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Müller

The actress who shares her given name with me: that would make a fine DYK about her leading the Courage cast if only it had an inline citation. I would do the rest ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:47, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it would be nice to find a source for that. I'll see if I can google something for it. Charles01 (talk) 13:29, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Done that. It's one of those evil google books sources that tends to disappear behind some obscure kind of paywall when you go to check it out six months later, but there's an isbn as well, so anyone with access to a good library who really cares can check it out that way. Not sure I should be so easily bribed with the DYK promise ... though. How about some men? No, don't worry about that! There are many more important things to worry about. Regards Charles01 (talk) 13:46, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

I did a man ;) - I have almost no time for DYK, having set myself a goal of an GA per week, and an extra for feast days such as today, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:23, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

She is nominated, Template:Did you know nominations/Gerda Müller. The next one you can do yourself. You go the the Main page, click on "nominate an article", there to "To nominate an article", enter its title and follow the prompting. When you have created the template, you ping me to check it, or insert it under the day of creation yourself, - it's easy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Noted. Many thanks. I'm still preoccupied by trams. Do you think there is systematic bias against engineering topics in Anglo-American wikipedia (and more generally in The Anglosphere)? I do, but with a degree in history and a career the most intellectually demanding bits of which involved variations on a theme of financial control, I don't really feel qualified to do too much about the engineering stuff. Still, my great grandfather did design railroads. Ho hum & happy day Charles01 (talk) 12:39, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

A Slave of Love

Hi, can you you do me a favour and translate the plot and production from German wiki?♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:20, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

I've done a para. See what you think. I'm slightly outside my comfort zone with movies (They used to give me headaches. More recently when taking the kids to the cinema I used to fall asleep after ten minutes...), but it's interesting stuff for all that. Pls let me know how you react to what I just did - ie as in literal translation vs smooth digestible English prose, or as between English vs American (given that you can't entirely avoid movie/film in this context). And there may very well be things I simply misunderstood, which someone more familiar with the movie context/genre (aka you?) would pick up as obvious nonsense. Be that as it may, I'll happily work through the next few paras (maybe with a respectful pause in case you have any inputs in response to this note). Regards Charles01 (talk) 17:22, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I've done as much as I intend to do with this (tho I reserve the right to correct any typoes in it that I come across). I've gone through the German text quite systematically and I think I've squeezed the beef out of it. I've also used - but NOT systematically pillaged - the Italian and Russian texts (where I think one is for the most part a copy of the other). Plus I think a bit of resequencing might be called for to improve the overall architecture of the piece: not sure where to start with that, though. Regards Charles01 (talk) 16:24, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the good edit summary

Thanks for noting in the edit summary that you moved from German Wiki. Many editors forget when moving or copying Wiki content. For example, this edit [1]. Makes the job of people looking for copyright violations easier. Thanks.--Lucas559 (talk) 02:45, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Perugia Cathedral

Hi, please use the revision history tags only to give detail about your edits and not to add commentary that would more suitable in a forum website. Just for your consideration, the actual position of the statue has the highest dignity because is facing the main square in front of the Fontana Maggiore. Check better your sources next time. --Grifomaniacs (talk) 15:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

It's not immediately clear to me what your purpose is with this, but if you want to correct, expand, or .... otherwise improve something that I contributed, please do it. There is nothing that any of us does that cannot be made better, I think. Success Charles01 (talk) 15:41, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

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I think sdomeone may have got in ahead of me and done it. Thank you. Charles01 (talk) 19:29, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

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Hi can you start this?♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:13, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but not this week! Best Charles01 (talk) 19:25, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Klaus Huhn for deletion

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Featuring your work on Wikipedia's front page: DYKs

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Rolf Schweizer

Hi, can you or Furius translate this?♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:07, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination

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I did it for you ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Still confused. But thank you much. Regards Charles01 (talk) 07:25, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Confused? You made a nice package (template), but to be seen it has to be placed in the nominations under the date of creation/expansion. That was a bit late now, but we will tell a reviewer about "new DYK user" if needed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:53, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Well, thank you. And now I have your kind and much appreciated attention, would you mind taking a moment to look at the message headed "Günther oder Günter" on the talk page of the German language article. I think you may have mother tongue German. Your German is self-evidently much better than mine in any case. I know that spelling of names was not always standardised/standardized, but in the twentieth century I thought it was. There is a part of my brain (though maybe only about 25%) that adheres to the idea that Ordnung muss sein, and part of that says that for Mr Stempel, Günther must be right AND Günter must be wrong ODER ungetauscht. Don't take too long thinking about it, but if there is something obvious (to you) here that I'm missing, I'd love to know what it is. Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 08:02, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Günter or Günther was on my unwritten to-do-list for later, Bach first, but ok, this one question: even in the twentieth century it was not standardized, and there's Schönberg vs. Schoenberg where you better know when in the person's life you are. I have friends both Günter and Günther, and some mind misspelling ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

major sources: Günter, Der Spiegel: Günther, - that is the more popular variant, - mistake or what I don't know, - stay Günter, with your sources, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:36, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I may not always be very observant about human reactions. I sometimes think a certain element of something approaching mild low-level autism (or worse) is an unwritten qualification for contributors to wikipedia. But even I have noticed that people's names matter to them.

(And yes, I too have known plenty of Günthers and Günters: I expressed myself badly there.)

Thanks again for picking up on this one. Regards Charles01 (talk) 08:41, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

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Rootes Group, Humber Limited

Greetings Charles01. Wondered if you would like to run a friendly but critical eye over these two articles particularly seeking omissions and confusions etc. Thanks and regards, Eddaido (talk) 11:08, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Rootes looks as if you've improved the structure a lot which is good. I'll try and take a longer look at this and at the Humber entry over the weekend. One logical disconnect comes in the very first para which presumably is read and also edited by more people than any other - each with different ideas about how the language is meant to work. It starts out by telling us there are two separate entities, (1) a car manufacturer and (2) a distributor/dealer. It then tells me, a couple of lines later, that in the decade starting 1928 Rootes began buying car companies. BUT I think it needs to be made clear WHO was buying car companies. Was it:

Rootes the car manufucturer

Rootes the dealer/distributor

Bill Rootes (whom we have yet to have introduced to us at this stage in the article)

none of the above

I'll maybe find more irritating questions later. But I may not. I have to go and collect Robert from the station now, but I have skimmed most of it and it looks fine, at least on a brief encounter! Success Charles01 (talk) 16:12, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I've a nasty feeling I've started fiddling with the syntax without actually improving anything which is a dead waste of everyone's time especially mine. Maybe my head will be clearer in the morning. (Takeaway Chinese supper tonight with our neighbour which will be (1) good and (2) unhealthy: sad how the two so often travel together.) Charles01 (talk) 16:30, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Your sure touch just what is needed. I've made some more changes. Please feel free to amend as you see fit. In the inbox alongside Founder I have added Reggie. Maybe I should not have. Two years younger and with a war on he was in the Admiralty until 1919. Your move. Must do an article for Reg unless you would like to do it. Hope supper was every bit as good as promised. Its 6:20 pm and I've done no exercise at all today beyond stepping outside to clear the letterbox.  : ) Eddaido (talk) 06:23, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

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Beautifully appointed Disclaimer

Hi Charles. You seem to be once again making the mistake you used to make years ago at Daimler. You seem to assume that I have re-written (or even read!) the whole article. I do these things piece-meal. If someone wants to say (or remove) beautifully appointed I let them. At the same time I remember that Humber's "beautifully appointed" cars were made by Thrupp & Maberly and used at Buckingham Palace or wherever. Not to mention transport the Prime and other senior ministers of the Crown. Warm regards, Eddaido (talk) 04:32, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes. I do tend to write "you", addressing the person whose changes I am changing without bothering to go through the edit history to find out the wiki identity of the person I am addressing. Though sometimes you can tell from the way a thing is written. Sometimes, self evidently, not. Best Charles01 (talk) 08:02, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

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Sources

Template:Did you know nominations/Günter Stempel: can you find/add sources? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

I've added one more. A lot of the core info is in sources already shown, but I've not been entirely systematic about entering a source link after each period/full-stop. Mea culpa. And of course a lot of the best online sources are necessarily in German which for some purposes may count as the "wrong language".... Maybe I'll come back to it tonight. Thanks for your inputs. I think it's coffee time. Best Charles01 (talk) 17:12, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Small Snipe preparing for metamorphosis

