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Need help finding a discussion

Checkingfax I saw that the article "Hispania Baetica" had been changed (moved) to Baetica, and I spent several minutes trying to find the discussion. I'm just interested in learning why it was changed. Can you help me find the discussion? Also, did you see other places in the sections just above this in which I pinged you?  – Corinne (talk) 17:45, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Corinne. There is a special admin board to request page moves that you cannot do yourself. There is a section for non-controversial and for controversial and even a section for removing the comma from article names that contain a comma before Jr. or Sr. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 18:45, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Corinne. Vvven is the editor that moved the page. It was a non-admin move. Here is one page where folks request moves. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 20:48, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

June 2016 Guild of Copy Editors Newsletter

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:01, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne

I answered in my talk page. Other thing, i fast checked your page that realized that you have a fan of wikipedia good looking images, and you are a adminstrator able to make a lot of things. i uploaed a very lot of historic Spaniard images, always trying to upload correctly. if you like the History, surely youll like this image, but not probably that i spend so much waste time, so i to youll check it please, and help to make some images as featured. here is the link of that images (oh i feel worry too cuz almost nobody chekced that images, i hope you help me and not erase these, please try to not erase help that these image are is very important to ts articles, cuz are articles of buildings that are not existing today, or buildings very transformed, or articles on topics very little knowns that require image to have a clear idea on what is talking) images uploaded. i also made its respective articles in english wikipedia, in my page are--Vvven (talk) 04:21, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Vvven Wow! Those are great images! I should say right off that I am not an administrator. I'm just a regular editor who spends most of my time copy-editing articles. I'm also not an expert on images. I just select ones that I like to add to my user page. For a while, I did participate at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates, but I found that there were so many other editors who obviously knew more than I did about what constitutes an excellent image, that I stopped participating. However, if you know something about images, you might like to participate there in selecting featured images. I still have to read your reply to my question about Baetica, and thanks for replying.  – Corinne (talk) 04:29, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Vvven I just discovered that I had not provided the link that I meant to provide. I just corrected it. It's Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates.  – Corinne (talk) 04:36, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Well thanks, i am bit glad you like its. Very little people know this articles, i am not doing advert but i would like haha, i enumerated many these articles in one list, but of specific buildings very modified or most demolished, i made this mainly cuz i want that Spain make like half of European countries noting Germany, Poland, or in old towns Portugal and rebuilt these great buildings that make more beautiful the cities and as in fact as all these cities were just a century ago, that i think dont quit history but add. but i am very alone with my idea, cuz Spaniard people dont care about that, dont think far mature as the Grmany on that topic, or has more important to do. This is the list that i making, has most of building that i create in wikipedia, and i will make more: List of missing landmarks in Spain :)))--Vvven (talk) 04:40, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

If you want to do it, link on each building article!, i starting making other from city of Granada and Burgos but these are existing buildings, adding the same historic paintings or drawings, and details making very complete--Vvven (talk) 04:46, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Its too much stupid by the wasted time, i dumby thinks the same, but well, that is the same with most other wikipediAn users, but i use the same time to make more important things, i think--Vvven (talk) 04:49, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Vvven Wow, that's a great list you've made, and you've written some good articles about the buildings. If I have time, I will read some of them and perhaps copy-edit them. You might be interested in looking at this article. Some time ago, I was helping the author or authors improve the prose. La Laguna Cathedral.  – Corinne (talk) 05:00, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

You left me crazy. You made it phenomenal hahaha. Yeah but the right thing hang out, i hang out some times, but i am very attached with my beliefs and that is my badly bad. i want to hang out to Spain haha, go to make many things on that country, but i live in a disastrous country, with incredibly for more i make i dont found future, and i perfectly could pass as an American or Spanish, or European, soi dont have poroble with that, cuz my resemblance with the regular people of those countries, but i feel a venezuelan above all, a venezuelan dying for be a european citizen, cuz the disaster here already give nasty, bad government, poverty and other things i see everyday--Vvven (talk) 05:11, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

And where are you from? :)--Vvven (talk) 05:20, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

You left very complete that article, i could add some tale /legend that is very common in Spanish culture, some that would linked with the buildin, i saw so many legends in Spanish websites, that people pass to people over centuries, that could richer much the article--Vvven (talk) 05:28, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Vvven. I think it might be of some benefit to you to read WP:What Wikipedia is not, especially these parts: WP:NOTEVERYTHING and WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK. We are here to build an encyclopedia. I wish you all the best, but since your command of the English language is still rudimentary, your efforts might be better spent on the Spanish Wikipedia. I appreciate your good will, though.  – Corinne (talk) 01:15, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Missing "Edit" in section headings

