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Myanamr Air force

Hello, I just wanted to point out that Myanmar already has 9 Mi 35 so two more being commission would mean 11 in total not 10. Thank you. Minntheking (talk) 19:25, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

@Minntheking: Ok, Fixed. How about total number of JF17 and yak130 ? Ckfasdf (talk) 22:37, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

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Are you a soldier in the Indonesian Army or a government worker?

I suspected you are either a government worker or a soldier in the military based on your edits on West Papua. SpinnerLaserz (talk) 00:52, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

neither, just wikipedia editor Ckfasdf (talk) 00:59, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Are you sure? I know most Wikipedia editors have occupations (I've seen editors working for the military and the government). Based on your answers, you are have a interest in military studies. I just don't know as I am asking you out of curiosity but if you joined the military in the future, good luck in your service. SpinnerLaserz (talk) 01:01, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

I am sure, Indonesian-related topics just happen to be on my watchlist. Also, my RL occupation is medicine-related and not really planning to move to the military. Ckfasdf (talk) 01:18, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

I need to talk to you about my recent feud with SharabSalam

SharabSalam thinks me that I reverted two editors which is not true. He recently report me. I think that I still believe that Russia, North Korea and China part of the Axis of Resistance, I stopped believing in this a year ago. You know how I believed that the Polish and Australian are spies? It was just a misunderstanding by me. I have recently filed a AN/I report against him. Al-Arabiya can be a reliable source. He think that I was making meme out of Wikipedia. SpinnerLaserz (talk) 01:07, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

I believe both of you and User:SharabSalam AN/I report have been closed (result:no violation). And I didn't see discussion on Talk:Yemeni Civil War (2015–present). I strongly suggest that you begin your discussion there before reporting to AN/I. If no consensus between you, then you can refer to WP:CONTENTDISPUTE Ckfasdf (talk) 01:31, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Just minor addition, while our minor dispute on Free Papua Movement can be settled by using edit summary. It's not really an ideal way do settle dispute due to WP:3RR. It would be a lot better to bring discussion on talk page. And, on our dispute, I was planning to use talk page if keep revert my edit.Ckfasdf (talk)

@SpinnerLaserz: Regarding Al-Arabiya, refer to Noticeboard here, it was considered to be an established outlet per Wikipedia:RS#News organizations, so, in general, considered reliable for our standards. That does not mean it is necessarily unbiased. In something as emotional as the Yemen civil war, in which most of the countries of the world have expressed support for one side or the other, it is hard to find any source that is completely unbiased. For contentious information, it may sometimes be useful to cite the source by name, something like: "Al Arabiya stated that ...".Ckfasdf (talk) 01:39, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

@Ckfasdf: Okay, because war is one of the controversial topics ever and when war is happening, so does politics. I have talk to Sharab and showed him the discussion that you linked. SpinnerLaserz (talk) 01:45, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

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Worry about yourself

I've been at Wikipedia far longer than you, so you don't need to tell me anything about guidelines. Try to "Assume good faith" on your fellow editors. If any unintended mistakes are made, fix'em, note it in the edit summaries and move on. WP: Wikipedia is not about winning - FOX 52 (talk) 04:48, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

That's why I ask.. coz I don't understand your edits. Oh well... whatever. Ckfasdf (talk) 05:48, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Copyright problem on Rawagede massacre

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Harassment warning

STOP Hounding me. Following me, and reverting my edits on nonsensical content, is becoming an annoyance. I'm giving you this warning, if you continue I will just take it up with the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard - Note harassment can get you blocked from editing FOX 52 (talk) 05:55, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• And this is not this time I tell you

It's not my intention on following you. However, Both of us are air force page editor, list of air force is on my watchlist and I also updating aircraft inventory on air forces pages. So, eventually, we will met on some air force pages. I also will not revert your edit or question your edit if it was makes sense. Ckfasdf (talk) 06:19, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

