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Tech News: 2022-05

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Recent changes

  • If a gadget should support the new ?withgadget URL parameter that was announced 3 weeks ago, then it must now also specify supportsUrlLoad in the gadget definition (documentation). [1]

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  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 1 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 2 February. It will be on all wikis from 3 February (calendar).

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  • A change that was announced last year was delayed. It is now ready to move ahead:
    • The user group oversight will be renamed suppress. This is for technical reasons. This is the technical name. It doesn't affect what you call the editors with this user right on your wiki. This is planned to happen in three weeks. You can comment in Phabricator if you have objections. As usual, these labels can be translated on translatewiki (direct links are available) or by administrators on your wiki.

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17:41, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello, Celestina007,

I wanted to thank you for attempting to mediate a situation the other day. I do hope things improve. What happens is, basically, from 00:00 UTC to 06:00 UTC on Wikipedia, the other editor and I are stepping on each other's toes as we undertake some of the same admin responsibilities. The only solution I see is to give each other space.

You know, it's a big, big project but when you are drawn to similar time-specific tasks, you can find yourself and another trying to do the same action at the same time which just leads to frustration on both sides. Imagine if two AFC reviewers were reviewing the same draft at the same time...there would probably be the same result but it's a bit of a collision which is why I think AFC has safeguards in place to prevent this from happening. Any way, I appreciated you trying to make peace, hopefully, it's lasting and our calmer selves will prevail over our more prickly selves. Stay well. Liz Read! Talk! 23:31, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Liz, yes you are correct about afc, if I’m in the process of reviewing an article I can always indicate so, and the next reviewer would move on to another article in the pool. Indeed when I observed the misunderstanding between the other editor and yourself I made an educated guess as to what the issues could be. I agree that a mutual understanding between yourself and the other party could be pivotal in resolving any potential misunderstandings moving forward. Celestina007 (talk) 15:36, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2022).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • The user group oversight will be renamed suppress in around 3 weeks. This will not affect the name shown to users and is simply a change in the technical name of the user group. The change is being made for technical reasons. You can comment in Phabricator if you have objections.
  • The Reply Tool feature, which is a part of Discussion Tools, will be opt-out for everyone logged in or logged out starting 7 February 2022. Editors wishing to comment on this can do so in the relevant Village Pump discussion.

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

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Tech News: 2022-06

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

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  • English Wikipedia recently set up a gadget for dark mode. You can enable it there, or request help from an interface administrator to set it up on your wiki (instructions and screenshot).
  • Category counts are sometimes wrong. They will now be completely recounted at the beginning of every month. [2]

Problems

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 February. It will be on all wikis from 10 February (calendar).

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21:14, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Teahouse § From the WikiProject desk at The Signpost

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Teahouse § From the WikiProject desk at The Signpost. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 17:16, 9 February 2022 (UTC) 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 17:16, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Y’all call it a Quack?

See this Roibagger and Fatai01: a coincidence in creating a single article? I do not know. So, if you can, look into it. Calling it quit for today. --Reading BeansTalk to the Beans 19:55, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

It looks like it has been handled, sorry for the late response, i have been rather busy with my real life work. Celestina007 (talk) 23:17, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Question from Anupam Pandey (Software Engineer) (07:33, 12 February 2022)

Hi --Anupam Pandey (Software Engineer) (talk) 07:33, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes you can. See WP:CHU. Celestina007 (talk) 10:07, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Capital letters

Thank you for your input on new articles. However I've been trying to say in summaries that there's a reason why you're finding degree subjects capitalised, and it's the same reason that I just wrote capitalised - it's British English. University of Oxford, p. 6: "Capitalise the name of a subject when it is used as part of a course title, but not if it is used in other contexts". University of Nottingham: "Capitalise the name of a subject when it is used as part of a course title, but not if it is used in other contexts", St Andrew's: "Use capitals when referring to degree titles". Unknown Temptation (talk) 00:59, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

I understand your point. Celestina007 (talk) 01:25, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello my friend

Just to let you know, I will not be making further edits to the Teahouse for the time being. Hopefully I will be able to return to helping others there soon. --ARoseWolf 14:38, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

ARoseWolf, Oh my! It’s always a big blow when regulars who know policy are taking a break, But I perfectly understand, I myself haven’t been as active as I want to, due to taking up more roles “behind the scene” Ah! I do hope to see you back to editing sooner than later💗 Celestina007 (talk) 19:16, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
@ARoseWolf That goes for me, too. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:34, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

An Update On Spamming and Undeclared Paid Editing (Exponential Dearth Of UPE/COI)