Or is it transmutation? A smoker by the nicotine on the teeth. Best, Eddaido (talk) 23:32, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Günter Stempel

Thanks for helping with the main page of Wikipedia Victuallers (talk) 13:27, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't aware that I had been near the main page of Wikipedia, but if you tell me that I do too much of what I do on auto-pilot .... well, yes indeed. Anyhow, if you like something I did, I'm glad of it, and thank you for the thank you. Tho' I'm still not entirely convinced that you didn't send your message to the "wrong" person. Happy day, either way. Charles01 (talk) 08:29, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Look! - Excellent, thank you, - more please ;)--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it seems to have had a good outcome, which may be is more than you can say for Stempel's fate as a politician, alas. Maybe I'll submit a few more, tho' given the constraints on one's available wiki time .... I'm off to upload some pictures of cars which, I fear, just might be higher up my own list of "interesting stuff" than on yours! But of course the infinite - well, closer to infinite than most of us would otherwise get - variety of Wikipedia is one of its joys. Good things. Charles01 (talk) 08:29, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK for George Livesey

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William Duffus Hunt

I know this biography can be improved but I cannot decide where or how. What do you think? Cheers, Eddaido (talk) 10:18, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

It seems to have been nicely started off, partly by you. If you've run out of inspiration on it, the best answer is to go away and start something else. You may find if you come back to it a week later your subconscious brain has had some ideas for improvement while you were away/asleep.

If you're too impatient for that, the you need to find a way to attract other enthusiast-contributors (or at least potentially interested parties) to the subject. Entering it to those "project categories" on the talk page is one way to do that. Maybe that's how you picked up on it? Though if you did, you're the first since 2012 to have added substantially in terms of text. Pity there doesn't seem to be a Wikipedia Project Farming. But I'm not the one to start that one. Don't think you are either.

Otherwise, as a device for getting more people to look at it (some of whom might contribute usefully) you could try nominating it for Wikipedia:Did you know. I've only recently discovered this, having till a couple of months ago thought it had something to do with the Readers' Digest. But if you read and inwardly digest what it says on the Wikipedia page, then you'll know as much as I do about it. I nominated en entry I started on Günter Stempel for a dyk billing, feeling a bit of a twit as I did so for nominating an entry I'd started myself. But it did attract some (on balance seriously helpful) inputs from other people, which is good.

Success Charles01 (talk) 10:46, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Tell me, is there in some 19th century novel like Tale of Two Cities —or something by Hugo? where one Englishman identifies another in Paris by speaking the code words "Quelle heure est-il Monsieur?"? This is bothering me and you may know. Eddaido (talk) 11:00, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Not as far as I know, but alas I almost certainly wouldn't. I guess Hugo wasn't on the O-level/A-level syllabus in my time. Dickens was, which completely turned me off him - that and/or the man's intolerably sanctimonious "self-belief". Yours looks like a question for Mr Google. Regards Charles01 (talk) 11:31, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Hmmm I've been reading up about the Scarlet Pimpernel in Wikipedia. Trouble is, WP and Mr Google etc tend to reflect the interests of the main participants. What is needed is the kind of bright young undergrad also with good general knowledge able to withstand these quiz games one sees so much of these days on tv, well until the present millennium (its 2015!) provided a filtering process. I must try harder. Eddaido (talk) 11:35, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

If I remember rightly the correct response to the above question was along the lines of "it is time for the people to rise against their oppressors" or the like. Eddaido (talk) 23:13, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

I think I was more comfortable with John Stuart Mill myself. But maybe that's simply how it looks from the perspective provided by advancing years. Charles01 (talk) 07:24, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Wolseley Hornet

I need help with this article. A great amorphous heap of facts its got too many failings altogether. You might say I've got started and now lost enthusiasm. Wouldn't you like to have a try to set the story out better? Should there be a separate article for the Sedan version? Eddaido (talk) 23:11, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

