User talk:Clarityfiend/2013

Too Much Johnson

Hello, regarding Too Much Johnson and the questionable rediscovery of the film, I've removed the related passages per WP:BURDEN. Did you ever hear back from the Archive? Erik (talk | contribs) 20:25, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I got a reply today from Nancy Goldman, Head, PFA Library & Film Study Center:

"The Wikipedia article is incorrect. PFA does have a 3 minute long home / amateur movie related to the making of TOO MUCH JOHNSON (1938). Orson Welles is seen directing; Joseph Cotten and Ruth Ford appear, among others. There is a "rented palm tree" to evoke Cuba, in keeping with published descriptions of the filming of TOO MUCH JOHNSON. It has not been ascertained who was behind the camera. The footage is 16mm, silent, and black and white and PFA has preserved it; we screened the preservation print at PFA 10/14/2010." Clarityfiend (talk) 00:47, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah-ha. :) Gotta love these quirks and misunderstandings of history. Erik (talk | contribs) 15:20, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List of films featuring anthromorphic insects

Hello, I closed the AfD due to lack of deletion arguments. I withdrew my nomination, but it looks like it would have been "keep" anyway. I think the best approach at this point is to convert the list to List of films featuring insects, which can include the current examples and more. What do you think? I started a discussion here. Erik (talk | contribs) 15:39, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Up Goes Masie

I always enjoy finding posters for these older films.[1] Thanks fot bringing this to the project. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 01:15, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Swindle (Nickelodeon TV Movie)

Okay, I'll admit there's no article on the upcoming made for TV movie "Swindle" yet. But you're wrong about there being no guarantee that it will happen. That movie was being taped in Vancouver last year. Plus the movie is based on the children's book by Gordon Korman. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 06:25, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say the film wouldn't be made. I said it is very unlikely to be notable enough for an article. What WP:reliable source has written about it? (IMDb doesn't count.) Clarityfiend (talk) 07:12, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What else do you consider reliable? Nickutopia still incorrectly claims it's planned for release in 2014. The only other links I can possibly consider are tweets from the cast and maybe crew. In any case, the tone of your edit summaries indicated you didn't think the movie was going to be real. If I was wrong, I apologize. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 15:49, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Try reading Wikipedia:Notability (films). Clarityfiend (talk) 10:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Environmental impact of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill

Hi, Clarityfiend. You participated at the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of National Wildlife Refuges at risk from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill discussion. The result of that discussion was to merge the List of National Wildlife Refuges at risk from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill into Environmental impact of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. The list was merged. However, there is a related discussion if the Environmental impact of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill was split correctly from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill and if it should be merged back there. Relevant sections for this discussion are this and this. Your comments are appreciated. Thank you. Beagel (talk) 21:31, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Division III college football AfD

Hello! Given your comment on the Chicago Maroons football AfD, I think you might be interested in the following discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012 Buffalo State Bengals football team. Edge3 (talk) 01:51, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Military Units of the United States Army in Europe

Please see Category:Military Units of the United States Army in Europe for my proposal to delete it. Hugo999 (talk) 04:43, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Chandos

Hi Clarityfiend. I am trying to add chandos remediation services to the business section of chandos wiki page but it keeps getting undone. can you help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.238.235 (talk) 16:33, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're talking to exactly the wrong person. I'm the one who keeps deleting the redlink. I found no significant media notice of the company, thus it fails to satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Clarityfiend (talk) 00:14, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Romola Remus

Thank you for graciously withdrawing your deletion nomination. I've been expanding the article, and your feedback would be appreciated. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:03, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've put in my two cents (which soon will disappear from Canadian coinage forever). Clarityfiend (talk) 03:47, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Princess O'Rourke

Just caught this film on TCM; take a gander at the changes. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 19:01, 27 January 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Is you followin' me, bub? (Now what cartoon was that from?) Clarityfiend (talk) 03:47, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bugs Bunny used to say: ""What's all the hub-bub, bub?" FWiW Bzuk (talk) 04:32, 28 January 2013 (UTC).[reply]

