User talk:D3innovation

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Speedy deletion of Adaptive Audio

A tag has been placed on Adaptive Audio, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as the Wikipedia:Business' FAQ for more information.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. TrulyBlue (talk) 19:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to post at WP:N?

Here is the deletion log entry for Adaptive Audio. As you can see, it was deleted by User:NawlinWiki under criterion for speedy deletion A7, as an article about a group/company/etc. that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant. If you recreate the article, you should make sure you explain clearly why Adaptive Audio is important enough to have an encyclopedia article. That way the article won't get speedied; to ensure it doesn't get deleted in some non-speedy way, you should also read the Notability guideline, and make sure the article demonstrates that Adaptive Audio is notable as the term is defined there. As for retrieving the deleted version of the page to work from, any admin (I'm not one) can do that, but it's normally considered polite to ask the deleting admin. You can post him a message here. Algebraist 19:47, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you have a business interest in Adaptive Audio then see also Wikipedia:FAQ/Business. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've recovered the text for you and put it at User:D3innovation/Adaptive Audio. Please do heed Algebraist's suggestions above before considering recreating the article. -- Natalya 21:11, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Adaptive Audio article

Asking the opinions of others is a great way to deal with these issues, and I commend you for wanting to improve the article to Wikipedia's standards. I do think Calltech does bring up some good points, and hopefully with clarification, the article can be improved. Your example of Microsoft Outlook gives me a good example: Microsoft Outlook is an article about a specific program, while E-mail client is an article about a type of application (or which Microsoft Outlook) is one. In Adaptive audio, are you attempting to write a general or more specific type of article? Calltech's concerns seemed to be that the article was being both general and specific; if specific, the reason for discussing only Interactive Digital's "Adaptive Audio" technology would need to follow Wikipedia's notability guidelines. If you were being more general, and discussing a wide range of technology termed "Adaptive Audio", then you should be sure to edit in a neutral light, not giving Interactive Digital's (or anyones) technology precidence. -- Natalya 19:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification; I now clearly understand your goal. Assuming that you are somehow affiliated with Adaptive Audio, you are right to be concerned about conflicts of interest. The section that will probably help you the most in this situation is Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#How_to_avoid_COI_edits. In general, if one can avoid editing articles that cause conflicts of interest, that is usually suggested. However, there are suggestions of ways to avoid conflicts of interest is such editing must occur. You have been really good about being sure to do things properly, so I have faith you'll be able to take care of this too. One of the good suggestions at that page is to suggest/discuss any changed on the article's talk page before making any of them, so that you and other editors can make sure that there is no conflict of interest. Perhaps you could ask Calltech (and/or others) to help you in your editing of the page? Good luck, -- Natalya 00:00, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Writing an article about a company or product that you are affiliated with, particularly when you are the only contributor, raises a red flag at WP WP:COI and WP:SPAM. These types of articles are removed far more often than kept, unless there is a exceptional reason. That's why users who have this conflict are asked to refrain from such contributions. It would be better to get an unbiased third party to write it. Calltech (talk) 01:59, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think there may be an exceptional reason here. Adaptive Audio is similar to the Microsoft Outlook article in that they are both software product articles. They are different however, in that Outlook is just Microsoft's version of an email client. Mac Mail is another. Also, anyone that uses email would be familiar with one of these clients and could write an article independently about it. Finally, the fundamental email client program is not patented. None of these points are true with Adaptive Audio. There is a patent and patents pending, the software is not a version of something that was done before and it is not easy for someone to pick up a copy and play with it as they could Outlook or Mail. Finally, and importantly I think, I know of no way someone would understand and write about "Preemptive Transfer Alerts" or "Best Modality Signaling" or "Adaptive Timeout Control" for example, without actually knowing this valuable, novel and specialized technology.

I sincerely hope the Adaptive Article is not deleted for these reasons. I have made every effort to reach out to the editors at Wikipedia to ask for help in writing this, but will not be surprised if i do not get a response - I simply do not know how else to get this information across. I read the COI and Notability guidelines and strived to give just the facts on how the technology works to share it with the community. I have also cited independent references at the bottom of the article in an effort to further support Notability and eliminate COI.

