User talk:Carptrash/Archive 10

Fourth warning

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can you imagine not wanting the sculptors in a list of monuments & memorials? This is why I left this article. Carptrash (talk) 04

26, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

List of United Daughters of the Confederacy chapters

Hello. Are you interested in working on a List of United Daughters of the Confederacy chapters please? Each state would have a horizontal axis for each location, with a vertical axis for their date of creation, the name of the co-founders, and wikilinks to the monuments they erected.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:15, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s: I just found this, I went in the hospital on Monday morning and got out an hour ago. Here is what i can contribute. You set up the list (chart?) send me a blue link and then as I add CSA monuments to the UDC monument article and discover chapters I will add them on. I am not sure how much editing I am going to be doing, for sure not a lot of sitting down in any case (don't ask unless you mean it). How does that sound? Carptrash (talk) 16:52, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Very sorry to hear that--I hope you feel better soon. The main idea is to have a list of all the local chapters with when they were created (and possibly closed down) , who were the co-founders, etc. But I'm not sure where to retrieve the information. Also, would this be Original Research?Zigzig20s (talk) 18:10, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Stuff (opinion) is only original research if you come up with it on your own. If you "research" it from sources that you can list it is not OR. I am assuming that UDC is still an active organization, I'd email them. But I would include a prototype chart that includes the fields that you think should be included, see what they have to say. They might already have a lot of info that they will pass on to you. Also see what this [1] does for you. Carptrash (talk) 18:15, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes I saw this but there must be many more chapters that closed down. The trick is how to find them.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:22, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

To me this sounds like piece work. Which is to say, one at a time. What I would do, and it is not how a lot of editors approach things, is that I would start a chart with one or two chapters. Get your fields in order and that sort of thing. Then just start adding to it as chapters are discovered. I believe (and this more "art" than "science") that there will turn out to be hundreds of chapters. I'd set up the chart like the List of monuments erected by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, by state and then alphabetically by town on county (not quite sure how these are done) and then just start plugging them in. Carptrash (talk) 18:28, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Frank P. Gates

I'd be interested to find out if Frank P. Gates descended from CSA veterans, or even planters. This is the kind of cryptic information I like to dig up.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:25, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

I assume that everyone born in Mississippi as thusly decended, but that don't make it so. Also anyone who designs 18 buildings on the U Miss has goat be, but . . . . . ..... I am poking around in a few ancestor.com type places, but no hit yet. Carptrash (talk) 20:34, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

This is on the main page!Zigzig20s (talk) 02:15, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Dixie's Daughters

I am taking a short break from WP due to sadness over an AFD, and reading Dixie's Daughters. Have you read it?Zigzig20s (talk) 02:14, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s:, What was the AFD? I have not read Dixie Daughters, but a quick look has revealed that it would be of interest. Tomorrow I volunteer at the local library, I will check there and if they do not have it I will suggest that they get it. If it is anywhere in the rather large Maricopa County library system I can get it but it costs $6 to interlibrary loan from outside the system and I don't do that as a matter of principle. I do know that these are people, the Daughters, that I will feel are not on my team. I am currently reading a history of the KKK and these ladies are their mothers, wives, sisters and daughters. Thanks for the tip. Carptrash (talk) 04:59, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

You may, or may not, be interested in Ed Buck.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:12, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

What's the title of the book please? My impression is that most Klansmen were financially successful (due to nepotism, corruption, convict leasing, etc.). Legacy students in Southern colleges probably descend from them--are you finding this in your book please?Zigzig20s (talk) 05:43, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s: The book I am reading (I am a slow reader) is The Ku Klux Klan: A Century of Infamy by William Peirce Randel (1965). He is still in the Reconstruction years so the financially successful part has not happened yet. But I believe that in that way the Klan worked like any other fraternal organization. Probably not much more self serving than the Moose Lodge or Chamber of Commerce. I will keep you thought in mind as I continue. Carptrash (talk) 15:12, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

I suspect it was worse, because they were a terrorist organization. They lynched people to death. Or burned their houses...Zigzig20s (talk) 15:20, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes, but I am prone to not underestimate the rapaciousness of just "regular" folks. Carptrash (talk) 15:27, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

I mean, I don't think a chamber of commerce would have the same power as organized crime like the KKK or the mob.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:35, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