List of songwriter collaborations

Hi, Clarityfiend. I'm glad to see you've begun work on this. I've moved it to the absolute top of my to-do list but am unlikely to be able to turn my attention to it till tomorrow or the day after. Honestly, the deletion criteria have been so lame that I'd be surprised if it weren't closed as keep, even as it is now, but you never know with these things. Anyway, it can be improved, so I look forward to helping improve it! Rivertorch (talk) 21:38, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Help would be very welcome: music isn't a particularly strong suit of mine. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:03, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to get moving on this but don't want to be at cross purposes with you. Could you please take a look at my questions here as soon as you have a moment? Rivertorch (talk) 06:13, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy deletion contested: Category:Puerto Rican nuns

Hello Clarityfiend, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Category:Puerto Rican nuns, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: This category does not appear to be empty. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Eye snore (pending changes) 23:42, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Puerto Rican nuns has only the subcategory Category:Puerto Rican Roman Catholic religious sisters and nuns, so it is essentially empty. That's one category too many for a single nun. If you insist, I'll go through WP:CFD. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:50, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thank you very much for your improvements at Pedro II of Brazil. Regards, --Lecen (talk) 14:40, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:08, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalization

Please note the correct casing of races in Middle-earth articles is to capitalize when refering to the race, but individual groups are not. Cheers GimliDotNet^{(Speak to me,Stuff I've done)} 13:03, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Great Gatsby

Why would the 1926 The Great Gatsby be put as an incomplete film, when it is totally lost? The surviving trailer does not constitute it as incomplete, it is still lost. A trailer does not present enough storyline to be called even a short version/or short film. A more shining example of an incomplete film is Lon Chaney's The Road to Mandalay, which was a 7 reel feature(70minutes), now existing with only 30 minutes. Koplimek (talk) 23:08, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- You're missing the other half of the article's title: partially lost. Before I started cleaning List of incomplete or partially lost films and List of lost films, there were trailer-only entries in both places. I thought about it and thought about it and finally made the decision to place them in the former. Does a trailer count less than Cleopatra's remaining 40 seconds? Where do you draw the line? If you don't agree, then I'd suggest you start a discussion at Talk:Film to arrive at a consensus. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:31, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cleopatra vs. trailer: they are both fleeting glimpses into what was. Gary Cooper's Beau Sabreur(1928) exists in a beautiful trailer(on Youtube) only indicating the superb cinematography not the storyline. But who's to say really. Lon Chaney's London After Midnight was recreated completely from surviving MGM stills, not one foot of film survives to run through a projector.Koplimek (talk) 21:12, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciation

Thanks Clarity for all the trouble you're going through in ABCing films in each year bracket, though some would argue that the correct order would be by date of release, but it's not a perfect world and you've taken time to go through the trouble. I for one appreciate it. One thing, and I'll help out when I spot, is that in the shuffle from one list to another the titles don't alway link to the subject of the film. For instance 1929's Rich People was about rich people, the film hasn't yet an article. The same year's Jealousy was about the topic of Jealousy rather than the 1929 Jeanne Eagel's film. That crossover period from silent-to-hybrid-to-sound(1928 to early '31) is shaping up beautifully. I didn't realize so many late silents early talkies were lost. Certainly more Fox Pictures like the Leila Hyams/Allan Dwan-directed The Far Call. should be on the 'lost list'. Boy I wish that wasn't lost but sadly it is. On the topic of presumed lost vs. lost, here's how I believe they're different.

presumed lost - is when random search of internet sources renders no print of a given film. No evidence of anyone seeing the film in at least 27 years (and you would be right in guessing why I picked 27).
lost - when physical checking of major archives as well as internet sourcing renders no print elements. The film hasn't been seen since it was released with evidence of the studio or inheritors of defunct studio junking the negative and/or the last known print. Koplimek (talk) 21:12, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You've touched upon what I've been considering as the next BIG step: what to do with the uncited entries. We're not supposed to decide what's lost or not. That's for authorities in the field to decide. Anything else would be WP:OR. To take an example, Avatar's status is listed in silentera as "unknown", not "presumed lost". I'd like to get rid of them, but would consider putting them in a separate section called say "Fate unknown". What do you think? Clarityfiend (talk) 22:57, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

