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Again, welcome! Jetstreamer ^Talk 21:19, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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>Goes into user's recent contribs
>Fishes for contribs to rapidly revert while paying no mind to what the page actually looks like
>Big textboxes (full of sources) too confusing therefore they must be wrong
>Removes sources in the process of reverting
>Has the nerve to remind them to state sources
>[Or maybe it's that they become unsourced changes if I revert and remove the source]
>Has the nerve to accuse them of disruptive editing via largely irrelevant canned text and/or a template
K.

I'm sure many will agree that that style of text has no place on Wikipedia (or many websites), however coming from myself, that's the way I'd like to put it. In all seriousness, I needed a break from this hellsite after learning that one doesn't have to be on an article with a highly contested subject matter (usually political) to run into entitled, revert happy users that can't seem to cite specific guidelines like WP:AIRPORT or WP:NOTTRAVEL in their edit summaries that the user seems to be violating (in which I wasn't, by the way), or to sign on a user's talk page. Seeing your edits get reverted afterward and you getting shut down when trying the same thing on the user who reverted you, has shown me that it's okay for myself to get right back into it.

On the subject:
• Through this canned text, you wished to discuss the content of my edits on articles you reverted...probably. As the one who rapidly reverted my edits and who had some sort of problem with the content I contributed, it's also on you to tell me what that is, and their specifics. You didn't, nor showed you were seeking consensus.

You seemed to enjoy using Wikipedia for these purposes; would you like to donate to Wikpedia in my stead this year (an otherwise annual donation) as well? ChainChomp2 (talk) 02:20, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Image is now in order, many thanks! ChainChomp2 (talk) 06:23, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Of the editors I've seen on this website, you seem to be the only one to shut down Planespotters as a source by calling it unreliable, but between the times I've been reverted (and further up to now) I don't believe I've ever seen you lead by example and suggest an alternative, such as airfleets. Have you considered that Planespotters has its own system of submitting corrections with verifiable sources, such as articles or photographs before information is updated? Meanwhile there have been four Iberia A330-200s operating under Level since July, but it's telling that after all this time you'd rather leave Iberia (airline)'s fleet table unsynced with that of Level (airline brand)'s, while hiding behind more canned texts akin to Norwegian Air Shuttle's social platform customer service. The juxtaposition with the initial "welcome" on this talk page is ironic. ChainChomp2 (talk) 18:03, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Amended in revision as of 04:11, 31 May 2020 (UTC) for the purpose of records; cheers. ChainChomp2 (talk) 06:39, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Just to point out that it is the person who adds or changes detail that must back this up with citations. This is uncontroversial. It is clear that anyything that does not maybe indeed should be deleted. Those who do not reference detail properly are the lazy ones. It is not up to anyone else to tidy up after other people's mess. Andrewgprout (talk) 08:05, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you think the {{cn}} tag exists? Though that's beside the point; this is more about how in the case that someone does provide one, the reverting party can suddenly decide that the content as a whole should not be added for an entirely new reason, before deleting it, tag-bombing with synthesis/original research templates, or sending threats to talk pages (or all of the above). This telegraphed and reactionary behavior succeeds if by being taken less and less seriously over time.