D3innovation (talk) 14:43, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is, you (as an affiliate of this organization) cannot be the judge of whether Adaptive Audio meets this exceptional criteria. Virtually everyone who has attempted to promote their own product or organization uses this argument. There are many good products and companies that are not listed under Wikipedia. If you look at the contribution list of Microsoft Outlook, you will see numerous contributors with both pro and con positions which fits the WP model. If no one else contributes to your article (or its contributors are WP:SPA single purpose accounts), that only reinforces that the product (no matter how good it is) does not meet WP notability guidelines.

This guideline has been one of the cornerstones of WP and the WP:SPAM group was formed to stop individuals from promoting their own companies, products, etc. You have been acting in good faith by attempting to seek out other user input, but I have to give you my honest opinion here.

As a further comment, if Adaptive Audio becomes a company product article and passes mustard with the WP community, links to it MUST be removed from many of the articles where it currently is listed in See Also sections. WP:SPAM is clear on this guideline. You should note that there are NO commercial links to many of these articles (such as IVR), only links to articles about generic terms and information. If you review the history of the IVR article, you will note that many attempts have been made to link commercial products here and ALL have been removed to eliminate any form of bias or promotion of a particular product or entity. Calltech (talk) 20:24, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I've removed links to websites that are promoting products where there is a conflict of interest with the contributing user. The correct way of adding any links to a site where you have a conflict is to post the links on the article's talk page and explain why they should be linked. If a consenus of non-affiliated users is reached to add the links, then let another who has no conflict of interest add them.

Another user suggested above that you read Wikipedia:FAQ/Business. The very first FAQ states clearly that individuals cannot advertise or promote their own businesses (or companies they are affiliated with) on WP.Calltech (talk) 03:05, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have read and appreciate your comments. I have read the references you cite above and am getting better at understanding the WP guidelines. I added three suggestions to the Article Talk page in the hope of having some participation by other, non-affiliated editors at Wikipedia as you recommend. Can you tell me if my simply posting to the Talk page as such is the correct way to do this? How does the fact that the Talk page has changes get out to the editing community? Thanks. D3innovation (talk) 13:13, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can place {{Request edit}} on the talk page to add it to Category:Requested edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:48, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A few tips

If I were you, I'd stop editing Adaptive Audio and anything related to it for a good amount of time. Basically, give yourself some time to learn your way around Wikipedia in genera. Editing against a WP:COI is very difficult and is not a good way to learn proper editing.

You might want to read User:WLU/Generic_sandbox. It's a good essay about getting started here.

Learn about proper sourcing and the major policies and guidelines.

Ask questions.

Good luck! --Ronz (talk) 21:25, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ronz! I truly appreciate the advice and have already posted references to the Talk page per your suggestion there. I will take your advice and refrain from touching the Adaptive Audio article for a good amount of time. Should I also refrain from editing the Talk page, or is that okay to do?

D3innovation (talk) 04:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Contributing to the article talk page is the recommended way of participating in an article when you have a coi, so please continue there. --Ronz (talk) 17:51, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of Adaptive Audio

A tag has been placed on Adaptive Audio requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Calltech (talk) 12:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked

This account has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia, because it has been identified as an account used for promotion of a company or group, with a username that implies that this has been done by that company or group. See Wikipedia:Business' FAQ and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest.

This kind of activity is considered spamming and is forbidden by Wikipedia policies. In addition, the use of a username like yours violates our username policy.

You may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below or emailing the administrator who blocked you.

Your reason should include your response to this issue and a new username you wish to adopt that does not violate our username policy (specifically, understand that accounts are for individuals, not companies or groups, and that your username should reflect this). Usernames that have already been taken are listed here.

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

D3innovation (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Is it the actual name d3innovation that you want me to change? I am NOT spamming and am trying to have a dialogue on the article that was deleted earlier today. Should I pick a new name and re-register? Please advise.

Decline reason:

Yes, and yes. See our username policy for guidance. — Daniel Case (talk) 22:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Will do. Is there a way to change the user name on the existing account? If not, what happens to my edits and contributions under the original name? D3innovation (talk) 13:59, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can ask to be unblocked in order to make a username change, by placing {{unblock-un|your new user name}} on this page. All your edits will be preserved and re-attributed to the new name. However, it would be less hassle-free to create a new account instead, which is what I advise you to do. Pegasus «C¦T» 15:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]