list of unfinished films

Thanks for cleaning up the lost and incomplete films lists. Have you thought of creating a separate article for unfinished films? Wikipedia already has a category here and the Guardian did an article about this subject in 2004. I'm currently writing a wikipedia article about the abandoned 1970s sci-fi "shrunken man" film The Micronauts, produced by Harry Saltzman of James Bond fame. - Fantr (talk) 23:37, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good idea. Right now, however, I'm still knee deep in the other two lists. It may take me a month; I'm only up to the D's. Why don't you get it started? Clarityfiend (talk) 23:43, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm neck deep in other articles I'm working on. (grin) - Fantr (talk) 01:06, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. I've begun a draft in my user space: User:Fantr/List of abandoned and unfinished films. - Fantr (talk) 21:29, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For responding so quickly to this. Ryan Vesey 03:11, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. (Just don't expect the same turnaround time for Smith or Jones.) Clarityfiend (talk) 05:39, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Austin Dabney

Unfortunately, when people attack me for failing to respond to something of which I am unaware, I am unable to respond until made familiar with the context. It would behoove such people to enable me to respond instead of chiding me for non-response. Nyttend (talk) 00:00, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have other things to do than go digging for links, especially after a week of being in and out of multiple hospitals. Meanwhile, incivility (e.g. questioning whether I'm going to respond this millennium) is a good way to prevent responses from me. Nyttend (talk) 01:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Continued on Nyttend's talk page. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:04, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I weary of hostile messages with no link, especially since you're defending copyright infringement. Nyttend (talk) 08:05, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Nyttend (talk) 08:08, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: after several other editors chimed in (unanimously in my favor), the article was accepted for WP:DYK with what Nyttend called "copyright infringement", though nobody else saw it that way. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:29, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Saaay when are talkies part of the "silentera"?

Hi, in response from your edit-comments section, its when a silent version of that talkie was prepared and released. That's the case for most Vitaphone and Movietone app films from 1927 to early 31, though not always. The AFI and silentera clearly state a silent, hybrid a full sound version when appropriate. For instance the classic 1930 war film All Quiet on the Western Front exists in a silent version.Koplimek (talk) 00:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. It's mostly moot anyway, since I've commented most of them out as unreferenced. That just leaves Stark Mad to deal with. I guess I'll have to include it in both sections. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:24, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Task force Science fiction for wiki project novels

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Indianapolis

Thanks for getting started. I'll be following up. DGG ( talk ) 04:47, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, finally figured out you mean Afds for Indianapolis Museum of Art objects. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:16, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Question.

Hi there Clarityfiend, can you nominate this page Muchiuchi Kodama for deletion or speedy deletion? It makes no sense whatsoever. I was editing Live in Power Bowl: TM Network, and there's nothing about "Muchiuchi Kodama" on the Internet... nothing. It seems that he was the game designer for that game, nothing more. Also, I'm not sure if this page Muchiuchi should exist? Thanks. --Cuoralho (talk) 12:12, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Air Hostess (1933 film)

Take a look, I've revised the article quite a bit. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:08, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Air Hawks (1935 film)

See a follow-up film. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:15, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In the Bishop's Carriage..Anna Ascends... Many Others

I hate to tell you but in your endeavour to relist this, that and the other you've fouled up numerous silent film articles, links, citations and what not. In the Bishop's Carriage you removed the IBDb link to the 1907 play. It doesn't matter if the film was based on the book, so was the play, which is why it was a relevant link, to provide the researcher with a point and counter-point reference. Anna Ascends has it's IBDb linking messed up to. I think I tried to warn you when you started on List of lost films that it would be an untenable job supervising lists. That list as you've got it is going to grow into a monster list that will need a full time job to maintain. It's already confusing and out of chronological order with important films now deleted. What happened to the two Jean films list for 1910. A suggestion is that since the silent film list of this sort is growing they should be further divided up into distinct lists ie List of Lost American Silent Films, List of Lost Indian Silent Films, List of Lost French Silent Films, List of Lost British Silent Films. The American film industry had a bigger output than all those countries combined which is why much of the lost film list comprises American silent films. This angers some people from other countries who think their countries film history is being ignored.Koplimek (talk) 01:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Where to begin? First off, the IBDb citations don't support any of the article statements, and that's what references are primarily for. The Jean films (and lots of others) are out because I couldn't find any reliable references supporting them being lost. We could compile a truly colossal list if we included every silent film that someone somewhere suspects is lost. I'm trying to narrow it down to the ones that can be properly sourced and either have existing articles or are considered important. I'm not sure what you mean by "out of chronological order". Clarityfiend (talk) 01:32, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hyas mahsie re "skookum"