I would suggest perhaps mentioning up-front that you don't want certain content to be maintained, or even presented at all, though someone's done that already. ChainChomp2 (talk) 12:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for the notification, I have now contributed to the proposal at its talk page, or can begin the integration process myself if there is additional input necessary. ChainChomp2 (talk) 09:22, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Please remember Wp:BURDEN is a thing. It is your responsibility to reference the detail you add, please do so. Anything not properly referenced can and should be deleted particularly if it is not particularly encyclopaedic detail. Getting shitty in your edit summaries is only hurting you. Maybe there are better things that you could be doing that adding unencyclopaedic detail to Wikipedia. Andrewgprout (talk) 07:39, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I mixed up the historical and current fleets, adding them together. Planespotters is not a good reference. They are slow to update. A few days ago they showed 3 aircraft for Lynx and our article and Transport Canada showed 4. The fleet number reference should go in the infobox and there are multiple other references there. Things should not be bold as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Text formatting#When not to use boldface. 1263343 Alberta Inc. isn't a redirect so it's not in bold but "New Air & Tours" does redirect there so it is bold. References should be next to what they are referencing so the seats reference go with the passenger box. One thing I missed until now is that because Wikipedia is a generalist encyclopedia the link for aircraft should not go to the variant. In some cases the link to the variant leads to things like "Turbocharged version of the PA-39 Twin Comanche C/R" which is of no help to the general reader. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 07:30, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! While I hear you with the bolded text, some of the things incorporated in the article are still not standard (or common) practices, such as left-aligning text in fleet tables or smaller things (like displaying "Boeing 737 MAX" in the fleet table instead of "Boeing 737 MAX 8" since there's a MAX 7 through 10, but maybe this part was a typo in the display and it can certainly link to the 737 MAX article but display as MAX 8). When I checked the Infobox airline template documentation, I saw that it does list the "image2" parameter possibly suiting a photo to demonstrate livery, but more often than not I will see the infobox contain only the logo and any photos placed in the Fleet or History sections; although some cases either may occur where Air Canada's or WestJet's infoboxes only have the logo while Air Canada Express's or WestJet Encore's have an aircraft photo. In contrast there's how American Airlines, Delta Air Lines or United Airlines as well as their regional brands American Eagle (airline brand), Delta Connection and United Express contain only a logo image in theirs. WP:ALFC does list left-aligning text for the fleet tables, but again what I often see or say is that the column content is centered, like at Air Canada fleet or WestJet#Fleet. When I refer to them I'm indicating the formatting should be consistent, i.e. Lynx/Flair should (ideally) align left if the larger and more established articles do the same, or vice versa, but they center-align table text. As you might've seen, I was going to leave the aircraft photo in Flair's infobox and was not the one who most recently removed it, though I did place it in the Fleet section when re-adding it to the article given at least one other editor did not feel it belonged there. For aliasing citations in the infobox or even the article lead, again this seems to vary in practice from article to article or section to section, though part of what I discussed with a previous editor on the Lynx article involved the text body and sections doing most of the "citing" and the article's lead/infobox being a "summary" of this information, while specific things not restated like the AOC or codes/callsign may be cited if potentially "challenged" enough.

On some articles like EasyJet UK, Icelandair, Norse Atlantic Airways, or Play (airline), editors may often add the seating counts/configurations off seat maps on the reservation system, and they may not always have in-line citations, or simply list a primary reference for the entire section after just the section lead for the fleet (e.g. G-INFO), destinations (e.g. the airline's timetable or route map), or some companies like PLAY or Norse may not state each and every capacity outright outside of seat maps, or other citations in their articles may mention it. When it comes to citing, different editors may cite different Wikipedia guidelines, but the most prevalent "interpretation" I see is a citation is only needed if it's a claim that may more often than not be questioned, and even this can vary from user to user. (You can see in previous messages I've received here just how argumentative some are about "uncyclopedic content" or enforcing their own standards, or revert you until you cite something, but once you do, it's "uncyclopedic" and removed, even within the same "type" of information, but that's another subject and conversation.) Though whether an airline's aircraft seats "this" count or "that" count doesn't seem to be as "heated" a point of contention if the airline lists seat maps while booking (though it is nice that Flair and Lynx write a number somewhere on their website either way), or how these other articles may not cite for seat counts.

Concerning Planespotters, it can list aircraft as "parked", but with COVID-19 it became prevalent enough where I'd observe editors including "parked" aircraft in the "in service" columns but not "stored" aircraft (Breeze Airways or especially Norwegian Air Shuttle and the mess the latter can be to cite anything, fall under these examples of "parked" aircraft being included). Planespotters itself has a "verifying with citations" process on submitting information and changes for display, and its use on Wikipedia may or may not come from how various countries (such as Norway) do not always conveniently have an online aircraft register database to cite, even if countries like Canada or the United Kingdom do, though I suppose that isn't as relevant to this as it concerns Canada. For Lynx, Planespotters probably won't need to be referred to to concern the "current" fleet as much as the previous Enerjet one given the Transport Canada database can exist as a primary source for this purpose. The "parked" 737 MAX it refers to (C-FULJ) was just delivered to Lynx last week, but still retains the Norwegian livery of its originally intended customer. Planespotters is actually wrong or outdated to list it as parked in this respect, and probably assumed the aircraft would spend some days being parked to be rebranded, whereas the plane has been operating flights for the airline this past week despite not being rebranded yet (though it may be doing this in order to cancel fewer flights, as many of these MAX deliveries have been quite delayed).