It's a lot better than the entries most cars from the 1930s get. I agree that the overall effect is a bit clunky, but the price is well worth paying: you shouldn't wish to lose information in order to reduce clunkiness, and I'm not sure a complete re-write from me (or from you or from anyone else) would necessarily do the business. When it comes to the detail, you're a lot closer to this stuff than I am. If you really want to do a rewrite (you do?) I guess the approach to take is the one they taught us at school for history essays. Start with a structure so that you know where every para will be and what it will contain. Decide early on whether you want to structure it according to chronology or themes or (more dangerously) both. And if both make sure the two structures are consistently nested one within the other. List all the points and make sure each one fits into one of the slots that by now you have created in your framework. To that point, you shouldn't have written a single line of grown up prose. But once you are satisfied that framework is logical and coherent and you haven't lost anything that you shouldn't wish to lose, the entry should simply write itself. If it didn't, your preparation stage was rushed.... Now sit back and spend the next three years watching your respected wikipedia contributors trampling all over what you just did. BUT generally, if the logic of the structure is sufficiently self-evident, most of the contributions from others will be genuine improvements of the kind you'd have included yourself if you'd thought of it.....

I might be inspired to tweak the odd bit of syntax here and there, but till now the necessary inspiration hasn't struck. Otherwise, I come back to an earlier theme. If you return to this after a pause of a week - or indeed of six months - you will find your brain has refined some of the structures while you were looking the other way. You may find others have introduced improvements some of which genuinely make the entry better. Or you may not. Either way, none of these wiki-entries ever reaches perfection, and you put unnecessary pressure on yourself if you set yourself a lot of targets along the road towards perfection.

Meantime, here's a picture of a Riley Elf of which I am slightly more than averagely happy. It's such an ugly little mutt that it's very hard to get any sort of picture that doesn't simply generate mild aesthetically driven mental nausea. Ach, but that is not the generation of Wolseley Hornet that interests you? Best Charles01 (talk) 07:24, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Nice car, beautiful background. Great photo. Why have you had those hurdles put up? Don't think they'd keep much out. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 07:44, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. The hurdles are intended to separate the old cars from the old planes. And thanks for an excuse to put up another picture of a car (this time with a plane in the background). Like most fencing, the hurdles operate primarily by the consent of those fenced (or hurdled). Also they (the hurdles) are a great place to hang notices pointing to the exit and / or the toilets, and a great place to hang plastic bin bags where, Belgians being generally tidier folk than my fellow Brits, most of the rubbish ends up. And - provided you're careful - you can lean on them. Best Charles01 (talk) 08:32, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

That's right. Looks like you have managed to snap one of my (hoodied) family on tour in Europe, resting before resuming the journey to the toiletten. Great photo too. Have a nice new week, Eddaido (talk) 09:05, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Hans van der Laan

It was v courteous of you to ask. I was still expecting to deal with it, but prob from the Dutch article, not the German one, as I am having difficulty sourcing it. I think Dr B has been a bit premature, as there is still a week to go to the end of the month! If you want to take it on, please do, as I am not on Wikipedia much at the moment. Eustachiusz (talk) 14:48, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks. I'm not sure I'll get round to it this month, but will probably at least try and make a start. The Dutch entry appears to be reassuringly shorter than the German one, so I agree that looks like the place to start, though possibly coming back afterwards through the prism of the German one to find out how much of it I've misunderstood the first time round..... The French entry is oddly mathematical which alas takes me a long way outside my comfort zone. Actually it - the mathematical stuff - looks disarmingly logical to this non-specialist, but I'm not sure it would stay that way if one started trying to check out / google sources linking the architect to the maths. Just thinking on paper. Regards Charles01 (talk) 15:13, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

If you would give me till the end of the week, I have the Dutch one already half-done - if it's not going to happen may I let you know then? Eustachiusz (talk) 00:46, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Of course. I had the feeling that you might already have made progress on this "out of [my] sight". I'm helping (well, I hope it can be helpful) one of the children with a house move over the next few days and will find eminently resistable any temptation to wiki-look again at Hans van der Laan, while wondering how / whether / where in the car to pack a duvet and assorted cooking pots retrieved from last year's student digs. My wife is Dutch and we never really settled between us whether for practical purposes the week ends at the end of Saturday or at the end of Sunday. But looking at the way August is shaped this year, (you and) I don't need to think about that till English "Bank Holiday Monday". Success Charles01 (talk) 06:13, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Done, at least to the extent of a face-saving stub, for bulking out as and when. Good luck with the move! Eustachiusz (talk) 02:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I'll try and take a look later in the week. Thanks for the update. Best Charles01 (talk) 03:24, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks. Yes the "exact text" in question is of course the text from German wikipedia which I pasted in anticipation of doing a quick 'n dirty translation. There might be an issue if that German wikipedia entry was a copy and paste job from somewhere else. My initial suspicion is that both the German language wiki entry and the source to which Coren's dysfunctional toy linked it are copy and paste jobs, wholly or in part, from a third source. Anyhow, I am really not competent to opine on German copyright law. No doubt there are more than enough of people contributing to German Wikipedia who are.