"Hyas mahsie" ("big merci") for your input on that stupid AfD and also for starting work on the subject; note my additions to the dab page and my talkpage comments there; perusing things online, turns out there's a type of knife (not just a brand, though there's one of those too called the skookum bush tool from a particular manafacturer) and (fittingly) a certain size/type of block and tackle using in the fishery and wharving...this isn't the first time I've seen someone start an AfD on a subject they're ignorant of....but damn this is a word that when you start digging around has a lot more to it than the "I've never heard of it" or "this is original research" crowd can even begin to be aware of....instead of complaining about original research why don't they just do some research??Skookum1 (talk) 08:44, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Question on a reverted edit

Hello there Clarityfiend,

I just have a question as to why the information I put on the 'Gumby (disambiguation)' page was taken off? This was the info for it here: (cur | prev) 07:32, 29 March 2013‎ Clarityfiend(talk | contribs)‎ . . (657 bytes) (-274)‎ . .(no word definitions or references in dab pages) (undo)

The reason I am messaging about this is because on other 'disambiguation' pages, e.g. for the term 'idiot' there is a definition on there. Does a page on how this word is used as slang and as another term for the word 'idiot' etc have to be made? I don't see how come a definition can't be on this page, as it is very short.

I guess I will hear from you soon,

-Pluto888

You've stumbled over several disambiguation (abbreviated as "dab") guidelines (see WP:DAB). A dab page is a navigation tool to direct readers to existing articles. Gumby as a slang word is never going to have its own page. The first item listed on WP:DABNOT is "Dictionary definitions". Also, there are never supposed to be any references on dab pages. If Gumby had had a wiktionary entry (it doesn't currently), I would have linked to it. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:23, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Clarityfiend, ohh I see. I looked at some other 'disambiguation' pages and many of them had definitions. Gumby has a page on wiktionary at en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gumby. I guess this is what you mean regarding links?? Pluto888 (talk) 03:20, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I thought I checked for the lowercase "gumby". Anyway, I've added a wiktionary link. If you see unlinked definitions on dab pages (other than in the introduction), they're gumby and should be removed. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:07, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

AfDs

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Columbia page

See my additions and note the edit comments on each.....and look on Category:Columbia River though I've added most of those now.Skookum1 (talk) 16:40, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Lost films

Hi. Since you created List of lost silent films (1915-1919), I figured you may know more about this subject. I've been going through loads of silent film articles lately and I've noticed that quite a few that are deemed lost are seemingly being categorized as such because there's a). There's nothing saying the film is not lost (basically someone guessing from what I can tell) and b). A link that appears to be fansite (ex this link) is saying the film is presumed lost. The example link seems pretty dubious to me as it appears to be a fan made and there are no sources listed to support the lost assertion (unlike silentera.com). Then there are the lost film articles that are linked to silentera but that site the status is unknown. As such, I've been removing the category and the source because unknown (in my mind) means just that - unknown. I see that the stanford.edu is listed several times on the list article you created so, is this link reliable? I know sourcing this kind of thing can be difficult but I feel like there's a lot of "lost" films that are being incorrectly categorized because their status is unknown. I brought this up at the Film Wikiproject but there doesn't seem to be a load of interest about it. Please let me know your thoughts when you get a chance. Thanks! Pinkadelica ^♣ 11:12, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the second reference listed in the 1915-1919 list, you'll see that I noted Greta de Groat's job title: Electronic Media Cataloger at Stanford University Libraries. Also, she's listed as a source by Deutsche Kinemathek in their list of lost films, e.g. for Bella Donna. However, you're quite right about unknown not being the same as lost. Clarityfiend (talk) 18:57, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clarifying. Pinkadelica ^♣ 04:05, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sky Commando

