User talk:D4n2elle/BrickLaneMarket

Topic: why should this be a Wikipedia article?

This article already exists, but is only a few sentences long. We believe we can expand upon this article because it is an integral part to the culture of London, particularly in the East End. Many native Londoners visit this market and there are a variety of sources with which to write our article.

Excellent justification of this topic - being an important cultural enclave in London and the fact that the current article is very short. LeshedInstructor (talk) 00:53, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Article sections

What sections are you planning to write? How do you make sure the article is comprehensive and feasible within the time frame and resources you have?
The sections we are planning to write are as follows:

• Introduction
• The history of the Truman Markets
• Nearby attractions
• Vendors
• Cultural appeal
• Navigation/layout of the market
• The Truman Markets in popular culture

There is a good amount of information on our topic and we could take the article in several different directions because the market is a "big" thing in London.

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The Sunday UpMarket, one of the five markets comprising the Truman Markets. Introduction The Truman Markets, more commonly known by the colloquialism Brick Lane Market, is a London marketplace centered around Brick Lane, Tower Hamlets. It inhabits in the historic 11-acre venue Old Truman Brewery. It is located at the northern end of Brick Lane and along Cheshire Street in the heart of East London's Bangladeshi community. The Truman Markets are composed of five markets: the Boiler House Food Hall, the Tea Rooms, the Backyard Market, the Sunday UpMarket, and the Vintage Market. The Boiler House Food Hall, open every Sunday from 11am to 6pm, is located in the Old Truman Brewery's Boiler House and houses a diverse selection of food stalls ranging from Japanese and Mexican to Peruvian and Carribean-Asian fusion in its 7,700 square feet of space. The Tea Rooms, open Saturdays from 11am to 6pm and Sundays from 10am to 5pm, is a market named for its large selection of teas and coffees as well as antiques, silk cushions, and traditional baked goods. The Sunday UpMarket, open every Sunday 10am from to 5pm, is housed in the Old Truman Brewery's Ely's Yard (just off Hanbury Street), an old service yard and one of East London's busiest roadways. Ely's Yard also hosts many events and holds other shops, bars, restaurants, and artwork by the prominent street artists Banksy and D*Face. The Backyard Market, operating by the same hours as the Tea Rooms, is located in the Brewery's U Block, on the east side of the Brewery's estate. Lastly, the Vintage Market is open not only on Sunday from 10am to 5pm, but also both Fridays and Saturdays from 11am to 6pm. The Truman Markets are located in close proximity to several other landmarks, including the Old Truman Brewery and Old Spitalfields Market. The closest London Underground stations are Aldgate East and Liverpool Street. The London Overground Shoreditch High Street station is also within walking distance. D4n2elle (talk) 01:40, 3 October 2012 (UTC) The history of the Truman Markets Early history The Truman Markets originally developed in the 17th century as a lone farmers' market that was held on Sundays due to religious observances by the area's then-prolific Jewish community. During the 20th century, the Brick Lane area experienced an influx of Bangladeshi immigrants who transformed the marketplace. Even today, Brick Lane is very famous for its curry houses. Handmade jewelry at the Sunday UpMarket. Unique clothing and accessory designs at the Sunday UpMarket. Elementry Lamps at the Sunday UpMarket Mexican-Chinese fusion food stall at the Boiler House Food Hall in the Truman Markets. Japanese food stall at the Boiler House Food Hall in the Truman Markets. The modern Truman Markets The modern Truman markets are composed of five different markets, all opened at different times in the past decade. The Sunday UpMarket, opened in 2004, and has over 200 stalls that sell a variety of food, fashion accessories, crafts, clothing, and more. Many of the stalls are independently-run and offer one-of-a-kind or handmade items that have been manufactured by the stall owners. The Backyard Market was added later, in 2006. Formerly a warehouse, it is now a bustling market with over 100 stalls and 8,000 square feet of open space housing these stalls. The Backyard Market offers an eclectic mix of independent businesses and retail outlets, such as cafes, boutiques, and hair salons that cater to a diverse clientele, with a special emphasis onarts and crafts. The Tea Rooms, founded in 2009, have a great range of stalls offering a variety of teas, coffees, baked goods, furniture, antique goods, collectibles, handmade goods, inspiring homewares, and more. The Boiler House Food Hall, founded in 2010, holds numerous food stalls which with a diverse selection of cuisines ranging from Japanese and Lithuanian to Mexican and Caribbean-Asian fusion. Food is available freshly-made right in front of your or prepared same-day at reasonable prices and portions. The Vintage Market is composed of stalls owned by British and European vintage specialists and offering old clothes ranging from the early 1920s to the 1990s. Also offered are accessories, vintage records, and a random collection of unique old trinkets. The Truman Markets were previously well-known for selling stolen bikes. However, following a crackdown by London's Metropolitan Police Service in September 2010, the problem of stealing and selling bikes decreased significantly. The Metropolian Police Service developed a Cycle Task Force in June 2012 and by February 2011, they had administered protective security marks to over 10,000 bikes and