Checkingfax I just realized that the "Edit" is missing from all the section headings on my talk page. Can you figure out why they do not appear?  – Corinne (talk) 16:48, 7 June 2016 (UTC) Well, now I should add, missing from all the section headings but this one.  – Corinne (talk) 16:53, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

You are probably editing an old (not current) version. Anyway, that is my best guess. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:56, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts. How could I be editing a non-current version of my talk page?  – Corinne (talk) 16:59, 7 June 2016 (UTC) I cannot figure out how to type a ping to you.  – Corinne (talk) 17:00, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't know. I know that section edit showed up when I did this. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:44, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Corinne. 7&6 has an equals sign in their user name so you have to use a square brackets ping like this:

[[User:7&6=thirteen]]

or to use a ping template you have to escape the equals sign like this:

{{u|7&6{{=}} thirteen}}

I kid you not. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 18:37, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Checkingfax Wow! I'll try to remember that. What about my other question above that one, that 7&6 tried to answer?  – Corinne (talk) 18:44, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Corinne. No doubt you were looking at a Diff page and did not realize it. Happens to me all the time when I get pinged to Wikidata and then I want to make an edit. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 18:49, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Checkingfax Thank you, but I still don't understand. When I look at my own talk page, no "Edit" appears after the section heading in all but the last one or two sections.  – Corinne (talk) 18:57, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Corinne. When I answer pings or respond to emails I for some reason always choose to go to the view that will show me the changes in the page. Take a look at this Diff. You just pinged me to that and I landed on it when I picked show changes from my notification badge. Only the last three topics in the Diff have edit links.

You might also notice that if you scroll to the top of the Diff you will see this:

(→‎Need help formatting a block quote: reply)

However, the right facing arrow will be a blue hyperlink. If you click on the blue right facing arrow it will jump you down to the topic for the Diff and that section will have an edit link. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 20:32, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

I apologize for the ping problems. My user name is an artifact from an earlier time (like me) and I am aware of the problems, but choose to remain where I am. I've grown accustomed to my face. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:35, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Checkingfax I'm sorry, but again I don't follow you. When you say, "If you scroll to the top of the Diff you will see this:", are you referring to the "Diff" that appears in blue letters and which contains a link, a few lines above this, after "Take a look at this Diff"? If so, when I click on it, it doesn't say "Need help formatting a block quote: reply". In light gray, it says, "Missing "Edit" in section headings". Also, the only arrow I see is in "Next edit→", and if I click on it, it goes to the next diff. So, you can see I am quite confused.  – Corinne (talk) 03:55, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Corinne. I was referring to the top right of this Diff. You will see something link this:

(→Need help formatting a block quote: reply)
When you are at the top right of that Diff, click on the right-facing blue arrow that is a wikilink to the germane thread. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 06:50, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

I am sure that until yesterday the word "Edit" appeared after each section heading on my talk page. Now, for some reason, the word "Edit" appears after only the last one or two sections on the page. So, if I or any other editor wants to continue a discussion on one of those sections that has no "Edit" option, they have to click on "Edit" at the top of the page and scroll all the way down in the edit window. Can you fix this?  – Corinne (talk) 04:06, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Corinne. OK, now I only see the [Edit] link on the bottom six threads. You need to report this to WP:VPT and ask for help. If they fail, then report it to Phabricator. Phab is for bug reports, and this might be a bug. There is a Phab link at the Village Pump. When you get to Phab, you login by clicking on the yellow flower in the middle near the bottom of the page. Scroll down to the flower button. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 06:59, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

The problem seems to be in the sections immediately above this one. You could try trawling the wikimarkup, or just do some archiving? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 07:31, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for all the messing with your talk page. The problem, whatever it is, is definitely in the That - which section. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 07:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

 fixed, with this edit - the edit that broke it was this one. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:58, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Dweller and Checkingfax, for your help and ideas, and thank you, thank you, Redrose64 for discovering the cause of the problem and fixing it. I appreciate your help very much.  – Corinne (talk) 01:31, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Corinne. Redrose64 has a keen eye and always comes through. I looked right past that curly brace even with text highlighting on in wikEd. I am happy for you that it is fixed. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 02:10, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Leiden