This cheesy film turns out to be the last feature made by talented but fragile Frances Gifford. Although a B actioneer, laden with stock aviation combat footage, there is a hint of plot. "Touch Connors", later known as Mike Connors of Mannix TV fame and Dan Duryea in one of his few sympathetic roles, also have starring roles. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:40, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The NY Times mirrors AllRovi comments. And Duryea had lots of sympathetic roles, certainly more sympathetic than what the synopsis for this movie indicates. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:00, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Duryea was described in the IMDb biography as "Dan Duryea was definitely the man you went to the movies for and loved to hate. His sniveling, deliberately taunting demeanor and snarling flat, nasal tones set the actor apart from other similar slimeballs of the 1940s and 1950s." FWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:22, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Coast Guard (1939 film)

For your consideration, Coast Guard (1939 film), another B feature that, nonetheless, has a Douglas Dolphin as one of the stars, alongside a trio of rising movie idols, Randolph Scott, Ralph Bellamy and Frances Dee. Coast Guard was a typical period B film actioner, combining exciting coast guard rescues with a romantic sub-plot: "friends in love with girl, girl picks cad, romance in trouble, all is right in the end". Relatively pleasant but forgettable fare, Coast Guard appeared to be similar to other B features of the time. Leonard Maltin, in a later review, commented, "Routine but action-filled hokum with similarities to Capra's Dirigible." FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:14, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Another winner??

Mission Over Korea , B film showing some good Stinson L-5 Sentinel footage, another actioneer churned out by shlockmaster Fred Sears who helmed Sky Commando. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 04:11, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Passport to Destiny

Guess we must have both been watching TCM again! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 18:29, 19 May 2013 (UTC).[reply]

I was going to commend your fast category work...

But then I read this..."I'm a Canadian ... therefore you must like me (or at least dislike me less than an American)" ಠ_ಠ. Lol, cheers. Sulfurboy (talk) 10:42, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks ... I think. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:40, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

NOW

Its an American thing (I'm specifically aware of Eleventh Circuit case law), not certain what the legal ramifications are for Canadian police forces. As stated in my 2nd response it references Jayron32's "difference that presents a conflict" in which he goes on to say "You can pair old/young, by-the-book/maverick, male/female, timid/wild, etc." Thus the federal & legal Faux pas in that plaintiff/amicus NOW has claimed the contrary. ^{Market St.⧏}_{⧐ Diamond Way} 00:45, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh and yes NOW=National Organization for Women, if it hadn't I would have corrected it on the Reference Desk. ;-)^{Market St.⧏}_{⧐ Diamond Way} 00:50, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The question about pronunciation of the name Tilikum

Hello! I'm translating the article about Tilikum in Russian (and I've remarked you've been edited this page). Could you give me any suggestions about it's English pronunciation? The most problem question is the stress. How do you accent this name? If you could give mi more exact pronunciation (e.g. by IFA or by any other way), I'd be very grateful. Thanks! Mevamevo (talk) 21:05, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've always heard the word in general pronounced with the stress on the first syllable. This youtube video of a news broadcaster says it the way I expect. Merriam-Webster gives \ˈtilə̇kəm\. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:44, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for your exhaustive explanation! Mevamevo (talk) 00:02, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:23, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Whpq (talk) 11:05, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jodi Arias: Dirty Little Secret

I was a bit surprised that you wrote this film " [sic] hasn't gotten any notice that I can see". I took a look at the existing coverage speaking toward this film set to air in six days, and see that the cautions of WP:NFF have been met, and the coverage it has so far meets WP:NF and will likely, due to interest in the trial itself, continue to meet WP:GNG. The article is undergoing improvement and can only get better. Based upon ongoing work, and available sources, might you reconsider your delete vote? Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 11:46, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for revisiting. Best, Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 23:12, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Ulrich Steinhilper

On 19 June 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ulrich Steinhilper, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that World War II Luftwaffe ace Ulrich Steinhilper was credited by later employer IBM with the concept of word processing? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ulrich Steinhilper. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Orlady (talk) 08:02, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Precious

films and people
Thank you, minist, for quality articles on films and improvements of them, such as Casablanca, and on people and their achievements, such as Ulrich Steinhilper, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:35, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:41, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Riviera & Riviera (disambiguation)

Is the solution of two articles, with a primary topic about just the Ligurian Riviera (with a listing the partials as see alsos, together with a disambiguation page that does not list partials, acceptble to you. See Talk:Riviera (disambiguation). --Bejnar (talk) 00:05, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Another rare TCM film

Flying Devils, a 1933 aerial circus with usual romantic triangle, hijinks, and murder! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:32, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

TemplateData is here

Hey Clarityfiend

I'm sending you this because you've made quite a few edits to the template namespace in the past couple of months. If I've got this wrong, or if I haven't but you're not interested in my request, don't worry; this is the only notice I'm sending out on the subject :).