And to me the purpose of the C of C and other such organizations is to advance "nepotism, corruption, convict leasing, etc." and other profitable business practices, whereas the primary KKK's objectives were to advance its social agenda. The members that were businessmen no doubt took advantage of the connections that the organization provided. The "mob' is (opinion) something else entirely. Carptrash (talk) 15:43, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

I think the KKK was organized crime for white Southerners. They still do it but it's more subtle.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:30, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s: I agree that much, most, all of what they did was criminal and it was pretty organized. However to my way of thinking "organized crime" suggests that there is $$$$$$ involved and I don't believe that this was the case with the KKK. They actually believed all the racial crap they spouted. For a long time Southern white men had been having babies with their slaves and then selling the children, their own children off. Not because of the money, though I am sure they never turned it away, but because they were swine. Yes, when they drove out the blacks someone always profited by getting the land left behind, but that was not the primary reason for doing it. I recently read a book (can't remember the title) where a county in GA drove out all the blacks and kept them out until the Civil Rights era. But this is not, to me, "organized crime." Feel free to email me at carptrash at gmail dot com if you want to take this conversation elsewhere. Carptrash (talk) 21:42, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

I think it was primarily economic, but they probably believed in so-called science too. Most people did. We should probably create more articles about science professors in the Antebellum South and the "research" they published...Zigzig20s (talk) 22:02, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

It is very likely that the "science" was motivated by economics. Perish the thought that blacks should climb the economic ladder because who would be at the gotten then? Carptrash (talk) 22:42, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

The more I read about this, the more I feel "culturally African-American"! It's the censorship that gets me. I might join Category:African-American Wikipedians!Zigzig20s (talk) 20:10, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

And then Afrian Americans who wear tiaras? Carptrash (talk) 21:39, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Always!Zigzig20s (talk) 02:46, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

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The buffer is terrible. Apparently it's not on youtube yet.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:31, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

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Confederate Cemetery Monument

You may or may not want to expand the Confederate Cemetery Monument.Zigzig20s (talk) 09:16, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Hal Blaine

Thanks for the correction: I didn't realize that Johnny Angel by Shelly Fabares was actually the first No. 1 pop hit to have Hal Blaine on drums.203.221.128.210 (talk) 06:57, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Divorced?

What do you mean?Zigzig20s (talk) 18:31, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s: That list has (my opinion) serious problems, check out the talk pages, though I believe that you were there (though not one of the bad guys in my book). That list is politically motivated, or perhaps "front page motivated." It is supposed to be a list but the monuments don't even start until two pages down because there has to be the graph and all sorts of other information. Check out List of statues of Stalin, for example. No one seems to feel a need to explain why Stalin was such a rotter, they just list the statues. Then I don't feel that streets, roads and even lanes should be considered memorials in this setting but because the SPLC did we had to do it too. That's why I started the UDC monuments article. I was called a "hate group member" and attempting to "white wash history" (ie. a racist) there so left. Carptrash (talk) 18:41, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

To whitewash history would be to censor it, and you are doing the opposite by creating those articles about Confederate monuments. Are you interested in working on the presidents of Fisk University please? I have started Kevin D. Rome, and I'd like to create a succession box with all the presidents.Zigzig20s (talk) 14:11, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s: I have about 200 more UDC monuments to go and over fifty of these so am not quite ready to embark on another big task. Also I tend towards editing in areas that fit my home library and university presidents I don't really have. Do you intend the list to be at the Fisk article after the alumni chart? Also looking at the alums I find Cora Brown (this is from her article) "was the first African-American woman elected to a state senate in the United States," and I thought that there were many black state senators during Reconstruction, but I might be wrong. Do you have an opinion? Carptrash (talk) 16:15, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Female.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:37, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Gottcha. Carptrash (talk) 16:41, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

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Confederate War Memorial (Dallas) needs work. Are you able to find/add RS please?Zigzig20s (talk) 15:11, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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Theresa R. Love

Theresa R. Love, an English professor who has written books on Victorian literature, is Condoleezza Rice's aunt. She used to teach at Southern Illinois University Edwardsville. Do you think she passes GNG?Zigzig20s (talk) 10:33, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Okay @Zigzig20s:, it is just you and me here so I'll be frank (if you'll be ernest). I have never really read any of the wikipedia rules and guidelines save Be bold. You are an experienced editor with a good track record, just write it up and publish it. Don't count too heavily on whose aunt she was, though there are possible links to use there. You will need a couple of good sources and if you pre-pave a few links from other articles that hook up with her you should be okay. So go to all her schools, both attended and taught at and put her in as a red link so that when you publish the article they will turn blue and you'll have her strapped in, the wikipedia version of a seat belt. Carptrash (talk) 17:51, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

