User talk:Charlie292929

January 2020

Please stop adding unsourced or poorly sourced content. This violates Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:30, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because your account is being used to aggressively insert unsourced claims in violation of the policy on verifiability and the reliable sourcing policy.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Acroterion (talk) 00:57, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What ate you trying to hide and why. Everyone knows he was Jewish.. Reporting me for vandalism ?. By adding Jewish to the profile. Very suspicious. Emails being sent out. More and more people will be looking with even more interest now. You did me a really big favour, with your determination to keep coming back, then getting me blocked. Raises more questions and will be gatherings more intetest than it did before. Removing something that so many already know. Why ?. Charlie292929 (talk) 10:25, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cowards. Censoring wiki. The truth hurts Charlie292929 (talk) 11:20, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lucius Caecilius Iucundus

Was of Jewish faith. Why are people trying to hide this fact all of a sudden. Fell right into my hands, it is getting more attention now after being acused of 'vandalism' for stating a fact, when actually, the vandal would be the one trying to hide the truth. Charlie292929 (talk) 10:32, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CAECILIUS OF CALACTE (first century C.E.), literary critic, rhetorician, and historian. Born in Calacte, Sicily, he was active in Rome in the days of Augustus. He wrote in Greek various works on rhetoric and on literary criticism, among them treatises on such themes as the characteristics of the ten greatest Attic orators, a comparison between Demosthenes and Cicero, the sublime style, and others. Together with Dionysius of Halicarnassus he was a proponent of the clear, concise style of expression known as Atticism and a bitter opponent of the flowery style of Asianism. One of his works deals with the difference between the two styles. He is particularly noteworthy for his skill in exposing works falsely attributed to orators. In historiography he was renowned as the author of an account of the slave wars in Sicily and of a theoretical treatise on history.

According to his biography contained in the tenth-century lexicon of Suidas, Caecilius, originally called Archagathus, was born a slave, and was a Jew by religion. There is no reason to doubt this statement – he was presumably the son of a man sold into slavery in Sicily who, when freed, adopted his patron's Roman name. Since only a few fragments of Caecilius' works have been preserved, it is not known whether his Judaism found expression in his writings. Interesting in this connection is the enthusiastic praise given by the author of a work of literary criticism, De Sublimitate (commonly referred to as "Pseudo-Longinus"), to the words of the "Jewish lawgiver" (Moses) which is a paraphrase of "And God said: 'Let there be light.' And there was light" (Gen. 1:3; cf. De Sublimitate 9:9). Since it is known that the work of Pseudo-Longinus was written in consequence of Caecilius' treatise on the same subject, it has been suggested that he learned of this biblical verse from that source, but the possibility of his having acquired the information through other channels cannot be ruled out. Plutarch, in his Life of Cicero, tells of a joke by the Roman orator directed against the Jewishness of his contemporary, the quaestor Caecilius. As it is highly improbable that the latter was in fact a Jew, some scholars see in this account a confusion between the quaestor Caecilius and the Jewish writer of the same name. Caecilius was the first known European Jewish author who did not write on Jewish subjects. He is, moreover, a pioneer in the field of comparative literature. He was severely criticized by Plutarch, who undoubtedly owed much to him. Charlie292929 (talk) 11:24, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CAECILIUS OF CALACTE (first century C.E.), literary critic, rhetorician, and historian. Born in Calacte, Sicily, he was active in Rome in the days of Augustus. He wrote in Greek various works on rhetoric and on literary criticism, among them treatises on such themes as the characteristics of the ten greatest Attic orators, a comparison between Demosthenes and Cicero, the sublime style, and others. Together with Dionysius of Halicarnassus he was a proponent of the clear, concise style of expression known as Atticism and a bitter opponent of the flowery style of Asianism. One of his works deals with the difference between the two styles. He is particularly noteworthy for his skill in exposing works falsely attributed to orators. In historiography he was renowned as the author of an account of the slave wars in Sicily and of a theoretical treatise on history.

