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Your submission at Articles for creation: Studio East (May 13)

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Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 23:50, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Deadwaster, I noticed your article was declined at Articles for Creation, and that can be disappointing. If you are wondering or curious about why your article submission was declined please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there!

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Studio East concern

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Your draft article, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Studio East

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. HasteurBot (talk) 22:28, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Studio East (March 11)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by LaMona was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

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You don't have any references that are substantially about the studio (or at least, I didn't see any among the ones I viewed). The articles about the albums mention the studio, but the studio itself needs references if the article is to be about the studio.

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LaMona (talk) 04:16, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Studio East (March 12)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by LaMona was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

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I had removed the link (#1 here) that you have added back in because it is a blog post, and blog posts are not reliable sources. So you cannot use that, which is why I removed it. Do not add it back in.

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LaMona (talk) 01:35, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Your draft article, Draft:Beasts

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Puffin ^{Let's talk!} 14:43, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ed East moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Ed East. Unfortunately, it is not ready for publishing because it needs more sources to establish notability. Your article is now a draft where you can improve it undisturbed for a while.

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Hi and thank you for reviewing my submission.

I have added some more sources to establish notability.

I realise that some of the sources are in German language, however since they are web sources, it should be possible to perform a google translate of the web page to review the relevance.

The one source, which I think establishes the highest degree of notability is the link to German Rolling Stone, which is a full page article of an interview with Ed East. As far as I can see, this should establish the notability sufficiently, since attention from Rolling Stone can really be seen as a yardstick for notability in the music industry. I realise that it is not possible to perform a simple google translate on this article, so I have taken the liberty of transcribing the German text, in order that you can feed it into a machine translation tool, like google translate. I have also done this myself and will post the results here, in case interesting for you.

Given the full page Rolling Stone interview with Ed East, plus the FM4 citation, which is the transcript of a radio interview with Ed East, on a mainstream Vienna radio station, as well as the full page article in the NME, the British standard music industry journal, I would hope that the notability is established.

Please do let me know how this now stands? Deadwaster (talk) 11:16, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Prog versus Rock

Bei der britischen Band Chikinki kämpfen die Akademiker gegen die Traditionalisten. Und das ist sogar tanzbar.

Wer bekommt das Einzelzimmer? Wer darf auf der Rückfahrt im Bandbus den Kater ausschlafen? Wo wird gegessen: McDonalds oder BurgerKing? Die wirklich wichitgen Fragen, die sich im Alltag einer Rockband stellen, beantworten Chikinki mit Hilfe von „Schnick-Schnack-Schnuck“. Sogar einen Song hat man schon geschrieben über die seltsame Form der Beschlussfindung, „Scissors Paper Stone“.

Beim Entstehen von „Brace, Brace“, dem neuen, dritten Album des britischen Quintetts, allerdings spielte das Knobeln dann doch eine eher untergeordnete Rolle. „Musikalisch sind wir eine extrem demokratische Band“, erzählt Gitarrist Ed East. Tatsächlich ist die band-interne Demokratie sogar parlamentarisch organisiert, stehen sich doch zwei Fraktionen gegenüber. Auf der einen Seite Gitarrist East, Sänger Rupert Browne und Schlagzeuger Steve Bond, die einen Rock-Hintergrund haben. Auf der anderen die beiden Keyboarder Simon „Boris“ Exton und Trevor Wensley, die eine akademische musikalische Ausbildung genossen haben. „Die Rock-Sektion hat eindeutig einen Minderwertigkeitskomplex“, beschreibt East die politische Gemengelage, „weil die Prog-Sektion die Hochschul-Abschlüsse hat.“

Die beiden Fraktionen repräsentieren auch die beiden musikalischen Genres, die in der Musik von Chikinki zusammenfinden. Ihren Gitarrenpop erweitert die Band mit modischen Synthesizer-Einsprengseln und tummelt sich damit im einstmals toten, mittlerweile aber recht belebten Raum zwischen Dancefloor und Indie-Pop, „Electrobeat, Electrorock, Nu Rave, Electroclash“, stöhnt East, „es gibt so viele Begriffe, aber es ist doch unsinnig, unsere Musik in eine Schublade stecken zu wollen.“

Tatsächlich verfolgen Chikinki ihren Ansatz schon so lange, dass man sie als die vergessenen Pioniere der großen Versöhnung von Tanzboden und Popcharts feiern konnte, als den Prototypen einer Erfolgsband wie Klaxons. Gegründet haben sich Chikinki schließlich bereits Ende der Neunziger in Bristol, zuerst als eher loses Hobby-Projekt, dem auch kein rechter Name einfallen wollte. Gut zehn Jahre später bigt es viele Versionen, was Chikinki heißen könnte, die Wahrheit aber ist, dass die Bandname rein gar nichts bedeutet, sondern ursprünglich einfach gut klingen sollte.