Checkingfax I was just looking at this edit to Leiden, and while the change from "en" to "and" was of course correct, I wondered whether the article had an established variant of English. Considering that Leiden is in the Netherlands, I thought it made more sense that it would be in British English, but you never know. I searched for words (like "organise", "recognise", "honour", "colour", and "travelled") that would indicate British English but did not find any. However, the dates are in British format (day-month-year). I went back into the Revision History to look at early versions but couldn't figure out which English variant was used or where "the first version after the stub" was. Can you help me figure out which English variant the article is written in, and whether the change from "neighbouring" to "neighboring" was correct? How do you determine which early version of the article should establish the English variant?  – Corinne (talk) 03:41, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Corinne. After reviewing all the Dutch articles I could find in a quick search on Wikipedia I am confident that the dates should be European/military/police (dmy) and the English should be British. I will fix up that article. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 07:43, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Corinne. Also, I believe I detected centre and realise in the article. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 02:19, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Need help formatting a block quote

Checkingfax or any talk page stalker, I was just looking at the most recent edit to Saxons, and I saw a block quote in the Etymology section that I wanted to fix. Checkingfax explained to me a while back that it's best to use the template that looks like {{quote|Material being quoted.}}, but I forget what to add when there is a source right at the end. I wanted to change the hyphen to an en-dash and make sure the en-dash stays with the I.i.181, etc., preferably on a separate line.  – Corinne (talk) 17:05, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

{{quote|quote=put quoted text here without double quote marks here|source=put source of quote here}}

Leave the equal signs in place. Preview your work. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 17:19, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Corinne. If you want the quote to maintain its line break structure, you could do it like this:

{{quote|quote=<poem>Their names discover what their natures are,
More hard than stones, and yet not stones indeed.</poem>|source=I.i.181-2}}

Also, I notice you left out quote= and source=. That is "OK" but the template doc {{quote}} states it is "safer" to include quote= and source= to be sure the software does not get confused, as there are actually three parameters that can be used.

The poem HTML tag maintains line breaks in quotes, even if they are not an actual poem.

Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 02:17, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

The <poem>...</poem> construct looks like HTML, but it isn't - you won't find it anywhere in the HTML5 specification. It's actually a MediaWiki extension, see mw:Extension:Poem, and it principally works by adding an explicit <br /> tag at every newline except the last one. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:35, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Checkingfax Thank you for the additional information. I see you said that I should include the quote equals and the source equals, but I didn't have that in the list of templates (How to format a block quote) on my talk page. Should I add those? I also added some more of this to that list of templates on my talk page, but I'm not sure it looks very good. Can you look at it and see if I have added the information correctly and that it is formatted (a) the best way and (b) similar to the other template information? Thanks! Also, thank you, Redrose64 for the interesting information.  – Corinne (talk) 21:50, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Sections

Nice to see that your sections are once again editable separately. They weren't (on my screen) for a couple days. Sca (talk) 14:39, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Sca Yes, I'm glad, too. Redrose64 figured out what was wrong (it was something I had done). You can see the discussion two or three sections above this.  – Corinne (talk) 21:52, 12 June 2016 (UTC) It's in User talk:Corinne#Missing "Edit" in section headings.  – Corinne (talk) 21:53, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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That – which

Here's another Mary Norris vignette. Sca (talk) 22:19, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Sca Thanks, Sca. Well, her explanation of "that" for restrictive clauses and "which" for non-restrictive clauses matches exactly what I learned, and what I follow, but I see "which" used an awful lot on WP in places where I would use "that". I change some of them (if I see "which" used too many times). I think this may be a British English/American English difference. I'm not sure, but I think British English speakers are content to use "which" for a restrictive clause more often than American English speakers. However, in her first set of examples,

• The New Yorker is a magazine, which likes "that." and
• The New Yorker is the magazine that likes "that."

I think the first sentence is unnatural, so is not a good example of a non-restrictive clause. When you use "a" (as in "a magazine"), the adjective clause should be restrictive; it helps identify what The New Yorker is.

• The New Yorker is a magazine that likes "that."

Here is a better example of a sentence with the clause being non-restrictive:

The New Yorker, which likes "that," is a magazine with strict style standards.

By the way, did you notice where the period is at the end of those sentences? It is inside the final quotation marks, even though "that" is only one word. That's American style. With logical quotation marks, I think WP prefers ....."that". with the period (or comma) outside the final quotation marks.  – Corinne (talk) 02:52, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Believe punctuation outside quote marks is British English. To us it violates the Looks Funny rule. Our way no doubt looks funny to them.

In the first example above, I would make it: The New Yorker is a magazine which likes "that." Sometimes one has to bend the rules a bit for sake of euphony and readability.

Also, one should avoid repetition. For that reason I would not write, The New Yorker is a magazine that likes "that."