The problem is that she doesn't teach at a major research university, and I'm not sure she has won major awards...Zigzig20s (talk) 19:06, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Then perhaps she does not need an article? Carptrash (talk) 22:35, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Not until we can find stronger RS. She may have made scholarly contributions that I haven't found yet. But perhaps she could be mentioned in Condi's article...Zigzig20s (talk) 22:37, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

James Geddes Stahlman

Hello. I am struggling to add some content to James Geddes Stahlman's article without close paraphrasing, particularly the sentence: "By the early 1960s, Stahlman was downplaying his racist rhetoric, boasting of hiring of a black reporter, and donating $250 to the families of black girls killed in a church bombing in Birmingham." However, I think/know this is how racists get away with it, so it should appear in the article... Page 39 of this article. Maybe you could try to expand the article? Zigzig20s (talk) 06:14, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

I can't help too much unless there is a statue of him somewhere. He does seem like a pretty creepy character. His grandfather Major Edward Bushrod Stahlman is also interesting and a candidate for an article too. But not, I fear, from me. Carptrash (talk) 18:00, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

There may be a building: The Stahlman.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:16, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Looks like Edward Bushrod Stahlman did not serve in the CSA. But he was a "32nd degree Mason".Zigzig20s (talk) 01:22, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Zigzig20s I rewrote your sentence. It needs a citation. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:09, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

I removed it. It's a direct quote. That would be a copyright infringement. I am not sure how to add this content without paraphrasing it. I guess we may need to find more RS from Newspapers.com about the donation and the black reporter...Zigzig20s (talk) 18:10, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

User:7&6=thirteen: You've just rephrased it but it's too close to the text and sounds like Close Paraphrasing. That's the problem. Can you please remove it until we've found a better solution?Zigzig20s (talk) 18:12, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

It isn't close paraphrasing. Not at all. Remove it yourself. Have a nice day. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:13, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

The plot thickens

I am wondering if Dr. J. W. Morton, who grew poppies to make opium with Fountain E. Pitts, was John W. Morton (Tennessee politician)? I would say yes, but need an RS to be certain.Zigzig20s (talk) 03:21, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Or maybe his father...Zigzig20s (talk) 03:31, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

I need his father's year of death. Can't find it on Newspapers.com...Zigzig20s (talk) 03:54, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

For starters there is no "Morton" in my KKK book. hat might be finishers too. Carptrash (talk) 04:32, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

"It was Morton who initiated Nathan Bedford Forrest into the KKK.".Zigzig20s (talk) 04:43, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Isn't Tennessee fun? And by fun I mean mega creepy.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:46, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Kinda glad this is not in my family tree. Carptrash (talk) 04:46, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes. Well, if I can find Morton's father's obituary, I may be able to add another wikilink to Pitts's article...Zigzig20s (talk) 04:52, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm trying to look on FamilySearch, but I am lost.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:53, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

OK, his father was J. A. Morton, so I think I was probably right. But I still need an RS.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:36, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

I had an uncle, Fred, who worked at integrating schools in Tennessee during the 50s and 60s. He went to one school where all the teachers of the district had to attend a workshop (or whatever) and as soon as he started to talk all the teachers held up and began rereading newspapers and continued to do so through the entire event. I wonder how many, if any, listened to Fred from behind the papers? I like to think one or two. Carptrash (talk) 16:14, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Now they have private (Christian) academies. Problem solved.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:22, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Re: Morton. He died in 1914 and TN had begun to ban opium by 1913 (except for medical use). That may explain why there's no mention of 'opium' in his obituary, if that was indeed the same person. Still, I wish I knew. I began reading this article, but then I got bored. Morphine and cocaine was all the rage in the postbellum era apparently. Perhaps Lost Cause historians were all on it? That would explain a lot...Zigzig20s (talk) 17:22, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

By the way, this book tells us that Morton's daughter Queenie Stout was very involved with the UDC...Zigzig20s (talk) 17:32, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

I am also annoyed that the JSTOR article mentions Charles Fahey, a member of the Tennessee House of Representatives, but I can't find his obituary on Newspapers.com.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:19, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Don't let annoyance eat you up from inside.Carptrash (talk) 21:17, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

The only way to get rid of annoyance is to understand everything.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:59, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