There has been an exponential dearth in less than ethical practices such as COI & UPE in the English Wikipedia and this is so because the English Wikipedia has done so well in combatting unethical practices, we possess an artillery of external clandestine anti spam/UPE tools making dubious editing on the English Wikipedia next to impossible to perpetuate without being caught. What is happening now is most of this spammers are in a dilemma and have had no other choice than to move to the Simple English Wikipedia or other sister projects with less scrutiny as correctly stated by Timtrent below, to continue spamming but fortunately for us and unfortunately for them, we have grandmaster anti spam editors like MER-C & TheresNoTime holding down the forth on other sister projects while myself, Dan ardnt, Timtrent, Praxidicae, DGG and a plethora of other anti spam editors are holding down the forth here on the English Wikipedia. Celestina007 (talk) 20:36, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

They also use less well policed places such as Wikiquote and Wikidata, both of which are annoying. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 20:43, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
DGG, DGG I believe it is a function of time and willingness to do so, if you have the time to do so, then yes it is worth checking simple also but if not you aren’t under any obligation to do so. Although You might like to take a look at this spamming (on English and Simple Wikipedia) i nabbed and reported here which I filed to ANI, of which no admin patrolling ANI thought it wise to do something about probably because I didn’t propose any sanctions so I guess I’m to blame for that being archived with no action. it is worth checking simple too, but I wouldn’t classify as mandatory. Celestina007 (talk) 12:57, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
Furthermore it was MER-C who alerted me to this new trend. Yesterday I was pinged my MER-C about a serial spammer see here. To be honest the trio of MER-C, Blablubbs, & MarioGom are really proving to be a very effective impenetrable wall of defense against spamming on sister projects. Celestina007 (talk) 12:10, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
Whilst speaking on our success against less than ethical practices, I would also mention GSS & TheAafi. Celestina007 (talk) 15:24, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
Hey thanks Celestina007 for giving me a place. This was one of the reasons that made me gain consensus in getting a patroller group created on Urdu Wikipedia. I recently discovered a user, and they had even written a self-vanity page on the Simple Wikipedia (it is being considered for deletion currently on that Wiki); SPA, self-promotion and UPE are areas where possibly we need a cross-wiki effort, because this is a cross-wiki abuse. I'd be glad in providing any assistance if required on the Urdu Wikipedia. Regards, ─ The Aafī (talk) 16:46, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
m:Wikiproject:Antispam. MER-C 18:49, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
MER-C, just wow. I added my contact over there. ─ The Aafī on Mobile (talk) 20:51, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
As I understand it, nofollow prevents the links inserted in a WP article from counting in pagerank. It does not prevent google from indexing the page. That's NOINDEX, and pages in mainspace are accessible to INDEXING--we want people to find them, for the details of that see WP:NOINDEX DGG ( talk ) 01:18, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Your understanding is correct. In general spam links are inserted in the hope of increasing SERP rather than getting direct visitors. A part of SERP is the number and 'quality' of independent inbound links, best delivered to a page that is not a site's home page. Wikipedia is seen as an excellent neighbourhood by search engines, so nofollow negates that inherent advantage.
I run MW and other software based sites and have set the default to be nofollow to all links. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 09:51, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
nofollow doesn't stop the article from getting to the top of Google, which is the point of UPE. MER-C 19:48, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
One of the improvements I would like to see in AfCH is a notice with a submitted draft whether there is a corresponding article in another WP. This would be useful in both directions;It would catch at least some ofthe cross-wiki spamming. It would also help us not lose articles which are merely low quality unacknowledged translations or even decent quality translation that don't include the references. There are of course problems from the names in different languages, but we have wikidata to identify at least some of these. DGG ( talk ) 01:18, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
I wonder if @Enterprisey and other developers would find that easy. It sounds a worthwhile enhancement FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 09:53, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Sounds like a good idea, for the reasons described. I would imagine this would be better placed in the template, instead of the script. I don't know who to ask to get that changed; probably WT:WPAFC is a fine default. Enterprisey (talk!) 07:12, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Mohona Maiti

Hello, Celestina007,

I wanted to alert you to kind of a fluke that exists. For some reason, when User:Ts12rAc moves a page from main space to draft space, he doesn't leave behind a redirect but a blank page. He is also listed as the page creator of that page and makes the only edit to it. But the page should be tagged as a CSD R2. We're not sure why this happens when he uses the Draftify script but it might have something to do with his status as a global rollbacker. As far as I know, he is the only editor who this happens to but it can be confusing and since you do so much patrolling, I thought I'd alert you to this peculiarity. Thanks for all of the work you do, Celestina007! Liz Read! Talk! 00:18, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Liz, thanks for the notification. I believe it’s a technical related issue, are they using a mobile device? Are they distraught about this? Perhaps VP(Technical) can be of help. Thanks for the heads up Liz. Celestina007 (talk) 00:57, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
  • To be honest, I don’t even think I’ve been doing much patrolling of late. For a while now, I have been doing more back end technical related activities, but I still make it a habit to glance through each day, just in case I observe spammers spamming. Celestina007 (talk) 00:17, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for helping to make my article better!

