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Edit warring at J. K. Rowling, a featured article under double discretionary sanctions
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J. K. Rowling is a featured article that is under double discretionary sanctions, and was recently subjected to an unprecedented featured article review where consensus was built among a couple dozen editors. And yet, you are editwarring to insert content that is not based on high-quality sources, does not conform with WP:WIAFA, and is WP:UNDUE as well; you were reverted first here by me, and then here by Hog Farm. Further, you initiated a discussion after your re-insertion, not before. Surely you understand this would be inappropriate behavior on any featured article, but is blockable on an article under double discretionary sanctions? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:45, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't realize Rowling's articles were in these categories. I've edited some of them before, specifically in relation to her treatment of Native Americans. I am of course aware of the gender-related issues with ArbComm, and edit many of the articles in that category. But, again, I didn't realize Rowling was in that category. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 18:54, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Understood; considering how contentious the article was before its FAR, discussion on talk before re-instating disputed text is key here. There is a diverse and contentious group of editors following the article, and issues that are properly discussed on talk have been well handled. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:59, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for understanding. You have my deep sympathies for doing ongoing work on such a contentious article. I know how hard it is. I handle some similar ones. Editing and doing admin duties on many of the Indigenous and LGBT articles on here, I often deal with some perennial types of bias that can affect one's patience. Peace and compassion, - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:14, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- The work at JKR turned out to be arduous, but a real pleasure, as the diverse group truly collaborated and came to consensus on differences, as we are supposed to do on Wikipedia; it was a most rare success, hence turned out to be my most rewarding experience in 17 Wiki-years! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:19, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for understanding. You have my deep sympathies for doing ongoing work on such a contentious article. I know how hard it is. I handle some similar ones. Editing and doing admin duties on many of the Indigenous and LGBT articles on here, I often deal with some perennial types of bias that can affect one's patience. Peace and compassion, - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:14, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Understood; considering how contentious the article was before its FAR, discussion on talk before re-instating disputed text is key here. There is a diverse and contentious group of editors following the article, and issues that are properly discussed on talk have been well handled. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:59, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
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Please help limit vandalism
We are requesting your assistance in blocking user (Indigenous girl) from removing cited content from the page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_%22Hawk%22_Birdshead
We have made several cited updates to this page and this user continues to remove them.
We would like her blocked from making edits to this page as our content is sourced and cited.
Thank you 2600:8803:9920:1B00:6D10:47B6:179A:F809 (talk) 00:47, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- What other accounts are you using? I will look over both of your edits now. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:27, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- The edits by Indigenous girl and Yuchitown are good. You, however, are continuing to add puffery and inadequately sourced content from this IP range, and others when you travel. I think it's reasonable to conclude you are an editor that has been blocked for doing this on that article, and are now engaged in block-evasion. See the policy WP:LOUTSOCK. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:37, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
DWM
Replying here instead, as I don't want to have a discussion about him that he isn't invited to on his talk page. I suspected a compromised account, and asked a CU to check for that possibility, and they found no evidence of socking or compromise. While the claimed link to Dugwiki seems extremely unlikely, is lying about that in and of itself a reason to block? I'm not sure. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:46, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delay. Life. I'm not sure, either, and I was hoping more admins would weigh in. I think we're on the edge between punitive and preventative. I'm thinking of past users who had this sort of stuff come up at their RfAs. Some turned out to be incredibly disruptive, and are gone now. Others are still here and are a low-level pain that some find useful. I just don't like having liars operating as if they're editors in good standing. I think it's a bad precedent. But, lots of eyes are on him now. Part of what is going on is a question of intent: outright lying vs incompetence, vs feigned incompetence to cover for bad behaviour. My gut says it's the latter but the evidence is not 100% clear, so I think we may be in a holding pattern until he does something more obvious. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:33, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