As far as English language wikipedia is concerned, I think it unlikely that an English language summary / paraphrase using a completely different language and therefore by definition completely different words and syntax would fall foul of any relevant copyright law. If it did, then we would all have to stop sourcing anything to anything. Anyhow for better and / or worse I have plenty of other stuff to do and I'm inclined to let Coren sort out his own mess with this one. One of the problems with Coren's toy is that it tends to pick up things where other web sites have copied and pasted from wikipedia, which is immediately apparent if a member of the human race is involved, but until he debugs the thing, or unless he can be arsed to apply any intellectual talent of his own before sending out random robotic messages, his chief contribution with the thing is as a major waste of time. Just an opinion, you understand .... Thanks again for your characteristically and commendably temperate spelling out of how the world must look from Coren's toybox. Regards Charles01 (talk) 00:12, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

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Vans

Re Hans van der Laan, I followed the usage in the Dutch article: "van" where the name is given in full, but "Van" where the surname stands alone. I suppose in Dutch it helps the surname stand out from normal text, but perhaps we don't need to do it in English, as the word "van" is any case distinctive.Eustachiusz (talk) 21:47, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I guess following the Dutch wiki-usage makes sense, tho' it would be interesting to know whether the treatment on the Dutch wiki page reflects general Dutch custom (or even a "rule") or some more approximate aggregation of thought processes. My usual source on such matters is away for a long weekend staying with my mother in law in ... the Netherlands, but I suspect she might come with a thoughtful answer along the lines "on the one hand ... on the other ... ". Sadly for me, I don't have the depth of knowledge on my own account to have any very fixed opinion of my own on this! Regards Charles01 (talk) 06:12, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Flicking at random through the Dutch Wiki it seems to be a convention there, but I've no idea either whether it's a more general rule in the wide world beyond. I'd be very interested to hear of any further clarification from an informed source!Eustachiusz (talk) 10:57, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Hans Werner Kettenbach

Hi, can you translate that from German wiki and add to the potted biography extras?♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:34, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Certainly. Regards Charles01 (talk) 12:24, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Decauville

Thought you might like this / these very composed old motorists and their conveyance. Eddaido (talk) 07:56, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Most impressive in several ways. Do you suppose it was a black and white photo that was carefully inked over? Or does the colour come from computer shenanigans of a much more recent vintage. Either way, I don't think it entirely does away with the pained expressions, especially of the lady back right. Did they still have to sit absolutely sill for 60 seconds in 1903? Maybe it was down to just a few seconds by then. I'm shamefully ignorant about some of these time lines.

Best Charles01 (talk) 09:46, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Me too but I think it is a genuine forerunner to the glossy magazines. I don't know if you had previously heard of this person but as I remember it his father made a truly immense fortune around the time of that photo because he developed the process and ran the business that did the printing. i.e. he was a colour printer and securely fenced in by patents. That will have been an inserted page I imagine. Just an ad for Deauville cars possibly subsidised by the printer?
I think the faces are a lot of fun. Letting the imagination run amok: They are identical twins 16. Mother knows the driver a great deal better than she should know that level of employee. They have just been turned away from a side entrance to Schloss Charlemagne. But mother has called out "Plan B" to the man at the wheel and they are off to find another way in. Poor girls. Eddaido (talk) 10:53, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for bringing me into the loop on this. I'm still hazey (though less than I once was) on this dyk stuff, but if it will encourage more people to look at the entry and improve it, what's not to like?