Tangentially, how do you feel about that in place of who? (Example: People that edit magazines....) I don't like it! Sca (talk) 12:37, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Sca I agree that it's good to avoid repetition. I also do not like the use of "that" for people. I've had extensive discussions regarding where punctuation goes relative to quotation marks – a long time ago with SchroCat and more recently at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Michael Laucke/archive1, toward the end of "Comments by Lingzhi". There's a lot of confusion about this. I really think the MOS:LQ guideline is unclear and insufficient to explain the possibilities, alternatives, and WP style. For example, I believe SchroCat argued that it was essential to look at the quoted material in the original source to determine where the period/full stop was to be placed, and that placement did not depend upon whether the material was a full sentence or not. Since Americans grow up learning that quotations always go after commas and periods (unless it is a question mark that belongs with the overall sentence and not the quote) – as illustrated by Mary Norris's example sentences – we need more than what MOS:LQ says to guide us on WP. I would welcome a full discussion on this, with a complete set of examples and, for our own edification, the sources of the guidelines.  – Corinne (talk) 16:33, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Corinne, I really think punct. outside quotes is British – I see it constantly in British pub's & books. Ex's from BBC today: Mr Farage said "the real truth is that there is more to life then GDP". — Mr Cameron appealed to people to sign up to vote and not to "sit on the sidelines", saying..... The puzzling thing is, they don't seem to be consistent about it. Sca (talk) 22:07, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

PS: I asked user:Dweller to help us understand. Sca (talk) 22:21, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Sca Thanks, Sca. I saw the comment you left on Dweller's talk page, but when I clicked on the link you provided, it led to the bottom of this talk page. I wonder whether that is because you recently changed the punctuation in this section heading or because (for some reason I don't understand), the "Edit", which I thought usually appeared after every section on my talk page, now does not appear on any except the last one or two sections. Anyway, perhaps Dweller will find this discussion on his/her own.  – Corinne (talk) 04:02, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

• The New Yorker is the magazine that likes "that".
• "The New Yorker is the magazine that likes 'that'."  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 16:39, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your input, Lingzhi. Are these examples meant to illustrate WP style? If so, they also illustrate the difference between WP style and American style. See the video to which Sca provided a link, above. Mary Norris is a long-time editor at The New Yorker, and her examples show ..."that."  – Corinne (talk) 16:51, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

They're actually meant to illustrate being bored at nearly 1 a.m. However, they may also represent an interpretive dance which may, at some junctures, convey to the reader (intertextually, of course, with allusions to Beowulf,Fifty Shades of Grey, and the poetry of the immortal Rod McKuen) an impression of my understanding, at least within the confines of my own epistemological limitations, what I think MOS says about periods. But I could be wrong, of course, since everyone has her, his or their own truth.  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 00:11, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi all Thanks for the compliment of asking me. I suspect, like Americans, Brits use these things inconsistently. One RS on the subject is the style guide adopted by The Guardian. It's odd, that the newspaper widely lampooned as The Grauniad for its frequent errors (see The_Guardian#References_in_popular_culture) has a style guide that many people (especially in the public sector) hold up as a paragon, but hey ho. Anyway, see this page and scroll down alphabetically to "Quotation" for a lovely mixed-bag answer. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 07:29, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Dweller, thanks for the response. I sort of understand the logic of placing quote marks only around the actual quoted material, i.e. inside the "punctuation", but it definitely looks odd and untidy, hence a bit confusing, to Americans accustomed to securing it all inside quote marks that float above the punctuation. Sca (talk) 13:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

PS: I notice that a British admin posted the following comment today regarding an ITN nomination:

Nigerian footballing "legend".

Is this correct use of quotation marks under Guardian style? Sca (talk) 13:44, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes: "Place full points and commas inside the quotes for a complete quoted sentence; otherwise the point comes outside." NB depending on context, a Brit using "legend" like that may well be using sarcasm. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 07:12, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

(←) For better or for worse, the MOS pushes Quotation_marks_in_English#British_practice, which agrees with what Dweller said.  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 09:10, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

The relevant shortcut to the MOS guideline is MOS:LQ (LQ=logical quotation). --Redrose64 (talk) 09:29, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Corinne, Dweller, apropos, you may be interested in this piece about punctuation. Interesting, but overdrawn, I'd say. Sca (talk) 15:26, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Lingzhi, Sca, et al. What do you think of this edit?  – Corinne (talk) 22:22, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Inappropriate. This is not British Wikipedia. Sca (talk) 22:55, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