I . . . .....don't understand? Carptrash (talk) 04:22, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Charles Fahey obituary. 21:20, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

1913 - ‎Snippet view - ‎More editions

as follows: Charles P. Fahey died Thursday morning, March 4, very suddenly and unexpectedly, having been seriously ill only a short while before death called him. Mr. Fahey had a remarkable record in the union labor movement in Nashville, and there has not been in recent years any position in the movement in which he has not served, and always with benefit to the cause he represented. Mr. Fahey's death will prove a distinct loss to organized labor, not only in Nashville and .. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:49, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I am unable to read the snippet, so I made a formal request to get the whole article.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:58, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

The labor movement in TN must have an odd history, probably ending with a lot of miners or something getting wiped out in 1923 or so. Carptrash (talk) 04:22, 21 December 2017 (UTC)+

It's worse: "On January 10, Davidson County's Representative Charles P. Fahey introduced Bill Number 87 "to separate white and colored passengers on streetcars."". Here's his obituary. I think I still need to find out exactly when he served in the Tennessee House of Representatives before I can create it--only in 1905, or other years too? Why is it so hard to find this information?Zigzig20s (talk) 04:41, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s: Here are a couple of links that might help, though neither lists dates on them. Probably those can be found elsewhere on the site. [2] [3] Carptrash (talk) 17:55, 21 December 2017 (UTC) This link shows dates and we can search for him on other years, [4] Carptrash (talk) 18:00, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

If I start a stub under construction, will you expand it please?Zigzig20s (talk) 19:12, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Send me a link to the stub and I'll see what I can do. Most of my Tennessee references are about architecture or the WPA. Carptrash (talk) 19:59, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Charles P. Fahey.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:01, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

He can't have attended a conference in November if he died in March.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:53, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Good point. Yet there he is "Chas p, Fahey" in the reference. Carptrash (talk) 22:59, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

He also shows up here -THE THIRTY-FOURTH ANNUAL CONVENTION OF THE AMERICAN FEDERATION OF LABOR HELD AT PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA November 9 to 2 1 , Inclusive 1914, so there must be two of him? Perhaps the labor guy and the politician are different people? Carptrash (talk) 23:03, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

No, his obituary in the Leatherworkers Journal mentions both. Did he die in 1914 instead?Zigzig20s (talk) 23:10, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Here is an obit of sort [5] from the union paper in January 1915, so, yes, he likely died in 1914. Carptrash (talk) 23:16, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Newspapers.com appears to be equally confused, I can now find his obituary in 1915 and 1917...I couldn't find his obituary yesterday... However I can find now find matches for 1915, so we'll go with that...Zigzig20s (talk) 23:17, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Newspapers.com suggests March 1915.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:19, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Can you get into this[6]? Carptrash (talk) 23:18, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes, March 1915.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:20, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

It was the Google Books snippet that was wrong.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:22, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Fahey looks OK now I think. I've also requested a clip of his picture from Newspapers.com on Commons. We still haven't solved the Morton mystery, but it may require more thorough research in archives...Zigzig20s (talk) 00:32, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

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Did you see this?Zigzig20s (talk) 04:51, 21 December 2017 (UTC) It

In football I think that play would be called an "end around" and in a battle, a "flanking maneuver." it will be interesting to see where the statues end up because they were not part of the sale, the city still owns them. I too a picture of the Jeff Davis statue File:Confederate Park, Memphis, TN, USA.jpg a decade ago while wandering around in Memphis and realized that at that time & place Jeff and I were the only white folk around. It struck me as inappropriate. Thanks for pointing this out. Carptrash (talk) 16:17, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

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Albert E. Hill

Are you interested in expanding Albert E. Hill too?Zigzig20s (talk) 00:55, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

A first scan of my place reveals nothing about the gent. I'll try here. Carptrash (talk) 03:36, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

I mean there are more matches on Newspapers.com, so I can expand it a bit more--and there is already an article on the German Wikipedia. But I would like to finish reading Logical Family first, so feel free to add more content in the mean time. I am not very interested in the labor movement to be honest--I prefer editing about the 1% as I may learn a few things from them...--but it looks like we have huge gaps on Wikipedia.Zigzig20s (talk) 03:43, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

I am probably more interested in labor history given my background, but I don't have much in my library. I did find one edit to make and you should go on to the subjects that interest you. Carptrash (talk) 03:45, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Do you not have access to Newspapers.com by the way?Zigzig20s (talk) 03:46, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