made over 100 bike-theft-related arrests. D4n2elle (talk) 01:40, 3 October 2012 (UTC) Nearby Attractions Christ Church Spitalfields: A restored church built in 1729, the Christ Church is only a short walk from the Truman Markets. Currently, it serves as a art gallery and concert hall, and is regarded as a mecca of the arts in London. Columbia Road Flower Market: Established in 1869, this now famous gathering of gardeners began as a Saturday trading market. After the Jewish population began to grow, the market moved to Sunday and primarily serviced the local neighborhood of homes with gardens. Now, the flower market is internationally-known and is accompanied by a number of shops that add to the thriving market atmosphere. Whitechapel: An art gallery that is renowned for its community involvement, the Whitechapel is one of the first publically funded galleries in London. It has showcased work by Pablo Picasso, Jackson Pollack, Mark Rothko, and Frida Kahlo, as well as contemporary artists like Sophie Calle, Lucien Freud, Gilbert & George, and Mark Wallinger. The Whitechapel also prizes art education, offering youth programs and family-friendly art classes. Accordingly, the gallery’s stated purpose is to “bring modern and contemporary art and ideas to local, national, and international audiences by providing a place for free-thinking, creativity, and learning.” Old Truman Brewery: Once one of London’s largest breweries, the Old Truman Brewery is now home to roughly 250 businesses, shops, and eateries. In addition, it features several weekly markets, including the Sunday UpMarket, the Vintage Market, the Backyard Market, the Tea Rooms, and the Boiler House Food Hall. Known for its urban architecture, the Old Truman Brewery is often the subject of photography. It is has also served as a host to photographers exhibiting their work. The Gherkin: Opened in 2004, this eye-catching glass building, formally known as 30 St Mary Ave, was designed by Norman Foster. It stands 180 meters tall and is composed of 24,000 square meters of glass. Maximizing natural light penetration and reducing the use of artificial lighting, the Gherkin’s aerodynamic shape also capitalizes on wind pressure differentials to produce natural ventilation. This unique architecture has, however, been called phallic despite the many awards it has earned. At the ground floor, the public can access a plaza with outdoor seating and restaurant service. Finsbury Circus: London’s oldest public park, dating back to 1606, is a common recreation area that is known for its well-maintained grounds. Originally, it was part of the Finsbury Manor, which consisted of several homes for wealthy inhabitants. When the Manor transitioned into a series of office buildings, the garden was opened to the public and is now a hotspot for employees on their lunch hour. Due to its age, it is of great importance to the English Heritage Society. Joey236 (talk) 20:17, 29 September 2012 (UTC) Layout of Market The Sunday UpMarket, the Vintage Market, the Backyard Market, and Tea Rooms and the Boiler House Food Hall are all located within the confines of the Old Truman Brewery on Brick Lane. More specifically, Sunday UpMarket is found at the intersection of Brick Lane and Hanbury Street. The Backyard Market is situated further up Brick Lane between Dray Walk and Buxton/Quacker Street. Joey236 (talk) 22:49, 2 October 2012 (UTC) Vendors/Markets The Backyard Market The Backyard Market was established in 2006 and is one of the Truman Markets’ youngest vendors. Housing over eighty stalls, The Backyard Market is unique in that it allows young artists and designers to be part of a creative community in which they have the opportunity to showcase their work and to sell unique arts and crafts. The Backyard Market was the first of its kind in the area to open on Saturdays. The Boiler House Dating as far back as the 1830’s, the Old Truman Brewery’s Boiler House serves as both a historical landmark and the site of Brick Lane’s food Hall. Visitors are allowed to dine outside in the beer garden, or be seated inside around the great chimney at the lounge bar. The Boiler House is home to over thirty stalls of international cuisine; each housing a variety of dishes ranging from Italian or Polish delicacies to Japanese or Mediterranean dishes. The Sunday UpMarket The Sunday UpMarket first opened in September of 2004. They have over one-hundred forty stalls and sell a variety of products including vintage and handmade clothing, handmade accessories, music, arts and crafts, and organic food. Many of the items that are sold at UpMarket are one-of-a-kind items that are produced by the stallholders themselves. Stallholders frequently sell their products directly to the customers, as UpMarket is a self-reported “platform for emerging designers and organic cuisine” Rosie Wonders - No longer located at the Sunday UpMarket, the Rosie Wonders stall was known for their handmade greetings cards, jewellery, and prints. Charme Accessories - A stall that specializes in handmade silver and semi precious jewellery. SPDR - A stall that sells Urban clothing. Suda Jones/2T - A stall that produces products made entirely out of rubber. Art of Revolution - A stall that sells authentic Soviet and Cuban revolutionary era art. East End Prints - A stall that sells graphic art prints featuring artwork from thirty designers, artists, and illustrators. Vault Vinyl - A stall that sells rare and hard to find vinyls ranging from Jazz to Hip Hop music. The Tea Rooms “The Tea Rooms” is a coffee shop located off of Brick Lane. Located downstairs, underneath the main cafe, is a vintage clothing and accessories store that specializes in antiques and homeware. The Vintage Market The Vintage Market is frequented by vintage clothing specialists from across Europe and the UK who want to show off and sell their wares. References