So, as you know (or should know - we sent out a centralnotice and several watchlist notices) we're planning to deploy the VisualEditor on Monday, 1 July, as the default editor. For those of us who prefer markup editing, fear not; we'll still be able to use the markup editor, which isn't going anywhere.

What's important here, though, is that the VisualEditor features an interactive template inspector; you click an icon on a template and it shows you the parameters, the contents of those fields, and human-readable parameter names, along with descriptions of what each parameter does. Personally, I find this pretty awesome, and from Monday it's going to be heavily used, since, as said, the VisualEditor will become the default.

The thing that generates the human-readable names and descriptions is a small JSON data structure, loaded through an extension called TemplateData. I'm reaching out to you in the hopes that you'd be willing and able to put some time into adding TemplateData to high-profile templates. It's pretty easy to understand (heck, if I can write it, anyone can) and you can find a guide here, along with a list of prominent templates, although I suspect we can all hazard a guess as to high-profile templates that would benefit from this. Hopefully you're willing to give it a try; the more TemplateData sections get added, the better the interface can be. If you run into any problems, drop a note on the Feedback page.

Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 22:06, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Made me laugh

WP:NOTTHESPORTSSECTIONOFTHENEWSPAPER – best WP: link ever. :-) Dricherby (talk) 13:10, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hardly that good, but I'm glad you enjoyed it. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:03, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"northern" edit.

Hi, why did you revert my addition? For other techniques named "western", "southern", the wiki pages have the reference. See western , southern

Furthermore it is actually a very important technique in mol. biology.

Northern blot is not synonymous with or abbreviated as "northern", as far as I can see. Being used as an adjective is insufficient. That's why the page doesn't have entries like Northern Star. I will now blot out the entries in the other dab pages. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:31, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Murder in the Clouds

Check out this quick-paced but slightly hokey B film. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 19:21, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ruse of war - Category deletion

Just wondering, why did you delete Category:Special forces from the Ruse of war article? Special forces often use various ruses of war. 83.70.229.4 (talk) 14:00, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is no special connection between them. All military forces use ruses. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:29, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

High noon

Hi, I've reinserted the section you have deleted after correcting it with a new formulation of the section, by mainaining the content but avoiding to suggest that that precise date would be intentional by movie makers, and simply stating that that date is completely coherent with the scenes of the movie. Please analyze carefully this new formulation before deleting it. As I'm discussig of this with Pineticket please use his talk page for reply where you can find additional information — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.251.51.82 (talk) 07:47, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Action in Arabia

Did some work on this article. Take a look. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:38, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Trade?

re: In my monomaniacal quest to watch every aviation film ever made, how could I have missed one with an airliner with an outdoor balcony (at archive.org)?

Clarityfiend (talk), trade you Non-Stop New York for On an Island with You. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 23:14, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fiction Tense

Hi, middle-earth articles are written in past tense, please see [[2]]. Cheers GimliDotNet^{(Speak to me,Stuff I've done)} 20:45, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

West Point of the Air

Check it out. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:30, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Prince (given name)

Thanks for creating this. Is it common for Foo (name) to be a redirect to Foo (given name)? I created Prince (name) as a redirect, but then I started to wonder if I shouldn't have. If it's not normal, let me know and I'll G7 speedy delete it. Talkback, please. Nyttend (talk) 01:50, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There's also Prince (surname), so your best options are deleting or redirecting to Prince (disambiguation)#People. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:01, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oneflare deletion