Eine Vorgehensweise, die auch auf „Brace, Brace“ ihre Spuren hinterlassen hat. Endlich, so Ed East, sollte auch auf Platte „unser wahre Sound, unsere Live-Energie eingefangen werden“. Das allerdings ist nur ansatzweise gelungen: Zwar finden sich mit „Sunrise“ oder „You Said“ einige der hitparadentauglichsten Songs, die Chikinki jemals aufgenommen haben, aber bisweilen klingt das Album seltsam blutleer. Ein Grund dafür ist das Dogma der Band, grundsätzlich nur aufzunehmen, was auch live reproduzierbar ist. Bewusst verzichtet man im Studio auf Samples und bei Auftritten auf Backing-Tapes. „Das ist uns immens wichtig“, sagt East, „denn erst wenn man live zusammen spielt, entsteht auf der Bühne wirklich eine Energie. Jedes unserer Konzerte ist anders, das mag ich.“

East selbst hat sich nun allerbeste Möglichkeiten geschaffen, den ganz speziellen Live-Sound seiner Band demnächst vielleicht doch noch konservieren zu können. In Berlin, wo er seit gut einem Jahr lebt, hat er sich „einen Lebenstraum erfüllt“ und ein Studio eröffnet. In London, wo der Rest der Band geblieben ist, wäre „das finanziell nie und nimmer möglich gewesen“. Einer der Partner beim Studiobetrieb ist übrigens Chikinki-Schlagzeuger Steve Bond. Der gilt auch als bester „Schnick-Schnack-Schnuck“-Spieler der Band. Und das wird wohl darauf hinaus laufen, dass Ed East immer zum Kaffeekochen verdonnert wird.

[English translation]

Prog versus rock

With the British band Chikinki, the academics fight the traditionalists. And it's even danceable.

Who gets the single room? Who gets to sleep off the hangover on the band bus on the way back? Where to eat: McDonalds or BurgerKing? The really important questions that arise in the everyday life of a rock band are answered by Chikinki with the help of "Schnick-Schnack-Schnuck". They have even written a song about the strange form of decision-making, "Scissors Paper Stone".

In the making of "Brace, Brace", the new, third album by the British quintet, however, games of chance played a rather subordinate role. "Musically, we are an extremely democratic band," says guitarist Ed East. In fact, the band's internal democracy is even organised like a parliament, with two factions facing each other. On the one hand, guitarist East, singer Rupert Browne and drummer Steve Bond, who have a rock background. On the other, keyboardists Simon "Boris" Exton and Trevor Wensley, who have had academic musical training. "The rock section clearly has an inferiority complex," East describes the political situation, "because the prog section has the university degrees."

The two factions also represent the two musical genres that come together in Chikinki's music. Expanding their guitar pop with fashionable synthesiser interjections, the band romps around in the once dead but now quite busy space between dancefloor and indie pop, "electrobeat, electrorock, nu rave, electroclash," East groans, "there are so many terms, but it's nonsensical to try to pigeonhole our music."

In fact, Chikinki have been pursuing their approach for so long that they could be hailed as the forgotten pioneers of the great reconciliation of dancefloor and pop charts, the prototype of a successful band like Klaxons. Chikinki were founded in Bristol at the end of the nineties, initially as a rather loose hobby project that couldn't think of a proper name. A good ten years later, there are many versions of what Chikinki could mean, but the truth is that the band name doesn't mean anything at all, but was originally just meant to sound good.

An approach that also left its mark on "Brace, Brace". Finally, according to Ed East, "our true sound, our live energy should be captured on record". However, they only succeeded to a certain extent: Although "Sunrise" and "You Said" are some of the most hit-parade-worthy songs Chikinki have ever recorded, the album sometimes sounds strangely anaemic. One reason for this is the band's dogma of only recording what can be reproduced live. They deliberately do without samples in the studio and backing tapes at gigs. "That's immensely important to us," says East, "because only when you play together live does an energy really emerge on stage. Each of our concerts is different, which is what I like."

East himself has now created the very best opportunities to perhaps soon be able to preserve his band's very special live sound. In Berlin, where he has been living for a year, he has "fulfilled a lifelong dream" and opened a studio. In London, where the rest of the band stayed, "that would never have been financially possible". By the way, one of the partners in running the studio is Chikinki drummer Steve Bond. He's also considered the band's best "Schnick-Schnack-Schnuck" player. And that will probably amount to Ed East always being relegated to making coffee. Deadwaster (talk) 11:18, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Ed East (August 23)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Alalch E. was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

The sources which are reliable, so not a blog or a forum or discogs, and contain potentially significant coverage (of something) predominantly cover the band/bands.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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—Alalch E. 00:42, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I find it hard to believe that a Rolling Stone article - which is a one-on-one interview with just this person - fails to establish notoriety. The article does talk about his band, but also about his studio work and solo projects. It is ridiculous that this is not sufficient for you. You have pages dedicated to far less established musicians littering your encyclopedia. Basically, one would need to have a front-page cover shot article to satsfy all the hoops you're expecting us to jump through. I want someone else to review this. Deadwaster (talk) 20:08, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]