Anyway I understand this was a lot to write or is to read or it may have gone all over the place, but I do appreciate reaching out to my talk page in this respect, and hope this discussion gives more of an idea that WikiProject or Wikipedia guidelines and individual editor's standards can conflict even just beyond myself. ChainChomp2 (talk) 16:13, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When I added the image2 to {{Infobox airline}} I was thinking of {{Infobox airport}} which frequently has a logo and an image of the airport. I've updated the Infobox airline as a picture of the headquarters or a ticket counter may be better. As far as I understand there is no requirement to be consistent throughout Wikipedia and I rarely edit airlines outside of Canadian ones. I see that Planespotters uses Transport Canada (TC). SO I think that the airline is a primary source for the fleet, TC is a secondary and Planespotters a tertiary source. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 05:34, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Interesting threats, I can't tell if they're automated or canned; either way this reguritation of largely irrelevant text is more "disruptive" and patronizing than anything it's addressing, to the point I'm curious if you went through my edit history and skipped over edits that go against some of these fruitful accusations on my editing abilities in order to do so. Chances are, routes that have launched are going to have their references removed by someone else if not myself, given that over time, their operation arguably becomes less and less of a contested claim like what a citation would normally be associated with; if you are so insistent on whatever you're trying to impose, then perhaps you should find citations for every route in operation in every airport article in question. ChainChomp2 (talk) 05:50, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ever heard of a watchlist? And by now they are warnings. I am not an admin. The Banner talk 10:25, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds as though after returning from a break, that you "chose violence" as a certain meme goes. I did go to your Talk page initially before I was greeted with curiously well-cited instances of toxic behavior in targeting a user, so that told me there was little reason to take your regurgitation seriously. By all means, join the handful of users on this talk page in firing arbitrary allegations about various things but have it amount to little, if anything at all. ChainChomp2 (talk) 00:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just have a long watchlist. So today I noticed that you failed again in providing an independent source on Málaga Airport. One tiny sentence in a 36 page piece by the company itself. I hope you can replace it by an independent source soon. The Banner talk 11:22, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(don't use the) minor tag

Hi, I'd encourage you to not use the "minor" checkbox on your edits unless they truly qualify- see WP:MINOR. tedder (talk) 23:55, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds as though where the line is drawn is arbitrary and may differ from person to person; a lot of my edits can be things like extending citations (incorporating more information in them, such as author names, dates, the website/work), addressing typos, alphabetical ordering in tables, or other things like updating in the context of dates. These edits of mine come off to me as superficial and don't appear as though they would change the meaning of the article, but I would be open to other interpretations. Whereas other edits such as where I worked on multiple sections of the Air Japan or Norse Atlantic Airways articles, or redirecting List of Silver Airways destinations and its content to a section in the parent article (as it was nominated for deletion) I did not tag as a "minor" edit.

If you mean the recent edit on Breeze Airways where I added to a section with the information of a citation recently added, then having read through the guideline article, yes, I acknowledge that would have been a major edit improperly tagged as minor. The subsequent edit to similar information in List of Breeze Airways destinations however involved a layout change, and adding an author name and the name of the publication/website to a citation. The guideline article specifies adding/removing citations (presumably entire ones) rather than information within citations, therefore I would sooner interpret this particular edit as a minor one.

Either way I thank you for telling me and will take greater care about any liberal use of the minor tag. ChainChomp2 (talk) 00:55, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is subjective, and yeah, the most recent one was the one that seemed over the (arbitrary) line. Bad-faith editors will use it to try to sneak in a spam reference or change content, generally I figure if there're more than a couple of characters changed I'll probably review it to make sure it isn't a bad edit being hidden under a misleading edit description and the minor tag.

I think you're interpreting it correctly- or acceptably- most of the time. And you're an experienced editor, which is why I didn't just drop a warning template here. Thanks for your work. tedder (talk) 04:24, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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