- I see he's admitted to the deception, and I'm with you, it leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Part of the reason I'm willing to wait now is that I'd rather make a slam-dunk NOTHERE block that will put an end to this saga, than make a contestable block now that in the longer scheme of things only prolongs the pain. And I, too, have struggled to understand the intentions here. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:33, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
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Two-Spirit Page add
I added three vocab words received during a phone call on 02 Nov 2022 about a new documentary coming out on which I am reporting (BEING THUNDER). The conversation was with staff at Tacomaquag Museum, the Nargansett People's museum in Rhode Island USA, lasted 33 min, and included the subject of the documentary (Sherente Harris) on the phone in the b.g. with the staffer. I await publicaton of my review of the work, to add the citation, and/or the publication of a Naragansett vocab list, to cite. I'm also not great at editing formatted parts, so pardon me for the red link? PLMK what to do? Moricolilatham (talk) 22:01, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
- Check out the links I left on your talk page about citing sources. While that's good info to know, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and we have to write it in a way that readers can verify all the content through cited sources. So, you'll have to have a published source, that meets the WP:RS, reliable source, criteria, in order to add the content. It's just how this site works. All the best, - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:01, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
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Vandalism
This person has repeatedly violated wiki Tos by removing data without cause — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corymoytoy (talk • contribs) 18:14, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
- What? Who? Where? - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 18:19, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
I see:
- Corymoytoy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
- Fathertyme74 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
- 107.181.11.198 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
Quack. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:06, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
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| Thank you for all the hard work you put in toward Indigenous content on Wikipedia. Yuchitown (talk) 00:52, 18 November 2022 (UTC) |
- I second that, and am extremely grateful for your work in this area. Corbie, you rock! Netherzone (talk) 16:49, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you both! - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 18:03, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
Happy Fifteenth Adminship Anniversary!
- Thank you! - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:12, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
Happy Adminship Anniversary!
| Happy adminship anniversary! Hi CorbieVreccan! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of your successful request for adminship. Enjoy this special day! CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 22:53, 22 November 2022 (UTC) |  |
I can't believe it's been 15 years. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 23:18, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
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- Thank you! And to you, as well <3 ! - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:10, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
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It seems patently obvious you are editing Wikipedia with a political agenda in mind. I daresay this comment will do nothing to open your until now closed mind. But I implore you to look carefully at your own views, and ask yourself if you are truly editing from a neutral point of view. 37.60.86.150 (talk) 02:05, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Interesting. This is the only edit from this IP. See WP:LOUTSOCK. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 02:14, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. You're the driveby tagger: 37.60.86.146 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Read my edit summary. Read up on policies. Learn how to be a contributor in good standing. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 02:20, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Calmly ignoring the issue, as I suspected you would. It is a disappointment, but not a surprise. 81.128.131.170 (talk) 09:50, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Not ignored. IP-hopping activity noted and being watched. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:56, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
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Honorary tribal membership
Thank you for your input. I could, as the sole person involved in editing the category, empty it and speedy delete. And then we could have a discussion on the Indigenous WikiProject page. I previously brought up the idea of having on article on this subject. Be well. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 22:35, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- There was a list that was deleted back in 2016: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of honorary Native Americans. There would be no way to effectively cite this info, and its notability would be dubious. Thanks! Yuchitown (talk) 23:11, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown
- Thank you, @User:Yuchitown for alerting me, I didn't know that there was once an article. Pinging, @User:Indigenous girl. I will empty and blank the category for deletion. Thank you all for the constructive criticism. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 00:01, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for your flexibility! Yuchitown (talk) 00:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown
- Thank you, @User:Yuchitown for alerting me, I didn't know that there was once an article. Pinging, @User:Indigenous girl. I will empty and blank the category for deletion. Thank you all for the constructive criticism. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 00:01, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you, I'd appreciate it. If you flag it, I can delete it. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 04:49, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