No, I tried but to no avail. I get bumped off it 7 times a day. (Slow Learner). Carptrash (talk) 03:49, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Did you try Wikipedia:Newspapers.com?Zigzig20s (talk) 03:52, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

I applied and was turned down, they only have so many accounts than got a message saying I could access some, but I never did get it going. Perhaps it is time to try again- when you fall off your horse and all that. Carptrash (talk) 03:54, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

If you can create the Tennessee State Federation of Labor, which might be called the Tennessee Federation of Labor, that would be good.Zigzig20s (talk) 03:59, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Also the Southern Labor Congress would be good.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:00, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

I will look, but not tonight. Bon nuit. PS Have you seen this? [7] Carptrash (talk) 04:02, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I mentioned it above.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:05, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Where did you find Albert E. Hill's full date of birth please? If it's from the German Wikipedia article, that's not an RS.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:54, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that's where I got it. No, actually I got it from Find-a- Grave [8] Carptrash (talk) 05:59, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Findagrave is not an RS. Feel free to expand the article if you want--I added a few more RS from Newspapers.com earlier.Zigzig20s (talk) 06:54, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

I am applying to join the Southern Labor Studies Association in hope that I can find some info there. Carptrash (talk) 18:26, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Good idea. Are you able to find Albert E. Hill's dates as legislator please?Zigzig20s (talk) 05:39, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

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From Stave one of Dickens A Christmas Carol Old Marley was as dead as a door-nail. Mind! I don’t mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country’s done for. You will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail. So you see even Charles was looking for a reliable source :-) Thank you for your contributions to the 'pedia. ~ MarnetteD|Talk 00:31, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Seasons' Greetings

...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:44, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

	Merry Christmas!
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Shaker greetings

	A Shaker Christmas wish
	Give good gifts, one to another Peace, joy and comfort gladly bestow Harbor no ill 'gainst sister or brother Smooth life's journey as you onward go. Broad as the sunshine, free as the showers. So shed an influence blessing to prove; Give for the noblest of efforts your pow'rs; Blest and be blest, is the law of love.

Treated myself to this for Christmas - haven't used it for article development yet, but that's coming. :-) Best to you, and happy editing in 2018 and beyond! --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 01:32, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

	Season's greetings!
	I hope this holiday season is festive and fulfilling and filled with love and kindness, and that 2018 will be safe, successful and rewarding...Modernist (talk) 12:00, 24 December 2017 (UTC) (UTC)

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Infobox

I am struggling a little bit with Asa Faulkner's infobox. Are you able to add his tenure in the state house and senate please? I tried and there was a series of red error messages...User:Zigzig20s (talk) 16:20, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s: I was just awakened by a robocall for my mother (deceased) after a long day yesterday culminating in a two hour drive home after midnight. I would not trust anything I do now, but I will see what i can find.................. Later. Carptrash (talk) 16:26, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Very sorry for your loss.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:32, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

It's been a while now but I don't need some salesperson going "poke, poke, poke." That is not why my brain is not yet functioning. Carptrash (talk) 17:39, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

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Session musician

Thanks for your citation in this article! I went in after you and tightened it up a bit. If you are able to provide a few more citations to back up others of the article's assertions, and assure the reader we did not totally pull this article out of a bodily orifice, it will satisfy the "original research" warning someone attached, and I'll remove that. Spike-from-NH (talk) 03:56, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

@Spike-from-NH: I will see what I can do. I notice my first edit on the talk page was in 2005, the article is much improved since though does lack sources. Most of what I have are biographies or autobiographies of session players, Hal Blaine, Earl Palmer, Bobby Graham, Tommy Tedesco and Bill Aken but it is hard finding them talking about the stuff in the article that needs sourcing. Both Blaine & Tedesco discuss bringing a car or van full of stuff to a session, which is mentioned, but I have not been able to find those yet. I will try. Carptrash (talk) 04:46, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

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Prudity

This might make you chuckle: Pennsylvania State Capitol sculpture groups#Nudity controversy == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:27, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

@BoringHistoryGuy: Nice. That they were installed by Giulio Piccirilli strongly suggests that he also carved it. I will look into that. After I stop chuckling, of course. Carptrash (talk) 01:41, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

I had the references for this nudity section back in March, but I guess I got distracted by something else. I may add more anecdotes, but the Chicago Tribune article is a hoot. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:52, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

What would distract you from nudity? Nothing comes to my mind. Carptrash (talk) 02:01, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Touché. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:57, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello!