(←) I shook my Magic 8-Ball, which has informed me that the edit is decidedly correct.  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 01:40, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

thank you

for your suggested additions to my list, I can see that you have groked its essence and jumped right on. As a sort of payback I scrutinized your user page and found a lot to relate to. I too was a grammar fascist for a while, my task being to rid wikipedia of all the "like"s that should be "such as" , but decided that this was an example of the English language changing and that I was playing King Canute, being a foolish old man. I enjoyed your astrophotography - my version of that being going out every night while walking the dog and watching the moon wander across Jupiter, Mars and Saturn. It was nice meeting you, perhaps we shall cross paths again. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 14:46, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Carptrash Thanks for your reply and for all the interesting links. When I saw your sentence, "I enjoyed your astrophotography", I felt I had to make clear that I took none of the photos on my user page. I got them all from either WP articles or Commons. (I'm glad you enjoyed them, though.) Maybe I should add a statement to that effect at the top of the page. I'm not a photographer, although I could be if I had a camera.  – Corinne (talk) 22:59, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

I had not concluded that you took all those pictures but it was a joy looking at them and you brought them all together. No need to add a disclaimer, I think. To take pictures such as those you need not only a great camera but a "size counts" telescope to match. i frequently photograph eclipses and the like but your pics, the ones you posted go way beyond that. cheers, Carptrash (talk) 06:53, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Bangladesh

Sminthopsis84 I know you have been editing the Bangladesh article, but I don't know if you are interested in the overall appearance of the article. You might be interested in my comment at User talk:Crisco 1492#Bangladesh and his response. I don't know if he intends to make any edits or not.  – Corinne (talk) 03:55, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Corinne. That article constantly seethes with edits that reduce its quality, and I doubt that any attempt to improve it would last very long. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 10:23, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Adding topicon

Checkingfax There is a new topicon that members of the Guild of Copy Editors can add to their user pages. See Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors#Top Icon. I want to add it to the left of the other two that are in the upper right-hand corner of my user page, but I couldn't get it right. Can you add it? I figured maybe it should be icon = 2 (it came out in the right place with that, but the "icon = 0", etc., appeared on the user page, too. I think I don't have the brackets and pipes right.  – Corinne (talk) 01:26, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) The topicons are sorted alphabetically on the "|sortkey=" field. Cheers.  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 01:45, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
• Hi, Corinne. Just so you know, I did not miss this question. While I was doing recon Lingzhi invoked a remedy. There have been recent changes that deprecate a few of the parameters and their switches. I did forget to post here that I knew it was solved. If you omit the sortkey parameter data the topicons will automatically alphasort by default. You can force an order by using the sortkey and the sortkey switches. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 17:29, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 25, 2016)

The aqueduct of Segovia, Spain Hello, Corinne. The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection: List of aqueducts in the Roman Empire Please be bold and help to improve this article! Previous selections: Shelby Gem Factory • Hilton Hotels & Resorts Get involved with the TAFI project. You can: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 20 June 2016 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject TAFI •

TFA summaries

Dank You haven't assigned any TFA summaries to me in a while. I was just wondering if you felt I wasn't doing a good enough job on them, and, if so, what I could have done better.  – Corinne (talk) 21:11, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Re-pinging Dank.  – Corinne (talk) 01:33, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Apologies, I thought I talked about this some time ago, let me see if I can find the conversation. - Dank (push to talk) 02:24, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Odd, I can't remember where we had the conversation. My recollection is, and correct me if I'm wrong, that I thanked you for all the work you had done and said that we probably wouldn't need it going forward, that the writers had been doing a much better job lately, and that your work was probably partly responsible for that. If I didn't say that, that's what I meant to say :) - Dank (push to talk) 02:30, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Dank You did, but in spite of searching for ten minutes, I couldn't find your comment, either. I remember you saying you were taking back one subject area (I think it was plants) from me, but you didn't say you weren't going to assign any other article summaries. Thank you for your reply and kind comments. I was glad to be of help.  – Corinne (talk) 03:03, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Oh! Sorry for the trouble. Anyway, thanks kindly for your help, it made a difference. - Dank (push to talk) 10:44, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

COI

Rothorpe Out of curiosity, I looked at what you just removed from your talk page in this edit and which you termed "junk". I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to place a link to your edit on the article's talk page. It may be the only place where that editor admits who he is and his relationship to the group. It would make determining conflict of interest easier.  – Corinne (talk) 03:13, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Corinne; yes, do go ahead. Rothorpe (talk) 13:04, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