According to his biography contained in the tenth-century lexicon of Suidas, Caecilius, originally called Archagathus, was born a slave, and was a Jew by religion. There is no reason to doubt this statement – he was presumably the son of a man sold into slavery in Sicily who, when freed, adopted his patron's Roman name. Since only a few fragments of Caecilius' works have been preserved, it is not known whether his Judaism found expression in his writings. Interesting in this connection is the enthusiastic praise given by the author of a work of literary criticism, De Sublimitate (commonly referred to as "Pseudo-Longinus"), to the words of the "Jewish lawgiver" (Moses) which is a paraphrase of "And God said: 'Let there be light.' And there was light" (Gen. 1:3; cf. De Sublimitate 9:9). Since it is known that the work of Pseudo-Longinus was written in consequence of Caecilius' treatise on the same subject, it has been suggested that he learned of this biblical verse from that source, but the possibility of his having acquired the information through other channels cannot be ruled out. Plutarch, in his Life of Cicero, tells of a joke by the Roman orator directed against the Jewishness of his contemporary, the quaestor Caecilius. As it is highly improbable that the latter was in fact a Jew, some scholars see in this account a confusion between the quaestor Caecilius and the Jewish writer of the same name. Caecilius was the first known European Jewish author who did not write on Jewish subjects. He is, moreover, a pioneer in the field of comparative literature. He was severely criticized by Plutarch, who undoubtedly owed much to him.

BIBLIOGRAPHY: M. Rothstein, in: Hermes, 23 (Ger., 1888), 1–20; H. Reinach, in: REJ, 26 (1893), 36–46; Schuerer, Gesch, 3 (1904), 629–33; Mutschmann, ibid., 52 (1917), 194ff.; Coulter, in: Greek, Roman and Byzantine Studies, 5 (1964), 197ff.; W. von Christ, Geschichte der griechischen Literatur, 2 pt. 1 (1920), 462–6; E. Ofenloch, Caecilii Calactini Fragmenta (1907), fragments of Caecilius' works; F. Jacoby, Fragmente der griechischen Historiker, 2 (1929), 911 no. 183; H. Leon, Jews of Ancient Rome (1960), 15–16.

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tttttttttt Oldest of the three primary monotheistic faiths; Judaism traces it's philosophy and tradition through the Torah and cultural roots to the Land of Israel. The great biblical personality (c. thirteenth century B.C.E.) who is credited with leading the people of Israel out of Egyptian bondage and teaching them the divine laws at Sinai. He is also described as first of the Jewish prophets. Throughout Jewish history he is the exalted man of faith and leadership without peer. Charlie292929 (talk) 11:29, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Charlie292929 (talk) 13:15, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

According to his biography contained in the tenth-century lexicon of Suidas, Caecilius, originally called Archagathus, was born a slave, and was a Jew by religion. There is no reason to doubt this statement – he was presumably the son of a man sold into slavery in Sicily who, when freed, adopted his patron's Roman name. Since only a few fragments of Caecilius' works have been preserved, it is not known whether his Judaism found expression in his writings. Interesting in this connection is the enthusiastic praise given by the author of a work of literary criticism, De Sublimitate (commonly referred to as "Pseudo-Longinus"), to the words of the "Jewish lawgiver" (Moses) which is a paraphrase of "And God said: 'Let there be light.' And there was light" (Gen. 1:3; cf. De Sublimitate 9:9). Since it is known that the work of Pseudo-Longinus was written in consequence of Caecilius' treatise on the same subject, it has been suggested that he learned of this biblical verse from that source, but the possibility of his having acquired the information through other channels cannot be ruled out. Plutarch, in his Life of Cicero, tells of a joke by the Roman orator directed against the Jewishness of his contemporary, the quaestor Caecilius. As it is highly improbable that the latter was in fact a Jew, some scholars see in this account a confusion between the quaestor Caecilius and the Jewish writer of the same name. Caecilius was the first known European Jewish author who did not write on Jewish subjects. He is, moreover, a pioneer in the field of comparative literature. He was severely criticized by Plutarch, who undoubtedly owed much to him. Charlie292929 (talk) 13:16, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please follow the instructions in the orange block message box instead of using {{help me}} and writing long repeated walls of text here. Keep the request concise. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 13:22, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Acroterion, at first glance, you may like to convert the block reason to "Persistent unsourced additions; edit warring at Lucius Caecilius Iucundus and Caecilius Iucundus Metellus". ~ ToBeFree (talk) 13:24, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Charlie292929, any further unblock requests not using the syntax displayed in the ~~orange "X"~~ block message by Acroterion will be removed without comment. This is the very minimum we require. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 13:32, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since the mobile design does not display the message in orange, and since the "X" may be invisible, I will copy the instructions below. I strongly recommend taking the time to do this on a desktop computer, not a mobile device, if anyhow possible. This is not a matter to be quickly resolved by typing on a phone.