- Ah, I see Liz pushed the button. Relieved. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 04:52, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
indigenous peoples of the Americas, indigenous peoples of Siberia
Hi, I see that you removed my contributions to the above two pages. I would like to explain my rationale for what I edited and then maybe you can elaborate on whether you agree? So, on the indigenous peoples of the Americas wiki, under the genetics section, I changed: "Native Americans are very closely related to the Paleosiberian tribes of Siberia, and to the ancient samples of the Mal'ta–Buret' culture (Ancient North Eurasians) as well as to the Ancient Beringians, but overall not closely related to any other population. Although Native Americans also share relative higher affinity towards East Asian peoples, they are not directly related, but share partial ancestry with each other" to "Native Americans are very closely related to the Paleosiberian tribes of Siberia. Native Americans also share high genetic affinity to the Ancient Beringians, East Asian peoples, and to the ancient samples of the Mal'ta–Buret' culture (Ancient North Eurasians)." I did not provide sources because the sources that were already provided came to the same conclusion. The Reference [294] "Upper Palaeolithic Siberian genome reveals dual ancestry of Native Americans" shows in the supplementary information file, I believe on page 76, titled "SI 12. MixMapper Analysis," that Karitiana, their Native American reference population, had 26.1% MA1/ANE ancestry with the remainder (73.9%) coming from Han/East Asians. Thus, I was confused when it stated on the wiki page that Native Americans are very closely related to the ancient samples of the Max'ta-Buret culture... but overall not closely related to any other population, and then saying that they are not directly related to East Asians. How can it say that they are very closely related to ANE but not directly related to East Asians, when East Asians makes up a larger proportion (majority) of their ancestry, compared to ANE? That's what I was confused about, and that's why I reordered the sentence, to include East Asians under closely related and before ANE, but after ancient beringsians and paleosiberians. And regarding the indigenous peoples of Siberia wiki page, I just changed the wording from saying that native Americans have deeply European-related ancestry to saying that they have ANE ancestry. Firstly, deeply in this context means that the two populations separated long ago, so their relationship is "deep" into the past, and I feel a clarifier may be needed because most people that read that may misinterpret deep as being very closely related when in fact shallowly diverged means closely related and deeply diverged means the opposite. secondly, according to the source they cite, reference [27] "The population history of northeastern Siberia since the Pleistocene", it states in the paper, "Demographic modelling of the high-coverage individual Yana1 using a site-frequency-spectrum-based framework indicates an early divergence of the ANS lineage at about 39 ka (95% confidence interval (CI) 32.2–45.8 ka), concomitant with substantial gene flow (approximately 29%; 95% CI 21.3–40.1%) from East Asians, an event that probably occurred very soon after the latter diverged from West Eurasians 43.1 ka (95% CI 33.4–48.6 ka) (Fig. 2a, Supplementary Information 7). Thus, the ANS population represents a distinct lineage with affinities to both early West Eurasians and early East Asians, albeit in a 2:1 ratio." So they're saying that the ancient north Siberian lineage separated from West Eurasians soon after it split from East Asians, and so are not particularly more related to west eurasians than they are to East Asians, and it has approx. 29% gene flow from early East Asians. so to call it European is misleading and that's why I just changed the wording to refer to ANE by their name instead of a "deeply European related population." I personally find it exhausting to see europeans try to insert themselves into the genetics of Siberia and America, and to see the Eurocentrism all over academia, so that is why I made the revisions I did. And I didn't cite sources because they were my conclusions from the sources already cited.I would love to hear your response surrounding this though, let me know what you think. Xadiiujhy (talk) 01:06, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
- This is not the place to argue article content. For that, take it to the talk pages of the articles where you added unsourced material. The issue is that, as I answered on your user talk, you changed the sourced content without providing a new, reliable source (or any sourcing at all), to support your changes. In some cases you only slightly altered the meaning, but in others you did a complete reversal of what the sources say. Please read the links that I provided in the welcome message, use reliable sources and seek consensus on article talk before trying to re-add any of this content. If you think the current citations support your changes, please provide quotes from those sources on the talk pages. Best, - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 01:11, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
- could you elaborate please, what did I write that was "a complete reversal of what the sources say"? Thanks. And I sincerely apologize that this was not the place to argue article content, I was not aware, I am not a wikipedia pro. But can you at least read my rationale and try to understand my point of view, and tell me if you agree or not? Thanks again Xadiiujhy (talk) 01:20, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
- and I didn't provide new, reliable source, because what I wrote came from the sources already provided as I explained in my first comment above Xadiiujhy (talk) 01:23, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
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