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January 2021

Hi CentralAsiaEnthuist! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at East Turkistan Government-in-Exile that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia – it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. — MarkH₂₁^talk 00:21, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I have the same concern about CentralAsiaEnthuist's behavior of misconducts in terms of changing contents of the article about Mr. Anwar Yusuf Turani on multiple occasions and just calling his actions as "Minor edit". It took me a while to correct his misleading information on this individuals, based on the reliable information cited accordingly. I strongly advice everyone to watch this editor closely, so that he will not keep violating rules set by Wikipedia. TheGuiderman (talk) 22:16, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi The Guiderman, it appears you are the one who is publishing misleading information regarding Mr. Turani. If you look at the official website of the East Turkistan Government in Exile (east-turkistan.net) and the various news reports, along with the wikipedia page on the East Turkistan Government in Exile, you will find that Mr. Turani is not its current President. MR. Turani was the first Prime Minister of the East Turkistan Government in Exile and has never served as its President. The current President is Ghulam Yaghma, I suggest you do some search using proper sources before putting misinformation on Wikipedia. Thank you. - CentralAsiaEnthuist (talk) 15:39, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi MarkH21, the "minor edit" was assigned automatically, it is not something that I wrote in there. I always write an explanation of the changes that were made along with adding sources, if applicable, to those changes. Thank you for understanding, feel free to let me know if there is anything that I missed or need to fix. Thanks. - CentralAsiaEnthuist (talk) 15:43, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notice

Hello. I see that PailSimon has left quite a few messages on your page regarding your alleged edit warring and other alleged disruption, though you seem to be a generally helpful and productive editor. PailSimon has since been banned by community consensus per a discussion at WP:ANI. The siteban that is currently in effect was proposed, in part, for "[l]eaving false edit warring notices on editor talk pages." Just wanted to let you know, since you may have received notices of this sort. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 02:57, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

March 2021

Hello, I'm MarkH21. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Qurtulush Marshi, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. — MarkH₂₁^talk 01:56, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, CentralAsiaEnthuist. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page East Turkistan Government-in-Exile, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors;
propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{request edit}} template);
disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI);
avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:Spam);
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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. After the emblem of the East Turkistan Government-in-Exile that you repeatedly uploaded was deleted three times (1, 2, 3) from Commons for copyright violation, the copyright notice on the official ETGE website changed hours later from "East Turkistan Government In Exile © 2004-2021 | All Rights Reserved." to "All materials on this site are available under license: Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International. When reproducing materials in any form reference to East-Turkistan.net is a must."

If you have any relationship with the East Turkistan Government-in-Exile, please disclose it now. In particular, if it is a paid relationship, then you must disclose it by Wikipedia policy. — MarkH₂₁^talk 20:50, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@MarkH21: Hi MarkH21, I don't have a paid relationship with the ETGE, but I am in contact with them. I had sent them an email suggesting that they make the some changes regarding their position on copyrights and clarify that that people can share and re-produce material from their website. CentralAsiaEnthuist (talk) 21:01, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation. Do you have any other conflict of interest with the organization (i.e. any other nature of contact besides the copyright amendment)? There are other types of conflicts of interest that are not paid (see WP:COI#What is conflict of interest? and WP:COI#Other categories of COI for examples). You can disclose the exact nature of contact and relationship that you have with the ETGE here or at WP:COIN, where editors can assess the situation. — MarkH₂₁^talk 21:28, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@MarkH21: Hi MarkH21, as far as my "relationship," I have contact with many Uyghur groups and organizations through email, not just the ETGE. I believe I developed a more deeper understanding of the East Turkistan issue through communication with exile groups such as the WUC, ETGE, groups in Turkey, Central Asia, and by reading available information online ranging from Uyghur / East Turkistan websites, to academic research and books written by outsiders / experts. I sympathize with Uyghurs and East Turkistan, would sympathy with the plight of East Turkistan be a COI? CentralAsiaEnthuist (talk) 21:44, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Having sympathies is not a COI (many of us here have such sympathies!), although having actual involvement in the groups would constitute a COI (this is essentially WP:COICAMPAIGN). It is not clear what your communication with exile groups specifically entails and whether it constitutes a COI, without more details.