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because your account is being used only for vandalism. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.

Thank you very much in advance. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 13:45, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok,I will try that on my computer. Thank you. Charlie292929 (talk) 13:51, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Surprise surprise. The vandal plays victim.

You are nothing but a liar. You was the one who vandalised the page by for some reason, tryng to hide the fact that he was Jewish. For what ever reason he was Jewish. You are a liar and q coward. Which does not surprise me one bit. Charlie292929 (talk) 11:22, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Attacks like that are why you will find it hard to raise an audience to even listen to your claim here, let alone convince them.

You are making a particularly extraordinary claim. As WP:RS and WP:BURDEN have always said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary sources. You are going to have to find such sources, to make them available to the audience of other editors (the primary sources ought to be mostly linkable), and to clearly point out, by quoting the relevant sections of text, just how this supports your claim. But saying only, "Josephus said this!!!" is unconvincing.

Angrily abusing all other editors here is just going to get your talk: page access withdrawn. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:22, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source - Virtual Jewish Library.

M. Rothstein, in: Hermes, 23 (Ger., 1888), 1–20; H. Reinach, in: REJ, 26 (1893), 36–46; Schuerer, Gesch, 3 (1904), 629–33; Mutschmann, ibid., 52 (1917), 194ff.; Coulter, in: Greek, Roman and Byzantine Studies, 5 (1964), 197ff.; W. von Christ, Geschichte der griechischen Literatur, 2 pt. 1 (1920), 462–6; E. Ofenloch, Caecilii Calactini Fragmenta (1907), fragments of Caecilius' works; F. Jacoby, Fragmente der griechischen Historiker, 2 (1929), 911 no. 183; H. Leon, Jews of Ancient Rome (1960), 15–16. Charlie292929 (talk) 11:25, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Virtual Jewish Library says.

Just link, don't copy copyrighted material into Wikipedia! Acroterion (talk) 12:49, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Given your behavior up the page, you won't be unblocked until you show signs that you'll abide by policies on no personal attacks, strict sourcing and no copyright violations. I will look into the VJL for content that might be useful, but I'm not inbclined to unblock you. Acroterion (talk) 12:51, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You do realize that more than one person might be named Caecilius, that a banker and a literary critic might not be the same person, and that Calacte and Rome aren't Pompeii? A better course would have been to write a new article about Caecilius of Calacte rather than trying to stuff it into an article about somebody else. Between your conflation of the Pompei Caecilius with the Calacte Caecilius, your belligerent behavior, your repeated copyright violations and your refusal to abide by sourcing policy, you will remain blocked. Abuse of this talkpage for personal attacks will end with removal of talkpage access. Acroterion (talk) 13:28, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We've had Caecilius of Calacte for years, since almost the start of WP (it's mostly lifted straight from the 1911 Britannica). He's also older than Lucius, enough to clearly pre-date the eruption. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:01, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And that article, for the correct person, has said he was a Jew for the past 17 years. Acroterion (talk) 18:10, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Some advice

It seems I have been mostly beaten to it, but Andy Dingley pointed me here after spotting that I had an appropriate username, so, Charlie:

There were a lot of Caeciliuses in ancient Rome: see Caecilia (gens) for a partial list.
As best as I can tell, there is absolutely no reason to believe that the Pompeiian banker L. Caecilius Iucundus was Jewish.
Caecilius of Calacte, who was a Jew, is not the same person as Caecilius Lucius Iucundus.
Wikipedia's article on Caecilius of Calacte does already say that "According to the Suda, he was of the Jewish faith."
If you are unblocked, in future, if your edits are reverted it is always better to discuss on the talk page and get consensus for your edits, rather than revert warring in the face of warnings; doing so will only get you blocked.
If you want to be unblocked, read our page on appealing blocks, and then leave a message using Template:Unblock on this page. If you show that you understand why you were blocked, and promise not to revert war like you were at Lucius Caecilius Iucundus again, it is quite likely that the blocking admin will give you a chance to prove that you want to become a constructive editor.
If you do want to become a constructive editor, you may be interested in looking into Wikiproject Judaism, a group of editors interested in Wikipedia's coverage of Jews and Judaism.

Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 22:29, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]