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Zong massacre

Your article looks quite good. I would advise submitting it at GAN, as it should then proceed more smoothly through A-class and FA, if that's where you want to take it. As it currently stands, I'm not seeing a ton of issues that would cause a GA reviewer great concern; good luck in your future work on the article! dci | TALK 02:02, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the advice -- I'll probably leave it in PR for a bit longer, and then do as you suggest. Celuici (talk) 23:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ely and Littleport riots of 1816

Hi. Your removal of the Bombay Riots and the 2011 England riots in this recent edit seems fine on the surface. In the case of the Bombay Riots I agree with your reasoning. However, would you consider adding the 2011 England riots back? Our own article says that the rioters behaviour may be attributed to "racism, classism, and economic decline, as well as cultural factors like criminality, hooliganism, breakdown of social morality, and gang culture". The Ely and Littleport riots of 1816 were certainly caused by classism (whatever that really is) and economic decline as well as—according to contemporary accounts at least—criminality and breakdown of social morality. I thus see similarities and would therefore wish to keep the London riots in the see also section --Senra (talk) 21:26, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the link back in, but I think more emphasis should be given to the contemporary context, such as the Spa Fields riots which happened a few months later, or the Gordon Riots and Peterloo massacre where lethal military intervention was also used. I should have raised this point in the peer review thread, but will add in some extra links to the "See also" section if you don't object. Celuici (talk) 21:38, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Go ahead. For the record I didn't object to your changes :) Just thought there was room to manoeuvre which indeed there was. Thank you --Senra (talk) 22:24, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Zong massacre GA review

I've begun the Zong massacre GA review. This looks quite good to me; I only have a few minor suggestions, which you'll find at the review page. Thanks for your work on this quality article. -- Khazar2 (talk) 00:38, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments -- I agree with them all, and will try to get the article updated by the end of the week. Celuici (talk) 07:49, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Terrific, thanks. -- Khazar2 (talk) 13:42, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion on the AFT5 Request for Comment

Hey Celuici - this is to notify you that there is a discussion starting on the Article Feedback RfC talkpage that has ramifications for the RfC itself. Your input is much appreciated :). Thanks! and apologies if I've missed anyone Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 16:36, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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		For your contributions to bring Zong massacre to Good Article status. Keep up the good work! Khazar2 (talk) 13:32, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for contributing this excellent article; it was a pleasure to read. -- Khazar2 (talk) 13:32, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Slavery Convention 1840

What brilliant news. I have recently been talking to the BBC/PCF (et al) about the use of paintings on Wikipedia where I spoke of this painting and I used this painting in a talk I gave where the rights manager for the National Portrait Gallery was present. That talk has had 2,500 hits since I gave it - although maybe not just for the painting/convention. Here we have a painting which is the subject of dozens of notable articles. This painting belongs to everyone! The 1840 convention was also very illustrative of the time as it respected that Africans had human rights but it wasn't too sure about women! Do feel free to "steal" anything you can find in my user space. I hope you intend to use the clickable version of the painting as I put a lot of work into that and it inspired my work in that area. I have been meanng to create the convention/painting article for a long time but never had the time I thought it deserved. I'd be very interested in copy editing or working to assist. I have a "key" to the painting somewhere. All the best. Can you give me a link to the draft? Victuallers (talk) 14:55, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Round Table

Well, I was pleasantly surprised to see that you have begun an article on The Round Table. I thought that you had abandoned Hazlitt. Not that I mean any negative criticism. I should be the last to complain. While I haven't given up on The Spirit of the Age, it has been going very slowly. I just don't have as much time as I would like.

Meanwhile, I see that you have made notable contributions in other areas, including achieving Good Article status for the Zong massacre. Congratulations! I haven't read that one yet, but I did enjoy reading the article on John Kimber, which I came across a while back.

As for The Round Table, I do have two or three things to correct there. I'll do that shortly. Nothing major, just the usual things that stand out to a second pair of eyes, especially if one is saturated with the subject matter. Regards, Alan W (talk) 03:31, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Alan, good to hear from you again! My work on Hazlitt-related articles has indeed been rather slow, mostly as the result of real-life commitments and my ongoing attempt to get the Zong massacre article to FA class. My ultimate plan is to produce 2-3 paragraphs which overview the content of The Round Table, rather than emulate the much fuller treatment given in our articles on Characters of Shakespear's and The Spirit of the Age. I am slightly disappointed with the content of the Round Table article at present, as it doesn't provide much information that isn't included in the main article on Hazlitt. But in 2013 I'd like to create a basic article on each of Hazlitt's works, since that at least would provide a platform for further development in 2014 onwards. That's the long-term plan, if nobody does it first, at least! Celuici (talk) 21:29, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Celuici, likewise! Yes, I understand that about "real-life" commitments (though in my opinion Wikipedia, though not as important as family, friends, etc., can be as "real" as any project in life you're serious about). We do what we can and have the inclination for here. Also, if you're committed to taking the Zong-massacre article on to the next level, I can understand that that will leave you with little other Wikipedia time.