O.K. I've done it. Here is the link: Talk:Joey Dee and the Starliters#COI. Here is the link to the diff: [1]. Tagishsimon I saw your name on the WP:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard, so I thought I would ask you if I have done the right thing. I do not normally get involved in discussions regarding COI, and I have no idea whether this is currently an issue at this article, but I thought this piece of information might come in handy at some point and it would be good not to lose it. Rothorpe seemed to agree, so I went ahead and posted a comment on the article's talk page. Have I done the right thing?  – Corinne (talk) 01:45, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

In my view, yes, very much so - good work; thanks. It's as clear a COI/OWN admission from User:JoeyDee123 as we might wish to see. I've found a slightly different diff than you, of dj123 adding, rather than Rothorpe deleting. I'll sort out a {{connected contributor}} tag shortly, which is the very best place to preserve such a link. Thanks for pinging me, and also thanks to Rothorpe for dealing with (some / all - I have not looked in detail) of the COI additions. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:04, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Your question

Hi Corinne, regarding your question on the election page, "Is there a template that GOCE editors can place on their user or talk page to decline direct requests by editors who have not placed a request at the requests page and steer them there, I wonder."; there isn't such a template. Of course, it's up to individual editors whether they accept or decline direct c/e requests. Editors are free to make their opinions about direct requests known on their talk pages, but to be honest i don't think a template is necessary. I normally respond by issuing a curt statement amounting to no, read my userpage and ask at GOCE/REQ. Feel free to make yourself a userbox stating your preference though; it might just catch on. Modify the basic code here:

Except for quick glances or specific questions, this user would prefer if requests for copy edits were made at WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests..

. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 03:39, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

BTW, I'll be around WP for a week or so after my term as coordinator expires, so feel free to ask me things about the coordinators' tasks. That's assuming you're elected, of course... ;-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 16:33, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Checkingfax Using the sample user box that Baffle gab1978 gave me, I was modifying it to make a new user box. I selected colors from the link at the bottom of my templates section (at the top of my talk page), and I used the decimal codes for the colors, but the colors are not coming out. I notice that the number that was in the sample was with the number symbol (#) followed by about six figures all together; it looked different from the decimal numbers. Can you help me? What kind of codes should I use for the colors?  – Corinne (talk) 13:50, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Colours need to be specified in a CSS-compatible form. The spec for this is at CSS Color Module Level 3, but basically, if you want to specify red, green and blue as three separate decimal values, you need to use the rgb(r, g, b) functional notation, that is, the first parameter would be |border-c=rgb(255,105,180) --Redrose64 (talk) 14:43, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Corinne. Redrose64 is right, but it is six of one and half a dozen of another. You can use your color chart and include the hash mark like #666666, or you can spell out the color like: dodgerblue (with no hash mark needed). You can try using 3 place hex codes too like: #666. rgb works too. If I am full of it, Redrose64 will reeducate me. Hex with hash (#) works for me or spelling out the color names. Redrose64 will apprise us if there are purist reasons to opt for one of the four styles. PS: I tested #666666 and dodgerblue in a userbox template and it worked. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 17:38, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Corinne, Baffle gab1978 and Redrose64. For fun, to keep things graphically harmonious, I created a GOCE {{tmbox}} to try out. You are welcome to change the text. It is wide open for editing. Here are the two choices that you can invoke:

Basic use:

{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Tmbox}}

{{GOCE no requests}}

Small box size:

{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Tmbox|small=yes}}

{{GOCE no requests|small=yes}}

Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 21:51, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

What I meant is that using |border-c=255 105 180 won't work because 255 105 180 isn't a valid colour value. I am assuming that your intention is to describe a three-component colour having a red value of 255 (on a scale of 0-255), a green value of 105 and blue 180. If so, then it may be specified in several different ways, these include |border-c=rgb(255,105,180) which looks like this  ; |border-c=#ff69b4 which looks like  ; |border-c=hsl(330, 100%, 70.6%)  ; or |border-c=hotpink  . You should see that those four examples look exactly the same, even though the colour is specified in four different ways. None of these is more "correct" than the others, except that older browsers may not recognise all of these forms. The #ff69b4 form is the oldest way of specifying a web colour, and so is also the most widely recognised, it's described at hex triplet.

Checkingfax mentioned that you can try using 3 place hex codes too; unfortunately, this particular value can't be directly shortened to a three-digit form, except by approximation - instead of the desired value #ff69b4 we could treat this as the approximate value #ff66bb   (which is slightly bluer) and since this now has three pairs of identical digits, it may be shortened to #f6b   but again, there are browser compatibility problems there, particularly with Internet Explorer.

