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Just adding a few citations etc. As I see it's a grade I listed building you might want to add that in future since that instantly makes it clear the building's very notable.

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100 Quotes references

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Do you have references for the two footnotes you just added to AFI's 100 Years...100_Movie Quotes? I don't doubt their truth, but it would be good to have "official" references. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 05:06, 23 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

— Thanks for your input. I didn't want to overweight the reference page with what promised to be a long footnote in regard to the Wizard of Oz quotation (I had already referenced the New York Times anent the Yankee Doodle Dandy quotation), particularly as few of the footnotes seem to have given "official" references on that page. However, I have tried to address your concern by revising the Oz footnote to include a secondary source, which adds a certain amount of background. I hope this is satisfactory. Danhuser (talk) 06:53, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the changes. I have to admit I was looking at the diff text and not the formatted text when I made my comment and didn't see it as a footnote itself. Looks better. I'm a bit lost, however, from about how Baum was being ironic and the movie was not - as you imply. More curious than concerned about the text. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 14:42, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, John!

The passage that the editor of The Annotated Wizard of Oz, Michael Patrick Hearn, was elucidating appears on page 76 of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz. In Chapter IV., “The Road through the Forest,” Baum relates the following dialogue between Dorothy and the Scarecrow:

“ ‘I cannot understand why you should wish to leave this beautiful country and go back to the dry, gray place you call Kansas.’

“ ‘That is because you have no brains,’ answered the girl. ‘No matter how dreary and gray our homes are, we people of flesh and blood would rather live there than in any other country, be it ever so beautiful. There is no place like home.’

“The Scarecrow sighed.

“ ‘Of course I cannot understand it,’ he said. ‘If your heads were stuffed with straw, like mine, you would probably all live in the beautiful places, and then Kansas would have no people at all. It is fortunate for Kansas that you have brains.’”

Hearn’s full note on the passage (which appears on the following page) reads,

“Be it ever so beautiful. There is no place like home.: Baum appears to be playing with the famous sentiment of John Howard Payne's 1823 song, ‘Home, Sweet Home’: ‘Be it ever so humble, there's no place like home.’ Baum made a bad pun of this song in The Emerald City of Oz (1910) by calling a march played in the Tin Woodman’s honor ‘There’s No Plate Like Tin’ (p. 250). Baum's irony was apparently lost on the makers of the famous movie. Arthur Freed, assistant to the producer Mervyn LeRoy, was responsible for making ‘There's No Place Like Home’ the theme of the 1939 MGM picture. He argued that ‘Dorothy is only motivated by one object in Oz; that is, to get back home to her Aunt Em, and every situation should be related to this main drive.’ He was adamant that Dorothy repeat ‘There's No Place Like Home’ when she clicks her heels together three times. ‘The major fault we found [in the picture],’ complained Howard Rushmore in The Daily Worker (August 18, 1939), ‘was the weak climax with the too obvious moral that little boys and girls should never leave their backyards; a moral that falls a trifle flat for no tot (or adult) doesn’t wish for at least a roundtrip ticket to the land of Oz after seeing how attractive Mervyn LeRoy has made it.’ Salman Rushdie agreed. In his monograph on the picture, he argued that this ‘cutesy slogan’ ‘is the least convincing idea in the film (it’s one thing for Dorothy to want to get home, quite another that she can only do so by eulogizing the ideal state which Kansas so obviously is not)’ (p. 14). But home is not the landscape but a condition. Margaret Hamilton, who played the Wicked Witch of the West, defined it in ‘There’s No Place Like Oz’ (Children’s Literature, vol. 10, 1982) as ‘the place where we belong, where we are welcome, where there is love and understanding and acceptance waiting for us when we come. Home, where we can shed our cares and share our troubles and feel safe and protected.’”

Faced with including this Behemoth of text (“monstrum horrendum, informe, ingens”) in the footnotes, I carved the fat off it ruthlessly, adding one or two clarifying phrases and hoping that the general reader’s memory of sepia-toned Kansas vs. polychromatic Oz would be enough to suggest the irony that Baum originally intended and that Arthur Freed eschewed. Danhuser (talk) 00:55, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! Thank you sir! I agree that would be a bit much for the footnote of a footnote! And thank you for satisfying my curiosity. Much appreciated! --John (User:Jwy/talk) 04:08, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Concerning Beor

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Thank you again for that massive edit sweep on the Harmonquest page. All very constructive additions. I have, however, been wondering about your source for Beor's name spelling. I've read VRV character descriptions that spell her name as "Beur" more than once. But then again, VRV has spelled things wrong before as you pointed out with "Durnam" and "Manoah". Just wondering if this is a sourced spelling or if we both just have to go on guessing.

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Unfortunately, "Beor" for "Beur" is not directly sourced; it was my choice of the two spellings that appeared on the page before I edited it. The place-names appeared on the map shown on the show, of course, but I haven't myself seen any official character lists. Two versions of the name appeared on the page before I edited it, and, thinking it would be better to regularize the spelling pending better information, I just chose the one that I happened to think sounded more like what I have heard on the show. Danhuser (talk) 13:11, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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