I've haven't been around Wiki as much in quite a while, but I thought I'd drop a line and say hello. Hope things are goin' well! Garagepunk66 (talk) 08:28, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

@Garagepunk66: There are those who believe that wikibreaks are essential to help maintain one's mental, emotional, social and even physical well-being. I am one of those. Welcome back. Einar aka

Carptrash (talk) 16:58, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

You're so right! Garagepunk66 (talk) 17:58, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Belated best wishes for a happy 2018

^{The Fox Hunt (1893) by Winslow Homer, Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts.}
Thank you for your contributions toward making Wikipedia a better and more accurate place.

Looking back on a year of edits, perhaps I could be described as "Works well with others (but prefers not to)." == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:52, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

I thought we worked pretty well together. You'd make 20 edits, I'd change a coma, you'd make 30 edits, I'd add a statue, your make 40 edits, I'd applaud from the sidelines. Carptrash (talk) 16:07, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Hey, don't under-rate yourself. Many of the articles I expand were created by you. I think the only sculptor article I started was Howard Roberts (sculptor). Plus, you have the reference books.

Speaking of which, anything to add from Dorothy Grafly's biography? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:57, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Snowflake Bentley

Hello Einar
Thanks for your note; sorry for the delay in replying (blame the flu!) As to your question, I noticed that the Bentley article had a comparison to Blossfeldt in the text (here). I couldn't really see the point of this; there was nothing to suggest they knew each other, or (given that the readership here are more likely to have heard of Bentley than Blossfeldt) that such a comparison would be useful. So I deleted it, but it seemed worth mentioning as a see also there. So, to be even-handed, I added Bentley as a see also to the Blossfeldt page. I hope that helps, Moonraker12 (talk) 15:10, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

No worries, chat away! (and thank you, yes, I'm betterish). I hadn't realized the Blossfeldt page got so much stick! Anyway, all the best, Moonraker12 (talk) 17:58, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your note: And, no worries; there's nothing wrong with being asked for an explanation if the reason for the edit isn't obvious. Moonraker12 (talk) 22:14, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

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The Wrecking Crew

My thing about The Wrecking Crew was not a rant by any means, but rather I was intending to dispel the myths and certain exaggerations. It must be noted that, according to Jon Stebbins' FAQ work, The Beach Boys have been unfairly written off by journalists as a band who never played on their own records, but that's far from the truth. 203.221.15.210 (talk) 08:04, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

@203.221.15.210: I responded on your talk page. Carptrash (talk) 18:36, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

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February 2018

Please don't change the format of dates, as you did to Hannibal. As a general rule, if an article has evolved using predominantly one format, the dates should be left in the format they were originally written in, unless there are reasons for changing it based on strong national ties to the topic. Please also note that Wikipedia does not use ordinal suffixes (e.g., st, nd, th), articles, or leading zeros on dates.

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It makes no sense at all to change the date format in just one of the sections, and if you believe it should be changed in the whole article then I suggest that you discuss it on the talk page. Meters (talk) 21:45, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

@Meters: Your point is well made and well received. I was considering launching into the article and changing them all and I might have but was sidetracked by life. My belief is that BC is offensive to some folks, but then I suppose that BCE is offensive to others. I was at the article for another reason (to add Hannibal to the List of suicides elsewhere) and just sort of slide into the date thing. I stand (sit) corrected. Carptrash (talk) 23:03, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

No biggie. I was surprised to see an experienced editor do a one-off like that. Meters (talk) 23:05, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

@Meters: I am an experienced editor with pronounced anarchist, even occasionally bomb throwing leanings. I need watching, thanks for doing it. Carptrash (talk) 23:08, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

If I had been thinking I would have just left you a note rather than a template. My apologies. Meters (talk) 23:11, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

However, @Meters:, I do implore you to let the sleeping Mascara Snake lie. He (it?) is much beloved and is getting almost 30 hits a day. Worth doing nothing about, I think (feel). Carptrash (talk) 23:20, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Lead section at Wrecking Crew

Thanks for bringing up the topic about the wording in the lead section of the Wrecking Crew article. I know that the debate there go a bit intense amongst the various editors involved, but I hope that the wording in the section evolved to a place that you like better than what there was before. Garagepunk66 (talk) 05:42, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes, thank you @Garagepunk66:, this is fine. I don't mind that other name, the Wall Of Sound Orchestra being mentioned, it was, in my mind, just not that important so should not be in the lede. Carptrash (talk) 06:16, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

That's what I figured and I'm glad that it all worked out. I hope that it turned out to be a win-win for everybody in the discussion. Garagepunk66 (talk) 18:15, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

I feel okay about it, I am not sure about the other fellow. I think I might have gotten a bit snippy in that exchange. Carptrash (talk) 18:17, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

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Precious three years!