Apart from COI though, you should also be aware of the other relevant guidelines and policies to advocacy for a particular cause. Especially where the aim to "set the record straight and right great wrongs" and advocacy for a cause can lead to a block or ban from Wikipedia under some of the indications listed at WP:NOTHERE. Please take care to read those policies and guidelines. There are also suggestions for advocate editing here.

There are many editors who have a COI and editors who advocate for a cause with great contributions to Wikipedia; I don't mean to sugges that COIs or advocacy positions are not allowed here! But editors have to make sure that they are editing to build a neutral encyclopedia based on independent reliable sources, and that they do not prioritize promotion, personal stances, or other agendas. — MarkH₂₁^talk 22:26, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, please stop marking all of your edits as "minor". See my message above from January 2021. "Minor edit" has a very specific meaning on Wikipedia, detailed here. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if the edit concerns a single word. This includes adding or removing any references. — MarkH₂₁^talk 22:32, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@MarkH21: Hi MarkH21, understood. I have read through the various links on here that you recommended. I will most certainly make sure to be extremely careful and cite every changes / edits that I will make. Thank you for clarifying this.CentralAsiaEnthuist (talk) 00:35, 25 March 2021 (UTC)CentralAsiaEnthuist (talk) 00:34, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks! If you have any questions that come up later, feel free to ask here or at the Teahouse! — MarkH₂₁^talk 01:27, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

April 2021

Hi CentralAsiaEnthuist! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Xinjiang internment camps that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia – it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 09:11, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mikehawk10: Hi Mikehawk10, I might have accidentally clicked the "minor edit." I have been very careful recently and have not made any edits whatsoever without full citation and brief summary of the edits. I will make sure to not click the "minor edit" box. Thank you! CentralAsiaEnthuist (talk) 18:10, 1 April 2021 (UTC)CentralAsiaEnthuist[reply]

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March 2023

Hello, I'm ADifferentMan. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Baren Township conflict, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. As stated repeatedly before, globalsecurity.org is considered deprecated and should not be cited.

As for the name of the group on the article in question, a single source referring to it as a certain name doesn't make it definitive when other sources refer to it differently. ADifferentMan (talk) 08:59, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, User:ADifferentMan, I cited two reliable and credible sources: the US Congressional Research Service from 2003 and a chapter written by Dr. Dru Gladney, a well-known Uyghur expert who has testified before numerous governments. Whereas the existing sources you continue to cite as the sole "reliable source" all stem directly from allegations made by the Chinese government. CentralAsiaEnthuist (talk) 16:14, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is from the J. Todd Reed source:

"At least four 1990 accounts of a rebellion in Baren Town-

ship, southwest of Kashgar, referred to the Islamic Party of East Turkistan. 4

A 1990 BBC translation of a Xinjiang newspaper article also mentioned the

East Turkistan Islamic Party. 5 In 1994, a Western news report referred to

“a militant group known as the East Turkistan Movement.”6 In 2000, a Russian

newspaper published at least three articles referring to the East Turkistan

Islamic Movement. 7 Boaz Ganor of Israel’s International Institute for

Counter-Terrorism also mentioned the ETIM in 2000." (p. 47)

Frankly, both names might be worth mentioning with a relevant footnote. Do you have any objection to this?

Edit: Also, please stop re-adding globalsecurity.org for the reasons I've repeatedly emphasized.

ADifferentMan (talk) 17:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User:ADifferentMan All of J. Todd Reed's "four different" sources get their information from the same place: China's government. The Chinese government announced that the uprising was carried out by the "Islamic Party of East Turkistan," despite Uyghur sources claiming it was the "Sherki Turkistan Azatliq Herkiti" or "Free Turkistan Movement," as cited by the US Congressional Research Service, which used Professor Dru Gladney's research. I believe it is best to clarify:

While the US Congressional Research Service and Uyghur experts claim that the 1990 Baren Uprising or conflict was carried out by the "Free Turkistan Movement," other sources relying on Chinese government sources claim that it was carried out by the Islamic Party of East Turkistan / East Turkistan Islamic Party. CentralAsiaEnthuist (talk) 18:07, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion would probably best be continued on the article's respective talk page, which I've opened an RFC on. ADifferentMan (talk) 05:39, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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