Other article elements

What other elements are you going to put in the article - side box, images, etc.? Where are you going to obtain the images or information for the side box?
One of our group members, Danielle (D4n2elle), has taken pictures of the market first-hand. We will upload these photos to Wikimedia and use them in our article as appropriate. We can also do a side box that gives general information, such as when the market was founded, where it is, etc.

It is fantastic that you have first hand photographs that you can upload to the Wikimedia Commons. If you are putting up a side box, try to find out similar side boxes about famous locations and follow their structure. LeshedInstructor (talk) 00:57, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Initial list of 5 different sources for your article (e.g., not all from the same website)
http://bricklane-e1.co.uk/brick-lane-markets/
http://www.sundayupmarket.co.uk/index.html
http://www.timeout.com/london/shopping/features/8802/Brick_Lane_Market_guide.html
http://www.yelp.com/biz/brick-lane-and-market-london
http://lydall.standard.co.uk/2010/12/stolen-bikes-no-longer-on-the-menu-at-brick-lane.html

This is a good initial list. Please make sure that you reference list does not have Bare URLs. Also, try to find references that show the significance of this market and possibly some articles about its history and other sources of information for the sections you are planning to write. LeshedInstructor (talk) 00:59, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

I think some books on the history of London (probably with a focus on more modern-day) would have good resources. Travel books for London often include a section on Brick Lane. Quainiac (talk) 16:57, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion! Joey236 (talk) 16:17, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

This list of references looks really good, and I think it will be really good that you're using the pictures that Danielle has of the market. Additionally, you may consider looking at travel blogs etc for more pictures, perhaps if they have seasonal changes, or if it's changed over time Jrb374 (talk) 02:10, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Situating the article within the Wikipedia community

What other articles does it link to/from? Is it part of a WikiProject? Are there specific individuals in Wikipedia you will seek help from on this article?
It can link to/from Brick Lane, East End of London, the nearby attractions, London, England, Liverpool Street tube station, Aldgate East tube station, and possibly more. It is part of three Wikiprojects, WikiProject London, WikiProject UK Roads, and WikiProject England, but it is a stub in all of them. We will not be seeking help from any other Wikipedians.