No I don't think so -The odds of your edits coinciding with mine, on page(s) you’ve never edited before is beyond miraculous. A few examples LAPD Trinidad and Tobago Defence CASA CN-235 List of Swiss Air Force aircraft List of Turkish Air Force aircraft – I've been editing in aviation with a pool of other editors for years and our interactions are far & few in-between. If you want keep up the targeting, do so at your own risk but, I will take it up with WP: Admin noticeboard - FOX 52 (talk) 22:51, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

I do have history edit on law enforcement, military unit and aircraft. Again since our interest is coincide.So, we may see other in those pages in the future. I may also revert your edit if it doesn't make sense (such as removal of part or fully proper citation and left it as bare reference (example1:line159 and line162 or example2:line143) or question WAF addition when there are other sources available. Also I noticed that you are fan of removal of unsourced material per WP:VER, while I prefer and tend to follow WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM. So that's another reason we may met on some pages. Ckfasdf (talk) 01:02, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

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Hi! Austroneiser, I recently did some edits to the infobox of Kris which is a traditional weapon of Philippines and Indonesia, Malaysia, but since March 21, an anonymous user in the handle of User:139.192.224.172 was keeps removing the Philippine part on the infobox of the said article. without any hesitation or reviewing the sourcing plus a user named Gunkarta also helping this IP address to remove the Philippine part. [[1]] and (this is only my personal opinion) I think these users were having a sort of personal preferences which against the NPOV, (you can see the content of the entire article) to understand what I'm saying. because currently right now and I'm busy resolving this. (plus, I need help from my fellow Wikipedians about this issue.) however, you can find there that the Kris and Kalis of Philippines have the same Origin. s Last time he remove the Philippine part from the Infobox without any valid reason. is this for personal preferences or else?. The history of the Kris blade / in the Philippines known in Tagalog as Kalis was a variant of the keris, which first appeared around the 13th century, in which said originally from the island of Java (also originally from Champa in Vietnam in my opinion). From there the keris migrated to the Philippines where it becomes into the Kalis. Other countries in which the keris and keris-like weapons can be found include Malaysia, Brunei, and some other countries in Mainland Southeast Asia. the differences where All the Filipino types of kalis swords are both longer than those from the Malay world. Although it is considered to be a slashing weapon, the Kalis can be effectively used for thrusts and stabs. (NOTE: the references and the statements where obviously ignored or disregard (for something else).
PS I need to hear you're opinions about it, you can reply on my talkpage Cheers (Enola gay0 (talk))

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Milhist Discussion

Hey! Started a milhist discussion on the topic Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Infobox military unit or Infobox law enforcement organization. I would love to get your perspective. So I'm being transparent, my ulimate concern is that this goes so far that the U.S. Coast Guard and U.S. military police forces (which have substantial roles beyond LE) get their infoboxes changed. Basically trying to establish some community consensus on left-right boundaries for what counts for the LE infobox and what counts as primary for the military org infobox. I just want to clarify, I've got no issues with you doing it, I just feel with the overlap we need a little more consensus on what counts for what. Garuda28 (talk) 14:14, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@Garuda28: thank you for contacting me.. I have replied on wp:milhist talk page. Ckfasdf (talk) 15:28, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Sockmaster is back

Hi Ckfasdf! I have seen you also have come accross the IP 118.136.116.158, which is related to the sockmaster User:Muhammad Farrel D, and whose only apparent meaning in life is to add the word "Indonesia" as much as possible to WP (and to delete "Malaysia" whereever they can) in portals, categories and templates. I know it is tiring, but can you also have a watch on them? Most stuff is harmless, but sometimes it is patently absurd[2].

Btw, I wonder what an IPA of your username would look like... All the best! –Austronesier (talk) 08:02, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@Austronesier:, OK I will look our for that sockmaster edit... but may not be as active as before.. due this pandemic things. Regarding IPA of my username, it's actually a good question... coz I never intend it to be pronounced though. Ckfasdf (talk) 09:06, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! As for the name, I guessed so LOL. I hope you're well, though? –Austronesier (talk) 09:10, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@Austronesier: I am good.. it's just more related to my IRL work. Anyway, I am using this cuisine watchlist to look up cuisine pages and it seems Gunkarta already revert most of sock's edit. Ckfasdf (talk) 07:26, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Lebanese Air Force