The Typo Team Barnstar
Dear Celestina, you are a gem! Minard38 (talk) 22:47, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, Whilst I’d gladly accept this, it would be disingenuous of me not to mention it was semi automated, so whilst It was I who gave the technical command, it was a semi automated tool that did the heavy lifting. Celestina007 (talk) 23:19, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Really sweet of you to call me a gem.😊 Celestina007 (talk) 09:02, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:AFC Helper News

Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest.

  • AFCH will now show live previews of the comment to be left on a decline.
  • The template {{db-afc-move}} has been created - this template is similar to {{db-move}} when there is a redirect in the way of an acceptance, but specifically tells the patrolling admin to let you (the draft reviewer) take care of the actual move.

Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:59, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Question

Hi, I need clarity on citation/references. The articles I produce are somewhat always tagged with Notability and Unreliable sources, it worries me a lot. On your point of view without referring from what other editor thinks, are articles Mvzzle, Rethabile Khumalo, Judy Jay and Mall of the North poorly sourced? Neoinsession (talk) 00:20, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Neoinsession, hey, what I am able to see almost immediately is that the tone of the article is not in accordance with what an encyclopedic article should (sound) like, this is somewhat inconsequential as it can be easily fixed but our team of fine copy-editors however, what this does, is that it brings [close] scrutiny to the article, upon which loopholes are bound to be found. Unfortunately notability and the reliability of the sources are indeed of concern. Take for example this article; Mvzzle when I check the sources I see sources with no reputation for fact checking and some without a clear editorial oversight. You may choose to see what constitutes a reliable source in WP:RS, and for notability criteria as a general concept and notability guide for musicians, see WP:GNG & WP:MUSICBIO, respectively, One of the aforementioned articles, namely; Mall of the North has already been marked as reviewed by MB so I am unclear as to why you bring it up, although I note it was draftified in late 2021. If you are unable to write an article properly it isn’t a big deal all you need do is simply use the WP:AFC route to submit articles, that way the reviewer can help out in pointing out potential problems with the article be it the tone, sources, MOS, grammar, relevant policy and whatnot, that way, by the time the article is accepted it would read like an encyclopedic article. Celestina007 (talk) 17:54, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

New message from OakRedwood

Asking Advice

Hello, I just saw your name as a host on Teashop, and you looked like a good person to talk to. I am wanting to create my first Wikipedia page, and was hoping for your advice on notability and conflict of interest.

Firstly, here is a summary of the person I’d like to write about. Do you think this meets the criteria of notability?

- He began his career on BBC Radio London as a producer, where he presented a weekly programme on religious current affairs and news. He also hosted two phone-in programmes, one of which was a request programme with a live Salvation Army band. He later became a full-time radio and television news journalist for ITV, while also continuing non-stipendiary work with the Church of England.

He was made a Canon of Ely Cathedral, and also received an MBE from the Queen for his work for the Church and the Community. This community work involved running a charity from his home for people with autism. Through this charity, he raised over one million pounds to fund a home for autistic adults in Cambridgeshire. This was the first such service in the county.

Secondly, I need to ask you about conflict of interest. As I am related to the person I wish to create this page for, I believe it would be improper for me to create it myself. However, I have gleaned numerous citations about his work, and believe there are many others that could be accessed.

Do you know of someone who could stand in for me when it comes to creating this page?

Many thanks. OakRedwood (talk) 14:14, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello OakRedwood and sorry for the late response, hey, moving forward there is a precise manner in which you are to leave me a new message, I detail it at the top of my User-page, that way your message is correctly placed at the bottom of my TP indicative of the most recent message left on my talk-page. To your question, if you have a conflict of interest with the person you want to create an article for, you are strongly advised not to do so, rather, going to WP:RA and listing this individual there would prove helpful as a volunteer editor would create the article on your behalf. Celestina007 (talk) 00:03, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Addendum; this may take a while, but invariably, in due time it would be done. Celestina007 (talk) 18:27, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

James Koblah Bruce Vanderpuije

This is interesting. Moved to main space WAY before ready by an apparent schoolkid. This smells of fish. I am wondering about a UPE sock farm, under the schoolkid, who has been here longest FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 22:08, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

The Deo Gratias Photo Studio may be notable, but has been put into mainspace by some of the same players. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 22:22, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

AfD: Nominated for deletion; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donna Johnson (mayor)

I nominated Donna Johnson (mayor) for deletion. While you only did some minor edits, I am informing you as you did edit the article--Mpen320 (talk) 05:15, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Skepticism and coordinated editing proposed decision posted