How is Brick Lane Market related to Brick Lane? The article about Brick Lane is more extensive, and if you look into its talk page you will see some discussions that you might need to be aware of in writing your own article. For example, whether to use the term Bengali and Bangladeshi, and being careful not to get into controversial UK political issues such as minorities' status.

Also, why won't you be seeking help from other Wikipedians? Doing so will greatly improve your article. LeshedInstructor (talk) 01:05, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if there are many Wikipedians who will be able to help because looking at the talk page for Brick Lane Market, there are only a few comments from 2005 and 2008 and the Brick Lane talk page is similar, but we will try to find Wikipedians willing to help if possible. D4n2elle (talk) 22:10, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Links to articles about the Spitalfields Market could also be useful (they blend into each other in places.) Quainiac (talk) 16:58, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Division of labor

What will each group member do?

• Danielle will do the introduction, history of the Truman Markets, and cultural appeal.
• Joey will do the nearby attractions and navigation/layout of the market
• Trey will do the vendors and the Truman Markets in popular culture. D4n2elle (talk) 22:10, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough, but you need to be more specific, even if the division of labor is likely to change once you start working on the article. LeshedInstructor (talk) 01:06, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Instructor's Feedback

You have a great topic that is well justified and very good ideas of how to expand this article. Along with a wealth of sources, you will likely end with a very good article. I put specific comments in the sections above. As you see, I moved all your discussions to the talk page - this is where discussions about what goes into the article should be, not in the article itself (even if the article is under your user space). LeshedInstructor (talk) 01:12, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Others' feedback

This looks pretty good. Note that Wikipedia articles should not have a section "introduction". Instead, they have a lead section that summarizes the rest of the article (which means it should not introduce new information). Please make sure your article follows that style. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:55, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Not a bad start. One aspect that concerns me a little is that it's very heavy on primary sources - a lot of the information about individual tenants and companies is sourced to their own websites, or to the company who operate the market, etc. The markets are quite prominent, and it should be possible to find secondary sources discussing them. (I'm glad to see the LRB article, for example - admittedly it's sourcing a minor point, but it's the sort of external source you want)

From a historical angle, was there any modern Brick Lane market as such pre-2004? The outline is quite vague, but articles such as this suggest there was something there in the 1980s. (I don't know the area very well) It's also not clear why these modern markets opened - spillover from Spitalfields? Andrew Gray (talk) 21:54, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Group Communication

Hey guys, so I posted to the stub's talk page so that it won't be abrupt when we add our content. Did anyone try to get in touch with other users? Joey236 (talk) 19:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC) -Update: I've posted to a handful of user talk pages that have edited London-related articles Joey236 (talk) 21:15, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey, so here's a link to the layout of the market you can use for the layout section, just describe the streets etc. http://www.sundayupmarket.co.uk/map.html Also, don't put in the author for things without an author, just cite it with the little templates button at the top of this edit box. D4n2elle (talk) 23:19, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Joey236 (talk) 23:21, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Edited a bunch of stuff to reflect the Truman Markets thing. Also, not sure how substantial the cultural appeal section may be so I've done the introduction myself in place of that and may omit it after finishing my edits on the intro and history. Have to see if it is viable afterward. D4n2elle (talk) 01:28, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey guys, so I think we should rename the vendors to "Markets", because that's what they refer to themselves as. Thoughts? ItsPbjTime (talk) 03:20, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Maybe Markets and Vendors would be good, because we're doing the specific markets and then the separate vendors/stalls within them. By the way, check out this Yelp and the link to the official website is on there- that's a cafe in the Tea Rooms. D4n2elle (talk) 06:00, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Here's the articles page User:Joey236/Truman Markets Joey236 (talk) 01:07, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Final Article Posted

Final page up and running here! D4n2elle (talk) 02:25, 4 October 2012 (UTC)