Other ways of specifying colours may be available, for example some browsers might recognise |border-c=cmyk(0, 0.588, 0.294, 0)   (Firefox doesn't recognise this form), but don't rely on anything not described at CSS Color Module Level 3.

As regards named colours, yes you can use those - hotpink is one of them, as is the dodgerblue mentioned earlier - these are valid in most browsers, but the available range of named colours is small. There are only 16 colour names that are guaranteed to be universally recognised, although most modern browsers support this longer list of colour names. There are nearly 150 names in the second list, but even that amount is small when you consider that there are 16,777,216 possible hex triplets. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:37, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Wow! Thank you both for your generous, informative replies. Checkingfax, I'd like to modify the boxes you made. I haven't decided whether I will use the larger box or the smaller box. I can't figure out where I could work on it and make some small changes to them. If other editors have already posted either of these on their talk or user pages, would I be modifying what they have already posted? I'd like to change the font of the heading; I think I would remove "The" before "Guild of Copy Editors"; I'd like to modify the wording of the statements at the bottom slightly; and I'd like to add some color and an image (like the fountain pen image in my tiny attempt at a user box).  – Corinne (talk) 00:59, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Nice work all.; I'll list them on the Guild's template page. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 03:13, 20 June 2016 (UTC):-)

Hi, Corinne, Baffle gab1978 and Redrose64. I was trying to keep a consistent look with existing GOCE templates. I had one font (the default font) for text and one font style for the Guild of Copy Editors portion (actually pulled up through an image). But, I do not have a dog in this fight. I told you Redrose64 would explain things better. One thing I might add is that RGB 255,255,255 is the combination of all possible colors which results in white and RGB 0,0,0 is the absence of all colors which results in black. Same goes for HEX: #FFFFFF is the highest HEX # used so it is the combination of all colors and is white, whereas #000000 (all zeroes) is the absence of all colors and is black. It is always weird to me that you can combine 256 cubed colors to get white. I would think you would end up with mud. One more thing, 256 cubed (256 x 256 x 256) equals the total number of colors: 16,777,216. Zero is the first color, and 255 is the maximum color. Zero is 0 on the HEX scale and 255 is FF on the HEX scale. If you care.

If you want to experiment with the template to make changes there is a sandbox dedicated to the template and there is a test area to show the changes of your sandbox changes. Seeing the changes of templates live from a sandbox needs a test output. Or, you can make changes to the template directly, preview them, and save anything that is agreeable or worthy. I enjoy Redrose64's use of British English. LOL.

This template is a first draft and has not been publicized yet. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 04:14, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

(←) (edit conflict) Corinne and Checkingfax, I'm thinking to move this into template space, the main reason being that it's intended for user pages and user talk pages, rather than for Guild operations. I did move it temporarily, but moved it to the wrong location in Guildspace, so I returned it to its original location. If the Guild ever wants a tmbox, this would be the logical location for it, following the Ombox, so I think something like Template:User GOCE-norequests would be suitable. Sorry I interfered! Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:21, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Corinne and all. I inserted your rbg formatting directly in your userbox at the top of this thread so you can see how it works/looks.

Baffle gab1978 (with cc to Redrose64) I see what you mean about putting these in the template namespace. Good call.

Corinne, you are welcome to edit in the template namespace. Anybody can. If things break you can always do a rollback of multiple edits with Twinkle (or to revert to a previous version) or you can do a standard undo to undo the most recent edit only. This is a draft version only and I expected y'all to tweak it or suggest tweaks. By the way, "The Guild of Copy Editors" is a logo image that is taken from the Guild /top template. Here is a link to get to the current location of the "GOCE no requests" template and its documentation:

{{GOCE no requests}}. I moved it all per Baffle gab1978. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 06:42, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, y'all. Here is the logo image that is used for the GOCE /top page and it this new GOCE tmbox:

file:GoCElogo01.svg it has an alt text tag of alt=The Guild of Copy Editors

We can create a new image with different text (i.e.- dropping the "The") or we could use a style tag to change the font of that one line of text. Lemme know. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 07:07, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

If you mix red, green and blue paints you do end up with a muddy colour, but that is because subtractive mixing is the effect that you get with paints. Computer screens mix light - and as Isaac Newton demonstrated, white light is a mixture of various coloured lights. This is known as additive mixing; and with many computer (and TV) screens you can use a magnifying glass to see that the "white" dots are actually a small group of coloured dots, red green and blue. It works best with one of the older CRT screens, where the dots are larger than with than a modern high-def LCD screen. Try it and see.