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Vice video

Have you seen this Vice video about the Denton Confederate Soldier Monument?Zigzig20s (talk) 01:06, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

List of Mexican-American War monuments?

Are there any? I suppose perhaps this one on the Mexican side. And this one at the Mexico City National Cemetery on the American side. Are you able to find more please?Zigzig20s (talk) 11:21, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

So my first question, @Zigzig20s: is to define the terms. Since many, almost most, of the generals who fought in the Civl War were veterans of the Mexican American War we can find a reference to it on a lot of monuments to them. Does that count? Then there is Gen Winfield Scott, who, as I recall (dangerous territory) led the US forces in that was but was pretty much a bust in the Civil War. I suspect (guess) that statues of him typically have him in his MAWar uniform. Does that count? Are you starting an article about them? Where do you want to store such monuments when they arise. I remember finding a memorial to a guy who was killed during the war in a cemetery in Philadelphia. Does that count? I think that the Civil War happened so soon after it that the focus on muniments was put there. I don't remember what the inscription of the monument in Santa Fe Plaza says, it could be one. But we shall see what we shall see. Carptrash (talk) 16:07, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

No mention of it in Santa Fe Plaza. Could you please add an RS? I think the memorials on this list should make specific references to the war or battles.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:16, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

I have photos of all inscriptions on that Santa Fe Plaza monument somewhere ... okay dug them out ... okay I wrote out the entire inscriptions now into the Santa Fe Plaza article, in a new "Monument" section. Interesting, strongly worded monument, but it is not about American-Mexican War. --Doncram (talk) 03:49, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Not sure @Zigzig20s: what an RS is? That monument turns out to be Civil War anyway. Sorry about answering this in the wrong thread. Not sure how that happened Carptrash (talk) 21:56, 8 March 2018 (UT

PS - found it, RS (WP:RS) – Reliable sources." An RS for what? Carptrash (talk) 21:59, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Surely there must be more Mexican-American War monuments? Not sure why they're so hard to find.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:21, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Because @Zigzig20s: it was a shitty little war, more like highway robbery than anything else and because the Civil War happened so soon afterwards that it stole the limelight. Still there will be some to be found if we look in the right places. Carptrash (talk) 22:23, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

There may be clues around the Aztec Club of 1847 and the List of members of the Aztec Club of 1847...Zigzig20s (talk) 22:41, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes. Contrary to Confederate monuments, there seems to be MAW monuments representing both sides.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:20, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes. We need to start a list...Zigzig20s (talk) 00:26, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

List of Mexican-American War monuments and memorials. This needs a ton of work, including references and expansion...Zigzig20s (talk) 04:01, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Not a bad start!Zigzig20s (talk) 05:20, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

"On the mall in Washington, D.C., "conspicuously missing" is any memorial to the Mexican-American War." Maybe it's time to build one?Zigzig20s (talk) 18:54, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

I am not sure that such a monument could (or SHOULD) be allowed to pass the political correctness test it would face today. When Kearney (?) arrived near Santa Fe NM he worked out a surrender with the local Mexican commander which granted the US all the territory up to the Rio Grande. When Kearney got there he immediately reneged on the deal and proceeded to take everything west of the river all the way to, and including California. Not really, in my opinion @Zigzig20s:, something to be proud of or to celebrate and memorialize. Carptrash (talk) 19:01, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I doubt Michael Rectenwald's colleagues would approve.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:08, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Bronx Walk of Fame

Are you interested in this please?Zigzig20s (talk) 19:07, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

I am not sure what it is, @Zigzig20s: or that I am ready for another project, since I am still trying to dig up more Mex-Am monuments and am only at 70 out of 100 in the List of sculptures in the National Statuary Hall Collection article. Carptrash (talk) 22:02, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes, good point. It can wait.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:11, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Hey @Zigzig20s:, don't wait for me.Carptrash (talk) 22:42, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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		Thank you for all your hard work on the List of Mexican-American War monuments and memorials!Zigzig20s (talk) 16:20, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Memorial categories

