on scoring), it still borders on going directly against the recommendation to remember not to include player's guide or walkthrough material, although it is probably legitimate because of the scoring context... Should it be left there? removed? more explicitly tied to scoring? moved to a new Trivia section in the end? Can you please have a look and comment (on that article's talk) or just edit it? TIA, --BACbKA 22:55, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: AFD on Numerals invented by Hindus

Thanks for your detailed response. I'm glad to hear things are no longer as contentious as they were. --C S (Talk) 08:10, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

FA candidacy

Hi Deeptrivia,

I think the Political Integration of India would be a good FA candidate. In my opinion, it is the ideal kinda article for the recent history of India to be brought to the forefront.

However, I know the article has problems: politically contentious material, and only two sources of reference (not a problem in my opinion, but a bit odd-looking to others). Tom Radulvich has made some good edits to the last sections, but has not provided his references despite my asking.

I need your help and advice. What do you think about this?

Jai Sri Rama! Rama's Arrow 18:21, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Additional question: how is one to deal with the section "A Game of Chess?" and with the suggestions of Jinnah's and Patel's political intentions?

I don't quite know how to get copyright permission for maps - that's one area where I definitely need your aid.

Thanks for the tips. I'll attend to them by Monday at least. For references, I'll put in some of Gandhi's own from his book.

Jai Sri Rama!

Rama's Arrow 18:53, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi again - I've basically read thru the guidelines for getting FA status. Your points have helped my understanding a lot, and I will enact them by Monday end at least. If you're busy and can't contribute, its pretty OK. I basically value your opinion a lot, so I won't move on this nomination unless you yourself feel its ready for peer review, etc. I just need your help on the maps thing.

Jai Sri Rama! Rama's Arrow 19:04, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi - I've acted upon your suggestions, and apart from a major CATscan which I will give this article on Monday, there are few changes left to make in my opinion.

How does this look to you now? Apart from needing one map of British India, its ready for nomination and peer review in my opinion, but I value yours before acting on it.

Jai Sri Rama! Rama's Arrow 00:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

What do you suggest on the main map issue?

Rama's Arrow 00:46, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi - the ball is now rollin'. Thanks for your help this far - sorry for being a pain in the arse.

Jai Sri Rama! Rama's Arrow 01:04, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm gonna request copyright permission for those two images (somehow...). I hope things will be arranged by the time peer review ends. I've asked Deepak Gupta, Bhadani and Gurubrahma for help, and made the postings on Portal:India and Indian notice board. Thanks for all your help!

Jai Sri Rama! Rama's Arrow 01:13, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Updating Portal:Hinduism

Hi Deeptrivia, when the Portal was fairly new, it was being updated after every week or so. Now the portal will not be listed for deletion. Should the portal now be updated every month. Even some of the Featured portals are updated every month. DaGizza ^Chat 20:48, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: your message on gu:User Talk:Spundun

Hi Deeptrivia,

Thanks for the encouragement, :) . I am trying to keep the gujarati wikipedia neat and clean so that its inviting to a newcomer, not much luck yet, we did have a few enthusiasts who come and go, even I took a vacation a few months back, but hopefully this time we will get good momentum. On the hindi wikipedia, we do have much more activity so I am trying to be a dedicated janitor there and not really create any articles, not until I get the current ones sorted out in appropriate categories anyway. :)

I see that you are doing great contributions to india related articles on en: Thats great! keep it up!

Regards --Spundun 06:38, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I have responded to your message on my talk page. --Spundun 07:02, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

responded again. --Spundun 07:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

British India map =

Take a look at this. If this can be reproduced, it would be awesome. deeptrivia (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

The creator of the maps, Joaquín de Salas Vara de Rey <JQVARADEREY@terra.es> has emailed his permission to use this image! I'm putting it in under GFDL. Along with required details, I'm also posting a copy of the emails we exchanged.

Rama's Arrow 16:02, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi - I'd like to know your opinion on the "Game of Chess" section. Nobody has inserted their views upon the matter yet, and I don't want to carry a potential problem into the FA nomination process. Thanks. Rama's Arrow 17:57, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Happy new year

Wish you and your family a Happy New Year '06 and best of life for ever. I am slghtly active on the Eng Wiki for some time and shall revert shortly.

--Dore chakravarty 20:57, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Northwestern South Asia

That is a good one ! Did someone really add such a line or did you make it up ? :-) Tintin Talk 04:41, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Just dropping by to say Hi. I've noticed that there has been a lot of POV pushing on India related articles like Rajput,Sher Shah Suri,Aurangzeb,Islamic conquest of South Asia ETC, may be youcould help.

अमेय आरयन AMbroodEY 16:22, 10 January 2006 (UTC)