On the concern - I think yours - that it's a translation from German wikipedia and therefore not a new entry, if you look more closely I think you'll see that I took quite a lot of the factoids from sources as indicated, including many that never (yet) made it to the German wiki equivalent entry: maybe I should have spelled that out more strongly on the affected edit summaries. Either way, on "how much is enough?" ..... I guess that's a judgement, and I claim no special insights on wiki rules and guidelines nor (which can be even more weird and wonderful) their interpretation! Thanks again and best wishes Charles01 (talk) 10:16, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you. Looks like my moment for another "proof read"! Regards Charles01 (talk) 14:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Sandbox

CO#1 I send greeting. Please would you check my sandbox and tell me what you think and none of this diplomatic stuff, please. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 00:28, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

I did look at it and then got called away before replying. Mes excuses as they say somewhere or other. My immediate reaction, which you won't be able to avoid addressing once promoting these entries beyond the Sandbox, was "what is it?" But I think it seemed to look like progress. And sources permitting there are gaps for someone - you? but not necessarily you - to fill in with links to some new potted biographies. I've rather taken to potted biographies. (and helpful subheadings.... UNdiplomatic enough?) Success! Charles01 (talk) 14:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

I do not understand it was like being in a different universe or parallel world. this is the page I wanted you to look at! Nice if you could re-glance. Many thanks, Eddaido (talk)

PS and please explain to me how the different pages occur —the parallel universes I mean. D

Looks good to me.

I think I arrived at the wrong page before because of differing assumptions over whether I was looking for "sandbox" or "Sandbox".)

Best Charles01 (talk) 15:40, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, and thank you and thanks too for that upper case S. Something new every day. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 22:36, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Franciscans

Hi Charles. I notice some more monasteries at Intertranswiki. I should mention that Franciscans don't have abbeys or monasteries (as they are not monks) but friaries, so herewith forewarning that I'll be renaming the Franciscan-related articles. I wanted to explain in advance why! Best wishes, Eustachiusz (talk) 14:04, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Just looking through the first, I've encountered the wonderful word "Stichkappentonnengewölbe", which I am tempted to take as my user name! Eustachiusz (talk) 14:15, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

... has potential. But maybe you should consult the cat first. Those guys can be devlish pricklyCharles01 (talk) 14:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. If not monasteries then what? There's the German word "Stift" but for English wikipedia that seemed likely to flag more questions that it answers. No, don't bother to answer: I'll see what soon enough, and look forward to learning from you.

Self evidently, if you feel like translating a couple or six of the redlinks remaining over the next couple of weeks .... well, don't let me stop you. The Head of School (sorry - just been sharing a "siesta" with Private Eye which always takes me back into my distant youth) asked me to list another ten for September, so I did, and I don't exactly mind doing them all, but (1) I think you may have more of the appropriate background knowledge than I do and (2) I like variety and ten monasteries/notmonasteries in a month (with another ten in August - albeit shared between the two of us) doesn't feel too varied. Then again, no pressure. In the long run one likes to think it will all get done by you or me or someone else .... as and when.

Best Charles01 (talk) 14:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Perdrix, toujours perdrix...

I like monastery articles and would very much like to help out with them, but real life is extremely demanding at the moment. Nevertheless, if I can I certainly will.

As for the Franciscans, the cats are simply wrong: they are friars and have friaries. Sometimes, as their heads of house are priors (not abbots), they are described as priories (not abbeys), although this apparently tends to be used more for Dominicans (also friars). There is no set convention for these names in Wikiworld - everyone seems to do their own thing. But a sensible solution that takes into account both IRL usage and Wiki conventions seems to be that if there is just one friary (or indeed monastery) in a location Foo then the default name is usually simply Foo Friary (or Priory or Abbey, but rarely Monastery); but if there is more than one, then they can be disambiguated in various ways, as for example, Franciscan Friary, Foo, vs Carmelite Friary, Foo, or Dominican Priory, Foo; or sometimes St X's Priory, Foo, in a place with several religious houses or in cases where the dedication is genuinely the common name (which is not that often, at least in UK English: we prefer the placenames).

I'll comment further that I started working on non-UK religious houses because I foolishly thought it would be an area in which no-one else was interested, so it would be non-contentious, and for a couple of years it was. But there are all sorts of interests now involved - religious-sectarian, national-political, gender-diverse etc - and the fighting is sometimes very bitter.Eustachiusz (talk) 16:54, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Dacia 1300 estate

Dacia 1300 Estate in London, England (photographed 1982 or 1983)

Dacia 1300 saloon/sedan in Poiana Brasov, Romania (photographed early winter (before/between big snow falls) 1978 or 1979)

Hi. Re your picture of the Dacia 1300 Estate. Seems you snapped a very rare vehicle indeed. When was the photo taken, and did you by any chance take any other images? Any further details you could give would be hugely appreciated. Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.240.144.36 (talk) 16:32, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

I guess you mean this one. (If you don't, please read no further because my further thoughts will make no sense to you!)

