Template:Did you know nominations/Günter Stempel
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The result was: promoted by ~ RobTalk 17:25, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
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Günter Stempel
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Günter Stempel
- ... that Günter Stempel (pictured) was a victim of political repression in the German Democratic Republic and the Soviet Union?
Created/expanded by Charles01 (talk). Nominated by Charles01 (talk) at 06:41, 21 July 2015 (UTC).
Looks good; new enough, long enough, no close paraphrasing on spot checks. Hook is cited to an offline source (Google Books didn't want me to read it for some reason), so I have to give the AGF tick, but looks good. Raymie (t • c) 05:47, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I keep passing this by as I build prep sets. The hook is very dry, even with the image. Paragraph 3 under "Life" lacks any cites, per DYK rules. Yoninah (talk) 21:07, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Charles01 and Yobot: Pinging both article creators, as it's been around a week since the last action on this nomination. Awaiting the changes described above. ~ RobTalk 12:22, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
- Watching: as far as I know, this is the nominator's first nom. Can you please help with wording other hooks if you think it's necessary? (I don't.) - I have no idea how Yobot got into the credits ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:13, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
- I can't do anything about the paragraph without cites. But I can propose an ALT:
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... that German politician Günter Stempel (pictured) was arrested and deported to Siberia for voting against an Election Law that required voters to vote for or against a party list under the watchful eye of election officials?Yoninah (talk) 16:12, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
It's not completely clear from the article that he was arrested for voting, only that it happened at some unspecified point after voting, and the description of the subsequent trial indicates far more serious issues at work. - Dravecky (talk) 21:28, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- The sources don't always spell out the causal relationships. Sources tend to be in German and to presuppose a level of background knowledge about what was going on in East Germany that would be 'normal' for someone who grew up in Germany (east or indeed west). If you translate this stuff from German wiki into English wiki you are addressing an audience for some of whom "the East German dictatorship" is a bit of a specialist area aka a great big unknown. To some extent you can get round that by adding context with links to other wiki entries so that people interested can click and check out some of what was going in with the Soviets and the Stasi and a whole lot of other things some of which didn't get too much publicity in the English language (or indeed the German language) sources at the time (or indeed subsequently), and for which the publicity/source info we can access from books written after 1989, inevitably, will come with an agenda that is shaped by subsequent events. But obviously contextualising needs to be kept to a minimum or you risk drifting beyond the scope of the subject identified at the top of the page. There are some ticklish judgements in there, but you come back to depending on available sources, and on linkable reasonable quality existing wiki entries on related topics) that, in wikipedia terms, tends to define what you can write. Regards Charles01 (talk)