On the Oneflare deletion page you cited that ShoeStringMedia was "unsigned", can you please clarify? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamsi (talk • contribs) 02:41, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unsigned as in no author name given. Anonymous articles aren't very credible. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:07, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Umm, but there is an author. Mat beeche. It's at the bottom of the article. Can you possibly point me in the direction of what criteria we must meet in order to be listed as a website? I really don't appreciate people making assumptions about credibility, especially coming from someone who isn't an Australian and quite possibly has no insight into the industry. Don't get me wrong, I love Canadians. Though I mainly like your snow. Jamsi (talk) 11:08, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. I didn't look too closely and assumed that was just a comment on the article. I don't appreciate your attitude - as if I had to be Australian to figure out if the company was notable - but I'll answer your question anyway. Beeche and ShoeStringMedia don't appear to satisfy WP:RELIABLESOURCE, as required by WP:CORP. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:24, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Parachute Jumper

Try this one, another one you edited earlier. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 19:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A note on the RFD for acidic mouth syndrome

I agree that Acidic mouth syndrome should be deleted, but I am concerned about your posting a link to the author's probable real life identity. Would you be willing to edit your AFD nomination to replace the link with something like "...the article's creator appears to have a personal motive/COI for pushing this term"? I'm not going to make any changes to what you wrote, so no worries if you disagree. I added a COI tag to the article. Andrew³²⁷ 13:54, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Robin Hood Disambiguation page

I'm new to making changes and am not sure why "partial title match" was the reason for not accepting the "The Adventures of Robin Hood (film) (1938)", starring Errol Flynn and

"The Story of Robin Hood and His Merrie Men (1952), a Disney live action film". The movies are 100% about the character of Robin Hood, and not a side story in those movies. Those movies cannot be confused with any other character. In other disambiguation pages, I've seen movies with titles not even including the character name included as part of the "film" section. I guess I'm just confused. The title correction on the third movie was based on how the title appears in IMDB database, as well as other movie databases. The "link name" is incorrect. Any explanation would be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by QueenV1 (talk • contribs) 01:05, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The page is for entities known simply as "Robin Hood". The film is about Robin, but titled The Adventures of Robin Hood, and AFAIK never referred to as just Robin Hood. There's a separate dab page for The Adventures of Robin Hood. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:12, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. I give up. I will no longer to even try to attempt to make any kind of change. This is beyond my understanding. I have no clue as to why Robin Hood: Men in Tights is in the list but The Story of Robin Hood and His Merrie Men isn't, just because it has "The Story of" in front of the name. It looks like title takes priority over content. I appreciate you taking the time to answer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by QueenV1 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The consensus is that Robin Hood: Men in Tights (or basically any title that has a colon) could plausibly be shortened to what comes before the colon. The same isn't true for The Story of Robin Hood and His Merrie Men. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:06, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Princess O'Rourke

Here's another one that you had edited; I did some work on it. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 20:37, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See Government Girl (1943), a film related in a way to Princess O'Rourke. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 22:36, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

and another oddity, A Ticklish Affair with an aviation theme. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:52, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Vernon and Irene Castle

Thanks for the references. Can you fill in the missing page number in footnote 3? All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:33, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Disappearance of Flight 412

Try this oddity on for size. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 22:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Lamb (actor)

You participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Lamb (actor) back in January. The notability of this person has increased since that discussion. The page has been temporarily restored to User:Davidwr/Ben Lamb (actor). Please discuss whether it should be kept or not on User talk:Davidwr/Ben Lamb (actor). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 00:48, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Password is Courage

Take a look at this curio, it isn't quite an "aviation film" although there is some connection to the Second World War aviators. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:10, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

FYI

Hello Clarityfiend ( my friends would tell you that I'm pretty good at groaners too :-) but I avoided it this time) Having enjoyed the show Barney Miller from its original run through the great box set of DVDs I wanted to let you know that you are correct in this edit summary. Levitt was promoted to detective in the last season (maybe even in the last episode of three parter that was the series wrap up though my memory could be playing me false at the moment) of the show. The whole height thing was a running gag but was never an actual reason that he wasn't promoted earlier. Thanks for your efforts on that article and cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 15:50, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I knew I wasn't going senile quite yet. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:44, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting Mavra disambiguation