The proposed decision in the Skepticism and coordinated editing has been posted. Please review the proposed decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:00, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Change notification

See Template:HZM Line 1 -- ZandDev (msg) 15:45, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello there, I’m sorry, is there something you are trying to reference? Or is this message meant for another editor here? Celestina007 (talk) 16:21, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
This was a notice for you. I'm trying to show you the changes which led me to undo your edit. -- ZandDev (msg) 19:11, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Un-do my edits? Can you show me a diff? Sometimes I use semi automated tools to edit, but I need a diff in order for me to grasp totally what you may be trying to imply or just tell me what article was affected. Peace Profound. Celestina007 (talk) 14:54, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

How to remove banner for RABI (artist)

Hi there thanks for helping me add artist to the page. Can you tell me what needs to be removed to make the page stronger? I came up on some more links that are strictly about the artist and will add those as well.

Thank you in advance!! Romanstuff (talk) 23:07, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello there, by banner I presume you mean the {{notability}} tag right? It was introduced by Slywriter, in this edit, I’m afraid I am unable to remove the tag, I think communication with Slywriter is the better route to follow. But you can improve the article by reading WP:RS and citing relevant reliable sources in the article. You can tell when a source is reliable by checking for editorial oversight or look up the source itself and check to see if they have a reputation for fact checking. If either is absent it may be a good idea not to use the source. I’m here if you need me to expatiate on any anything I have just (said). Celestina007 (talk) 23:13, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Romanstuff, The issue was and remains that the sources are virtually all interviews. So much of the information fails WP:V as no independent source has vetted. It all falls under WP:ABOUTSELF. If independent sources, not more interviews, can be added then please do so.Slywriter (talk) 01:07, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
(Also, best to move further discussion to article talk page. Just realized was on Celestina's page)Slywriter (talk) 01:08, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

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Created page doesn't show up on Google

Hello Celestina

I'm freshman in Wikipedia, so I have questions. As my knowledge, you're the mentor. I've recently created a page. You can check out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kateryna_Gornostai

When I search this article through Google, it doesn't show up. Even I searched by the words 'Kateryna Gornostai wikipedia'. The result was in only French version. This French version is, I'm sure, the copy and translation of my article. It was created even later than mine.

So can you please explain what is going on? Is it something wrong with article (I mean with the codes)? Is there anything, please let me know. I really want my article will rank on Google.

Kind regards, Kamron — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamron99 (talk • contribs) 10:25, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Kamron99, hello there, there is nothing wrong with your coding. What you are experiencing is perfectly normal, when an article is created by an editor without Autopatrol rights or has not been marked as reviewed by a new page reviewer, the article wouldn’t be indexed on the (google) search engine until the expiration of 90 days. What this means is, your article is currently in the new pages feed queue and is awaiting assessment by a reviewer, once the article has been vetted and no problem identified it is marked as reviewed & then it would “pop up” on the search engine almost instantaneously, but unfortunately if it isn’t reviewed by a reviewer it may take up to 3 months before it automatically indexes. If you are unclear about anything I have just stated please do let me know. Celestina007 (talk) 13:15, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Again me

First of all, thank you for your quick response. I really appreciate it.

You mentioned a reviewer that has to review my article. Who can be a reviewer, special Wikipedian, or anyone? If it is anybody, I think, it's not a hard thing to ask a friend for a favor or to create another account just for making reviews? Please, clarify my thoughts.

@Kamron99, hey, next time you can just continue the conversation with me by editing the entry you made and continue asking questions, “You mentioned a reviewer that has to review my article. Who can be a reviewer, special Wikipedian, or anyone?” A reviewer can be anyone who is at least 3 months old and has made at least 500 uncontested edits to mainspace, but it is more complex than it sounds, typically it involves an editor having more than satisfactory knowledge of our WP:notability standards, our WP:DELETIONPROCESS but that is something for much later, as it still goes a lot more in-depth than I can explain in a day, You may choose to see NPR “If it is anybody, I think, it's not a hard thing to ask a friend for a favor or to create another account just for making reviews?” Please, No, no, the other account wouldn’t have the NPR so “it isn’t just anyone”, secondly, except for legitimate purposes, you may not use more than one account to edit Wikipedia that is major breach of our policy, it is called WP:SOCKPUPPETRY and may cause you to have your editing privileges revoked. You have done your part, it is time for you to sit back and relax and allow new page reviewers do their part by patrolling and reviewing articles. Unfortunately, there is no way to speed up the process you just have to wait. Furthermore do you see the links(words in blue?) please click on them and they would lead you to a page which gives you more in-depth information. Celestina007 (talk) 14:06, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Thank you Celestina for your support — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamron99 (talk • contribs) 14:57, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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