DO NOT engaged in an edit warring as done on Lebanese Air Force article. You are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus on the Talk Page - FOX 52 (talk) 04:28, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

refer to WP:3RR, it is not edit warring yet... I even suggest to discuss it on talk page. Since the issue may affect most air force pages (not only Lebanese air force), I'll open discussion on WP:MILHIST. Cheers. Ckfasdf (talk) 04:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

You should've brought up on the talk the first time it became an issue. Regards FOX 52 (talk) 05:14, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

It's still allowed per WP:3RR. Anyway, I have started discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Aircraft inventory table on air force pages. Ckfasdf (talk) 06:21, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Replacing police articles inbox (military unit) to law enforcement agency

Hello Ckfasdf, I notice that you have been substituting Template:Infobox military unit for Template:Infobox law enforcement agency in police related articles. The law enforcement agency infobox does not have the same parameters as the military unit infobox. For example Critical Incident Response Team, CIRT is not Overviewed by Victoria Police and the Security Services Division is not the Parent Agency and the article infobox has a confusing title Agency overview. Less confusing was describing a law enforcement agency as a branch in the military unit infobox.

The law enforcement agency infobox was designed for a agency and not a unit. The infobox does not have a parameter for type Police tactical unit nor role which can vary. The code specops in Template:Specialist lea type descr used in the infobox cannot be changed and doesn't apply to all police tactical units as their role may not include protection of VIPs and also SWAT is a US term not as commonly used outside North America. An example is Specialist Response Group, the unit does more than specops code with the infobox previously containing Riot control and Search and Rescue.

I started designing a law enforcement unit infobox in December which combines elements of the military unit infobox and law enforcement infobox. I have been trying to seek interested editors views. Regards, --Melbguy05 (talk) 16:56, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@Melbguy05: OK, I understand that Template:Infobox law enforcement agency may not be suitable for law enforcement unit. but, IMO Template:Infobox military unit is even more not suitable, as they are designed for military unit. Until, we have law enforcement infobox... I think it's OK to put it on Template:Infobox law enforcement agency. Also, I will not replace infobox of law enforcement unit page for time being (unless it was an agency like FBI). I will replace it law enforcement infobox once it's available. In the mean time, I will also review your draft of law enforcement unit infobox.Ckfasdf (talk) 01:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Melbguy05: Template:Specialist lea type descr can be edited (I have changed "specops" description to include Police tactical unit) and |parent_agency= can be used similar to |command_structure=, this parameter used to describe it's superior unit/agency. If I put it wrong superior unit, please feel free to fix it. With that's being said, I've changed my mind. I don't think it's really need to make new template for LEA unit, IMO Template:Infobox law enforcement agency can be used. Ckfasdf (talk) 02:10, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Please revert your edit to the Specialist lea type descr. The template is for roles of law enforcement agencies. A police tactical unit is not a role of an law enforcement agency. It is a unit that forms part of an agency. The law enforcement agency infobox has a parameter for units of agencies |unitname=. The |parentagency= description is "Parent agency of this agency". The parameter is not suitable for a unit, it displays "Parent agency" which means that the child (article topic) must be an agency, while |command_structure= displays "Part of" and a unit is part of an agency.--Melbguy05 (talk) 12:33, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Refer to Counter-terrorism#Tactical units page, those 'agencies' includes Tactical units. And unlike military unit, LE agencies can have different name (unit, division, directorate, and etc). IMO it's still appropriate to use LEA infobox on those 'agencies'. also |command_structure= on infobox military unit and |parentagency= on infobox LEA serve same purpose, to shown their unit/agency direct superior/reporting to. Ckfasdf (talk) 02:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