Hello Clarity, A couple of months ago you reverted an update I made to the Mavra disambiguation page. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mavra_(disambiguation) May I ask why? Yours, Seb SebHaigh 10:09, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 10:14, 30 July 2013 (edit) (undo) (thank) Clarityfiend (talk | contribs) m (Reverted 1 edit by Sebhaigh (talk) to last revision by GoodDay. (TW))

Dab pages are navigational tools to help readers find Wikipedia articles; your entry doesn't have a link to one. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:20, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Waitrix

Thanks for your comment, I laughed out loud, and am glad I had just fully swallowed my coffee. μηδείς (talk) 19:21, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What, no tip? [Taps horsewhip against palm ominously] Clarityfiend (talk) 02:49, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter

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Ref Desk

"You write on the left hand side in the UK to avoid horrible crashes with oncoming letters." Good one! Edison (talk) 04:15, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. [takes a bow] Clarityfiend (talk) 02:01, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted Link to "Abend - Nacht - Morgen" on the Lost Films 1920-1924 page

You deleted the link I added to Allmovie for this lost F.W. Murnau title, citing that Allmovie is too full of mistakes to be reliable. They do have them, but this particular piece is accurate, as it was based on information gained via the German language Deutsche Kinemathek and Murnau Society entries on this film. I understand your allergy to the granular and specific in such sweeping judgments, but I do not think this was sufficient reason to delete the reference.Pinikadia 12:05, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, there's already a Deutsche Kinemathek reference. Wouldn't it be better to source the Murnau Society directly? Clarityfiend (talk) 12:16, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Deletion review for Vedontakal Vrop

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I vespri siciliani

Re: your recent changes of spelling of the name of the character Guy de Montfort (in French) to "Monteforte" (in the Italian Vespri), I wonder what your source(s) is/are for this?

In Grove, Roger Parker uses Montforte (i.e. adds an "e" at the end) (Vol. 4, p. 95, it being listed as under "Vepres" with the Italian names in brackets. Thus "Helene" becomes "Elena"). Julian Budden doesn't deal with it, while Charles Osborne in "The Complete Operas of Verdi" does agree with Parker and uses "Montforte (Guy de Montfort)" when giving the synopsis of Vespri.

Until I hear from you, I'm not going to dig further, but would be interested in your reasoning. Best, Viva-Verdi (talk) 03:20, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not an opera expert by any means. About all I know is from Mario Lanza movies. I'm just going by what it already said in the opera article. It was half Montforte and half Monteforte, so I made it consistent. If that's wrong, I've been misled. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:25, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, thanks for this. I'm not sure about the half and half, but the original French version is Montfort for the Les vêpres siciliennes article and - in the Italian version, with the title changed to I vespri siciliani]] - it is Montforte - with a e added. (And the Met Opera's program, which I have here after seeing it there in 2004, agrees with this.

Therefore, I'll go in and make them all consistent for Vespri. Viva-Verdi (talk) 03:40, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Glad Tidings and all that ...

FWiW Bzuk (talk) 23:23, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Way to the Stars

Check it out, did some work on it. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 02:49, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Flying Irishman

... and another. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:40, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

another Price Peak, no article yet but interesting story.

Price Peak (British Columbia) has an interesting story.Skookum1 (talk) 04:04, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Beyond Tomorrow (film)

You better check out this article, someone has been messing about ... (again) FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:35, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oliphant's Gym - contested deletion

Hello Clarityfiend,
There are sources that lend support to the claim that Oliphant's Gym was founded in 1913.
1. A documentary about Oliphant's Gym from approximately 30 years ago (now on Youtube) is consist with the information in the Wikipedia entry for Oliphants Gym's start date: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGQwZLPb1dk. Notably, this documentary includes an interview with a gentleman who personally began attending the gym in 1927.
2. A letter from Toronto city councillor for Ward 20, Adam Vaughan, in support of an initiative to rename a street in Toronto, Canada in honour of William Oliphant Sr. (the founder of Oliphant's Gym) notes that the gym was started in 1913: www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2013/te/bgrd/backgroundfile-63833. Notably, Councillor Vaughan's letter traces the history of the gym from 1913 to present day.
These sources should be sufficient to demonstrate Oliphant Gym's historical significance.
Thank you for your efforts administering wikipedia policies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by August08 (talk • contribs) 01:47, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]