When choosing colours, I use Colorizer - drag the sliders around and you'll see the colour sample at top right change. When you've found the one that you want, you can read off its rgb(, # or hsl{ value in the right-hand column - and you can use any of those three. What this website won't do is to tell you a colour name. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:43, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Redrose64 (with cc to Baffle gab1978).

Corinne, so if you want to dig in and edit the template, go here: {{GOCE no requests}}

There is only one template to edit. The template has the |small=yes parameter to make it appear small. You can shorten the text in the small one if you wish by changing the text in the big one. You will see where to do it. You can change the background color, etc. Be sure you are editing the template, and not the doc page. The doc page will end with /doc in the address portion of your browser. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 06:13, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Corinne. I found the GOCE logo font: Barberi. I put it into the template so we do not have to use an image for the Logofont. Go ahead and experiment with background color, border color, font colors, font size, images, etc. Yes, any changes you make go live when you save them. You may have to purge the template and purge your viewing page for the changes to kick in. Have fun. Let me know if I can assist. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 06:37, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Corinne and Baffle gab1978. I think this template is good enough to put up on the GOCE templates page, and then Corinne can refine it. There is only one template, but it can display default size (wide) or as a smaller width that floats right. My work is done. Ping me back if I can assist. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 04:05, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 26, 2016)

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Guild of Copy Editors July 2016 News

Guild of Copy Editors July 2016 News Hello everyone, and welcome to the July 2016 GOCE newsletter. June Blitz: this one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 12 through 18 June; the themes were video games and Asian geography. Of the 18 editors who signed up, 11 removed 47 articles from the backlog. Barnstars and rollover totals are located here. Thanks to all editors who took part. Coordinator elections: The second tranche of Guild coordinators for 2016, who will serve a six-month term until 23:59 UTC on 31 December, have been elected. Jonesey95 remains as your drama-free Lead Coordinator, and Corinne and Tdslk are your new assistant coordinators. For her long service to the Guild, Miniapolis has been enrolled in the GOCE Hall of Fame. Thanks to everyone who voted in the election; our next scheduled one occurs in December 2016. All Wikipedia editors in good standing are eligible; self-nominations are welcome and encouraged. July Drive: Our month-long July Copy Editing Backlog Elimination Drive is now underway. Our aim is to remove articles tagged for copy-edit in April, May and June 2015, and to complete all requests on the GOCE Requests page from June 2016. The drive ends at 23:59 on 31 July 2016 (UTC). Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators: Jonesey95, Corinne and Tdlsk. >>> Sign up for the July Drive! <<<

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GOCE coordinator

Checkingfax I don't know if you have seen the results of the recent election for GOCE coordinators, but I was just elected as an assistant coordinator. I saw Baffle gab1978 had just removed this from his/her talk page. I wanted to know where you think the best place for it is – at the top of my user page next to the small round things for rollbacker, pending changes reviewer, etc., or at the top of my talk page (where?), or both. I want to add it, but I want it to be small. I'd also like to get rid of the gray background, if possible, or at least make the background smaller. Can you help me?

 – Corinne (talk) 02:26, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Firstly, congratulations on being elected coordinator; welcome and thanks for taking on the role. It's really up to you where to display the badge; you could place it on both if you wish. Normally I'd place it on my user page; but I placed it on my talk page because my user page is empty and I have my small quantity of ego-stuff on my talk page. But it's your choice really. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 03:09, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

I figured out that the two numbers for the px ("X x Y px") have to be either the same or pretty close to each other in order for the white box with the gold "medallion" to nearly fill up the gray box. I was hoping to make the medallion smaller (but not increase the gray around it) but also have the caption as it is now, on two lines. When I make the image smaller, the caption ends up on more than two lines and breaking in odd places. Can I separate the caption from the medallion image?  – Corinne (talk) 04:14, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Let's try this. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 06:30, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

[[File:GOCE Coordinator.png|framless|alt=Guild of Copy Editors medallion with gold border with 12 stars, book, quill pen, and magnifying glass and letters GOCE|50px]]

OK, that worked. The image is already on a transparent background. Since it is a round image you only need one size callout. You can adjust it up or down as it suits your tastes. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 06:30, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Acceptance of nomination for a Wikipedia adminship

Hi, Corinne. I hereby accept your co-nom of me for a Wikipedia adminship and I have published the nom page here. I am humbled by your faith and trust in me. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 23:02, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

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Iridescent Thanks for your message. I've read that page through twice, and I've read the discussion on the talk page. I'm afraid I don't see it the way you apparently do.  – Corinne (talk) 04:16, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 27, 2016)

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