You'll see that I took the picture more than 30 years ago. Things have changed a bit since then, and my memory is certainly incomplete and it MAY be incorrect. But I THINK I took the picture soon after I had got my first expensive camera (Olympus OM2N), and I walked through the more expensive central area of London photographing interesting things. For me interesting things meant interesting cars. I THINK this one may have been in or near the Kensington area of London. There were very few Dacias in England back then. I knew about the sedan/saloon version of this one because (1) I read about it in the motoring press and (2) I'd seen one - this one (lower picture) - in Romania. (I worked at that time in the travel trade.)

I think the Dacia estate photographed in or near Kensington may have been parked in or near the Romanian embassy in London. Maybe someone was on a trade mission from Bucharest to investigate organising an importer and a dealer network in the UK? Maybe the ambassador was a car enthusiast who had driven across from Bucharest to see if he could? I have no idea how or why the car was in England, but I do not THINK this type of car was ever sold in the UK formally.

Because I have photographed the car from the side, I GUESS there were other cars parked close to it behind and in front. I do not know what nationality of license plate it had. From the angle of the sun (and what I remember of my office hours then) it was taken late afternoon, probably after leaving the office in later summer (17.30 - 19.30 (the English time zone is an hour different from the one in the rest of western Europe)) I do not have any other pictures of this car. I do not think I ever took any others.

That's all I know / remember. And I reserve the right to have misremembered. Thank you for being interested! Regards Charles01 (talk) 06:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Wonderful! Thanks v much. Fascinating. Trade mission sounds about right. It shows a few features unique to UK-market Dacias (the rubber mouldings and the roof rack) which were fitted at the importers', in Yeovil. But the only Dacia saloons and estates sold over here were the later 1310 model. What an interesting vehicle!

The one you snapped in Romania is also quite special: non-standard bumpers, paint and wheels, which would have made it stand out from the crowd. Licence place was issued in around 1974. Did you see anything else interesting around on your visit? Thanks & regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.240.144.36 (talk) 14:21, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Interesting. I like the way you communicate enthusiasm. Thanks. The one I snapped in Romania was driven by a man playing a leading part in opening up a new ski resort, Poiana Brasov. I knew he must have a very important job because he drove a new car, which back then not too many people did. I cannot imagine what he did to deserve nonstandard bumpers, though. Did I see anything else interesting on the visit? Probably, but I don't know what. I must have photographed one or two more or less finished hotels, but I don't know what happened to those pictures.

Otherwise, if "interesting", means "Romanian cars", here's an Oltcit I photographed in northern France a couple of years later (and appear to have mis-spelled for the file name). It's not a very good picture: the sun was in the wrong place, but it has rarity value. We never got many Oltcits in western Europe. If "interesting" simply means "interesting" .... well, here's a picture I took earlier this year (2015) of a Beetle replacement that never made it to production. And here's a link [3] to all the pictures I ever uploaded to wikipedia (except for one or two that I deleted when better ones came along). But ... please infer no disrespect (to either of us) when I acknowledge that you probably should have many more important things to do than follow it. Regards Charles01 (talk) 13:52, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Godfrey Baseley

Hi there. Sorry about this, but this was such a long time ago that I have forgotten the information you seek. Again I apologise because of this. ISD (talk) 15:27, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Thomas Bell (antiquarian) has been nominated for Did You Know

Thank you. Looks like I need to go back and see if I can find any more typoes to fish out. Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 15:38, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

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Ilanz "Abbey"

No worries - I'm leaving this one well alone! it's an important house and community, and the de-Wiki article is far too long a translation for me to undertake at the moment. If Blofeld can wait for a few days until the real end of the month, however, I'll do something for Torba.

