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Hi Js82. I received your email. I suggest you post an unblock notice here so that it gets the proper scrutiny. My suggestion is that you be brief, acknowledge your mistakes, try not to blame others (though a simple statement that your main problems were with MSW and it turns out they were socking is ok - couple of sentences should be appropriate), and demonstrate your good faith by offering some restrictions on your own (examples: sticking to 1RR, not cast aspersions on other editors). I'd like to see what other admins/editors have to say. Best wishes. --regentspark (comment) 20:25, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

CushionMail (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I apologize for the pointy post a few of months ago that got me blocked. My main problems all this while were with MSW, who it turns out was a sock. I do apologize for any other posts (unrelated to MSW) that were not in accordance with WP policies. As suggested by RP, I agree with a 1RR policy on all my edits (which I assume is just a modification of 3RR, with 3--> 1), and not to cast aspersions on other editors. I never actually doubted the intentions of any of the other editors here (except of course MSW) and I do truly believe everyone else is editing in good faith here, so I'm sure I will not run into any issues. Thank you.

Accept reason:

per email discussion w/ RP mentioned above. 2nd chance issues seem resolved. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 04:04, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia again

Not that I have ever interacted with you, but your contributions used to appear on my watchlist. I can see potential following the recent events as well as your convincing unblock request.

I am not sure if your topic ban still exists. Editors are required to be notified about topic ban and I have only found[1] a temporary sanction.

There are many other topics that needs your attention. For example, do you think if this edit (not by you) is constructive? You can contribute a lot without any issues. After a few months (I guess 3-6 months) you can request removal of these sanctions. You are really capable of that.

Once again, welcome back! Capitals00 (talk) 05:42, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Capitals, thanks a lot for your note and suggestions. I really appreciate it !. Let's see how things evolve here. Wishing you the best Js82 (talk) 06:53, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

topic ban

on Sikh related articles remains in effect. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 04:08, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

And of course, no WP:SOCKing -- Dlohcierekim (talk)

@Ponyo, SpacemanSpiff, and Bbb23: in case I jumped the gun by unblocking. May reblock w/o discussion if I erred. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 04:13, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Dlohcierekim. However, from the note by RP, I don't think he wanted the topic ban on Sikh articles to remain. Only restriction he mentioned is 1RR, which I accept. Note that the topic ban was imposed a long while ago, and the main reason even then was issues with MSW. It should no longer be valid now - MSW has been proven to be a sock, and several editors confirmed the same problematic behavior that I pointed out so early. Just that I did not have the energy to keep going on, lost my composure, and was blocked. RP, please comment. Js82 (talk) 04:51, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Just being thorough. I cannot rescind the topic ban on my own. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 05:04, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Understood. Thanks Js82 (talk) 07:19, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

@RegentsPark: I interpret the TBAN as still in effect. Please let us know if this is not the case. Cheers, -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 05:12, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

And I suggest we keep it in place. MSW is not the problem here, but Js82. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:12, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm tired. I'm slow. It took all night to understand "MSW". -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 10:27, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm astonished. In any case, I think you were told to stay off my talk page. So please comply, unless policy allows you to comment here despite my previous request. And if policy does not allow it, please apologize. @RP, I'm not really interested in going through this back and forth. If even after what all has transpired with MSW/AVC multi-year socking, I still need to justify anything, I would rather not get involved. You said 1RR, and I accepted it. I leave the rest to you: If you will still support the topic ban, then that's it for me - I will never come back. Thank you. Js82 (talk) 06:34, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

@ RP, Dlohcierekim : Let me just add this briefly: Editors here are routinely seen reverting the contributions made by those ultimately found to be sock puppeteers, regardless of what debate went on at the time the contributions were being made. Here, I was sanctioned because it was deemed that I could not collaborate with MSW, now proven to be a multi-year sock puppeteer. So there should be nothing wrong in removing the ban and restoring full editing privileges. Even then, I respect your judgment (always have) and accept 1 RR restriction without question. Thank you. Js82 (talk) 09:27, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

I emailed RP. He knows more than I. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 06:59, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

I here what you are saying. I just don't want to say it's finished and find out I overstepped myself. I am inclined to say "yes", but cannot afford to be wrong. Eventually, RP will be back and will add more. Where did the TBAN come from? Was it by ArbCom, ANI, or an individual admin? In any event, it is probably appealable at this juncture. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 09:32, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Dlohcierekim. I understand and would also wait for comment from RP. (Just inserted some arguments here in the meantime for completion). The sanction was originally imposed in late 2015, by an individual admin. They felt that "enough was enough" after some final talk page debate between myself and MSW. In late 2016, when I tried a comeback, RP suggested that I still accept a topic ban, which I did. And that's what we are discussing now in early 2018. Js82 (talk) 09:59, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Hey, @SpacemanSpiff:! I think you imposed the original TBAN. Seeking to end the TBAN. Cheers, -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 10:33, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

SpacemanSpiff seems to be away (no edits for few days). In any case, I did want to acknowledge that during my very early days (even before running into MSW), I did have disagreements with SpacemanSpiff. It was mostly borne out of mistrust, and mine being a new editor. Over time, I have come to better understand, trust, and respect all admins here (given the intense vetting procedure they have to go through), and this includes SpacemanSpiff. And as I said in my original unblock request above, over time, I have also truly come to believe that (almost) all the editors I have interacted with in the past do edit in good faith. Js82 (talk) 11:10, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Spacemanspiff hadn't imposed this topic ban. Ponyo and RegentsPark did it. We have already pinged RegentsPark, we can ping Ponyo per this discussion. Capitals00 (talk) 11:18, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

That's actually correct. SpacemanSpiff had imposed the original six months ARBIPA Sanction in late 2015. The Sikhism topic ban was per RP's advice when I came back late 2016. Thanks. Js82 (talk) 11:22, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

• To be honest, I wasn't expecting such a speedy unblock but perhaps this is better! I think we can waive the topic ban for now. Js82, you should keep in mind that (1) you don't have carte blanche to undo MSW's edits, and (2) you will be on a very short leash so be extra careful how you edit. My best advice to you is that you try to spread your edits so that Sikhism related edits are a smaller part of what you do out here. If you don't do that, more likely than not you'll end up in the same situation, this time with no avenue to return. Also, try to be patient. This sort of comment is a step down the rabbit hole. If you find yourself getting het up about something, stay away for a bit and see if things sort themselves out. The distance of time is a very valuable thing. --regentspark (comment) 13:50, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

• Js82 this is best you can have for now. Whenever you find it hard, you can raise issues on talk page and ping me or notify Wikipedia:WikiProject Sikhism when you think that there are no chances of getting help. I think you should also edit articles like Sikhism in Australia. Capitals00 (talk) 14:05, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks RP, Capitals. Js82 (talk) 08:00, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

No problem

sorry it did not work out,--Dlohcierekim (talk) 18:26, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Got your email and sorry it didn't work out. The one clear lesson on Wikipedia is that socking usually catches up with an editor sooner or later so, perhaps, it would have been better if you had admitted to the socks when your unblock was being discussed and waited another few months before being unblocked. Still, I appreciate the alacrity with which you took responsibility of your actions, very commendable. Good luck with rl. --regentspark (comment) 19:25, 19 April 2018 (UTC)