As for emulating the fuller treatment of Hazlitt's books in those articles, as I've said, I never expected anyone else necessarily to do that. Former Wikipedian Ottava Rima set the model that I've followed, but it fits my own inclusionist approach so I've found that way congenial.

Good idea, that about having a basic article on each of Hazlitt's works. (The major ones, anyway. And I can't right now envision the best way of handling those uncollected essays contributed to numerous periodicals over the years. "My First Acquaintance with Poets" is one of the best of those, and I think you'll agree that it would be nice to write more about that. A general article, "Hazlitt's Uncollected Essays"? I guess we can discuss that in the future if you want.) When I finish The Spirit of the Age (not that anything here is really ever entirely "finished"), if there are any works remaining that do not yet have stubs at least, I'll see if I can add a few myself.

Meanwhile, keep up the good work on the British slave trade. Oh, and, as for the current indequacy of The Round Table, I knew immediately that you would not have meant this as the article's final state and that you intended to add more (I think you said as much somewhere). Otherwise I might have mentioned that rather than just patching up a few things that jumped out at me. Regards, Alan W (talk) 22:10, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Congrats!

Very nice to see the featured star go up on that one. -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:03, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It certainly is satisfying to get it up to FA class, especially when everyone in peer, GA and FA review was so helpful! Celuici (talk) 18:26, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Possible typo in the Zong massacre article

Hi Celuici, Well, I had been meaning to read all of the "Zong massacre" article, and I finally got to it. I was not disappointed. A very good job! Now I know some essential facts about the history of the slave trade and Abolitionism of which I had been entirely ignorant, and I feel I understand the importance of those particular facts. I did notice what surely must be a typo, but since I don't have the two sources cited at hand, I can't check: "Mansfield declared that the jury: 'had no doubt (thought it shocks one very much)....'" (boldface mine). Regards, Alan W (talk) 22:16, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, glad you enjoyed the article! That is indeed a typo, which I've now fixed. Hope things are OK with you -- will have to read through what you've been doing in the Hazlittian sphere soon! Celuici (talk) 11:35, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Glad I caught the typo when I did, as I see now that the article is scheduled for a main-page appearance.What I've been doing is mostly adding to The Spirit of the Age a section at a time. As I've said before, maybe Rome wasn't built in a day, but if it had been my responsibility, it would still be under construction. At least I haven't abandoned the article, and it's coming along. Regards, Alan W (talk) 02:25, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The Zong massacre was the killing of approximately 142 enslaved Africans by the crew of the slave ship Zong in the days following 29 November 1781. The Zong was owned by a Liverpool slave-trading syndicate that had taken out insurance on the lives of the slaves. When the ship ran low on water following navigational mistakes, the crew drowned some of the slaves in the sea. The owners of the Zong made a claim to their insurers for the loss of the slaves. When the insurers refused to pay, the resulting court cases held that in some circumstances the deliberate killing of slaves was legal, and that insurers could be required to pay for the slaves' deaths. The hearings brought the massacre to the attention of the anti-slavery campaigner Granville Sharp, who tried unsuccessfully to have the ship's crew prosecuted for murder. Reports of the massacre stimulated the nascent abolitionist movement and became a powerful symbol of the horrors of the Middle Passage of slaves to the New World. The massacre has also inspired several works of art and literature (including The Slave Ship by J. M. W. Turner, depicted). (Full article...)

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Edit reversion of Zong massacre

Hi, Celuici - thanks for an excellent article. Re your reversion of last edit, just wanted to suggest that the African Cargo play being based on the legal transcripts from the 1783 trial seems noteworthy - how about with added ref http://bbc.preview.somethinelse.com/africabeyond/events/200710/ ? Mchanges! (talk) 23:23, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not convinced by that link. It's just a listings site, providing no evidence that the performance has any enduring notability. I will also try to see what I can find, since it would be good to include something about the play if we can find the sources. Celuici (talk) 22:13, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Welcome back to the Hazlitt arena, Celuici. Nice way to jump back in, as Political Essays is surely worth writing about. I can't believe it's been six years since we last interacted, but so it has, and I don't know where the years go. Best, Alan W (talk) 13:56, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Great to hear from you, and yes, good to be contributing to Wikipedia again. Most of my activity over the last year has been producing a digitised version of Political Essays on Wikisource (see link in article). The Wikipedia article hopefully supports that, although there is still work to do explaining the various political controversies and people the book discusses. I can see you're still quite active, which is great. Celuici (talk) 11:13, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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