Also, I'm not quite sure what to call it. It's not an abbey, as the head of the house is not an abbess but a prioress, so "Ilanz Priory" would be fine formally. Dominican women's comunities seem mostly to be referred to as "Convent", although the form "[Placename] Convent" is in the range "peculiar" to "incorrect". If you can confirm as you work through it that the dedication is to Saint Joseph, as seems likely from a very quick glance, then my best suggestion, if you wanted an alternative to "Ilanz Priory", would be "Convent of St. Joseph, Ilanz" or "St. Joseph's Convent, Ilanz", depending on your personal preference. Eustachiusz (talk) 13:13, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. On what to call the Ilanz establishment, I guess that when I see the word "nun", then I default to the word "convent", though I think that has more to do with what (I assume) my mother or father must have told me when I was five than with any insights garnered from a nun or a monk. Anyhow, I will certainly on this occasion default to one of your recommendations. Unless POWERFULLY diverted by source notes. Which in this case seems unlikely since presumably things googled are unlikely to be in English, and if they are in English they will most likely be a translation undertaken by someone whose mother tongue is Swiss German or Italian, and for whom English is a third or fourth language. Ach ... just musings.

I'll probably start it tomorrow, but I'll remove that note now. The "risk" that anyone else might start Ilanz seems quite small.

Enjoy Torba.

Best Charles01 (talk) 13:25, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

I saw your comment about the question mark over St Josef / -ph, and your solution is a good one! but better lose the "The" in the article title, as there are very firm rules about when a definite articles can be used there, and this one doesn't fit the criteria. Best wishes, Eustachiusz (talk) 12:35, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Singering

by one of WM's better photographers

Hi there Charles01. I wonder if you might be able to assist me. I search for someone with a high level of diplomatic skills. This is because I find on this page three photographs that appear to date a particular vehicle to 1941. This is simply not a possible production date for reasons I will not enter into at this moment in time ever being in need of refuge.

I should think it is a modified version of one of these (which might be familiar to you) because of how it differs in the front, may I say, wings. (The (well, OK, pretty) helmet shaped cycle guards are so oddly supported they can only have been added by someone without knowledge of the right method of doing it). And its date is therefore circa 1933. So different from 1941 (sigh).

So I'd be very pleased if you might find you're able to make an appropriate approach to that particular editor to learn more. He/she may in fact know more than has been added to the metadata or whatever it is called. PS you are allowed to decline this mission and then there'll be no penalty. Yrs sincerely etc. Eddaido (talk) 05:33, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

I thought Rootes switched over to wartime production pretty promptly in 1939 which means it is unlikely hat this car was manufactured in 1941, though I suppose it might have been sitting unregistered in a shed for a couple of years. Is that the point? I know Ryton was a "shadow factory" but did they build any cars there before the war, or did it go directly into aircraft production? In which case, where, if not at Ryton, were those Singers (and Hillmans and Humbers) made in the 1930s?.

Also, old footage of politicians during the war sometimes shows them getting in and out of big old Humbers. Did those come from prewar production, or was there some distant plant quietly trickling out fresh new minted big Humbers during the war?

On a related matter, did you see this? I'd never heard of the Singer 10, but it looks like a real car. Have you heard of it.

Back on the fellow uploading the pictures of the little roadster Singer with the 1941 production year, I think there are a probably in German wiki at least for that particular entry, already too many pictures of virtually the same model, but I wouldn't presume to do anything about it. There are plenty of perfectly reliable people contributing on cars in German wiki who have mother tongue German which I don't. If you simply want me to translate "Why do you think these cars were registered in 1941? I thought they'd stopped making these cars by the end of 1939 because of the war." .... well, yes, I can do that. But I don't know enough about history of Singer wartime production to become usefully involved in any follow up discussion. Regards Charles01 (talk) 06:19, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. It seemed like a good idea at the time. Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 07:50, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Köpenick's week of bloodshed

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Many thanks. Regards Charles01 (talk) 19:19, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Bell (antiquarian)

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And again .. thank you. Success Charles01 (talk) 19:19, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Oscar Schlitter has been nominated for Did You Know

I don't really talk to bots. It can sometimes be hard enough trying to remember that there's a member of the human race behind a "normal" wiki-user name, but maybe it's irrational or even plain mean for me to attribute a lesser status to a mere "bot". I did find the Oscar Schlitter entry more interesting than some. And it could be construed as ungrateful to ignore youir notification. So thank you. And happy (within reason) botting. Charles01 (talk) 06:58, 29 September 2015 (UTC)