EDIT: Regarding the draft of LEA unit. Refer to MOS:INFOBOX on "Consistency between infoboxes" sub section, IMO draft of infobox LE unit should refer to infobox LEA not military unit. Please consider that LE unit is not only police tactical unit, but may also cover crime investigation department, border patrol unit, customs and immigration unit and etc. Ckfasdf (talk) 03:01, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Counter-terrorism is incorrect to refer to units whether law enforcement or military as "International Counter-Terrorism Agencies" - in any event this has no relevance to the discussion. "And unlike military unit, LE agencies can have different name" - military units can have different names the same as LEA. Yes, |parent_agency= and |command_structure= parameters serve the same purpose, however, |parent_agency= displayes "Parent agency" whilst |command_structure= displays "Part of". Returning to the example, Critical Incident Response Team, the Security Services Division is not a "Parent agency". The Security Services Division is a division within the Transit & Public Safety Command Department of Victoria Police. Prior to your edit, it was "Part of". The Critical Incident Response Team is not "Overviewed by" Victoria Police. The |overviewbody= parameter in the LEA infobox is used for external bodies that oversees an agency such as a anti-corruption agency. Your edit to the Specialist lea type descr, as above, the template is for roles of law enforcement agencies. A police tactical unit is not a role of an law enforcement agency but a unit that forms part of an agency.--Melbguy05 (talk) 19:23, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

As |parent_agency= and |command_structure= parameters serve the same purpose, then it'll be easier to propose changes on LEA infobox to display |parent_agency= as "Part of". Ckfasdf (talk) 00:28, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

|parent_agency= is specially designed for a LEA to display "Parent agency". There is no need to propose changes to the LEA infobox as I am working on a LEA unit infobox once I have finished tidying up LEA infobox. I don't know of any Wikipedia policy that states that the infobox used for a particular article has to be from a certain category having been specially designed for the subject matter of that article. It shouldn't matter what category the infobox is, e.g. military or law enforcement, etc.., if it summarises the information in the article the best. MOS:INFOBOXUSE "Whether to include an infobox, which infobox to include, and which parts of the infobox to use, is determined through discussion and consensus among the editors at each individual article." You acknowledged that "I understand that Template:Infobox law enforcement agency may not be suitable for law enforcement unit" but then you made a change to Template:Specialist lea type descr, which lists LEA roles, by adding police tactical unit which is a type of police unit not a role of an law enforcement agency (which you still have not corrected).--Melbguy05 (talk) 11:53, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

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I'm not sure if you copied this from somewhere or its your own, but in the Introduction section there are some grammatical errors- "is created as police forces and a permanent and civilian of component of the Public Forces attached to" that's too many "and" / "of". (Just be careful in the future, I'll try and clean it up) - Also can you give me the specific page number from this document that references the National Aeronaval Service - Thanks FOX 52 (talk) 18:53, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

@FOX 52: It was from article 2 of the law no 7. Please feel free to fix the grammatical error. Ckfasdf (talk) 22:05, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Nope there is nothing in (article 2) pertaining to the National Aeronaval Service, it's referencing the The National Border Service only. (And there is no law no 7). Again from the document ←you sourced, tell me the PAGE number. Where it refers to the National Aeronaval Service. The are 30 pages in this PDF. - FOX 52 (talk) 22:38, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

@FOX 52: It seems we are not looking the same document, due to I put wrong link on that page... sorry for that. (the issue have been fixed). link for that document is https://www.gacetaoficial.gob.pa/pdfTemp/26109/GacetaNo_26109_20080822.pdf .For law issue, usually we refer to article number of that act. Article 1 and 2 are on page 2 of that PDF file. Ckfasdf (talk) 01:00, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Artículo 1. Se crea el Servicio Nacional Aeronaval como una institución policial, con especialidad aeronaval, adscrita al Ministerio de Gobierno y Justicia, cuyo jefe máximo es el Presidente de la República, quien ejerce su autoridad directamente o por conducto del Ministro.

Artículo 2. El Servicio Nacional Aeronaval es una institución policial, componente de la Fuerza Pública, de carácter permanente, de naturaleza civil, con carrera profesional y régimen disciplinario especial.

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Avoid making these kinds of edit summaries - Your summary should be an explanation of the changes made, not a long winded statement on other editors actions. - FOX 52 ^talk! 02:12, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@FOX 52: Noted, If I found another concern on your edit, I will post in on your talk page. Ckfasdf (talk) 02:27, 29 November 2021 (UTC)