Before getting too carried away with Category:War monuments and memorials you might want to take a look at the extensive hierarchy at Category:Monuments and memorials, in particular Category:Military monuments and memorials Le Deluge (talk) 10:11, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

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Why I moved Bruce Saville to Bruce Saville (Sculptor)

There is also a influential business man name Bruce Saville and I created his page.Jackery01 (talk)

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Walter T. Durham's grandfather

Hello. Are you able to find Walter T. Durham's grandfather's obituaries please?Zigzig20s (talk) 19:23, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

C-SPAN fun

I think you will enjoy Jerry E. Patterson's introduction in this video (especially at 11 minutes). He suggests many Anglo settlers in Texas were illegal immigrants.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:51, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Jim Gray (sculptor)

Jim Gray (sculptor) may be notable. For example he designed a statue of Dolly Parton outside the Sevier County Courthouse.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:08, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, @Zigzig20s:, I have no doubt that he is notable but when I type "sculpture" into my Librarything page [9], where I do most of my work from, I get 688 possibilities, none of which will include Jim Gray. SO probably not, especially since I am somewhat on a wikibreak. Carptrash (talk) 22:11, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Enjoy your vacation. Please ping me when you're back!Zigzig20s (talk) 13:08, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

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This is image is a section of a building. It was never copyrighted, architectural sculpture rarely is, and even if it were it was never extended, or whatever, after 27 years. This image might not even be in an article, I posted it to get help from another editor who translated the Hebrew for me. Carptrash (talk) 05:19, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

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There is description of what the pictures is in the caption. Carptrash (talk) 18:15, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

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There has been a problem detected in a series of images that include but is not limited to File:French fasces 02.jpg and File:RJcemetery1.jpg. It appears that the “Description” and “Author” of these images has been omitted. The source of the images, from a couple of 1910 and 1912 portfolios is given, or they are pictures I took in a cemetery. The portfolios are in New Mexico. I am in Arizona. I have decided that if Commons and wikipedia deem these image to be unacceptable as is, so be it. I understand that the copyright folks are doing their best, I have done my best, let the chips (or in this case, the images) fall where they may. Carptrash (talk) 18:15, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

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There has been a problem detected in a series of images that include but is not limited to File:French fasces 02.jpg and File:RJcemetery1.jpg. It appears that the “Description” and “Author” of these images has been omitted. The source of the images, from a couple of 1910 and 1912 portfolios is given, or they are pictures I took in a cemetery. The portfolios are in New Mexico. I am in Arizona. I have decided that if Commons and wikipedia deem these image to be unacceptable as is, so be it. I understand that the copyright folks are doing their best, I have done my best, let the chips (or in this case, the images) fall where they may. Carptrash (talk) 18:16, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

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ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:17, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

There has been a problem detected in a series of images that include but is not limited to File:French fasces 02.jpg and File:RJcemetery1.jpg. It appears that the “Description” and “Author” of these images has been omitted. The source of the images, from a couple of 1910 and 1912 portfolios is given, or they are pictures I took in a cemetery. The portfolios are in New Mexico. I am in Arizona. I have decided that if Commons and wikipedia deem these image to be unacceptable as is, so be it. I understand that the copyright folks are doing their best, I have done my best, let the chips (or in this case, the images) fall where they may. Carptrash (talk) 18:16, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

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ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:18, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

There has been a problem detected in a series of images that include but is not limited to File:French fasces 02.jpg and File:RJcemetery1.jpg. It appears that the “Description” and “Author” of these images has been omitted. The source of the images, from a couple of 1910 and 1912 portfolios is given, or they are pictures I took in a cemetery. The portfolios are in New Mexico. I am in Arizona. I have decided that if Commons and wikipedia deem these image to be unacceptable as is, so be it. I understand that the copyright folks are doing their best, I have done my best, let the chips (or in this case, the images) fall where they may. Carptrash (talk) 18:16, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

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ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:19, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

There has been a problem detected in a series of images that include but is not limited to File:French fasces 02.jpg and File:RJcemetery1.jpg. It appears that the “Description” and “Author” of these images has been omitted. The source of the images, from a couple of 1910 and 1912 portfolios is given, or they are pictures I took in a cemetery. The portfolios are in New Mexico. I am in Arizona. I have decided that if Commons and wikipedia deem these image to be unacceptable as is, so be it. I understand that the copyright folks are doing their best, I have done my best, let the chips (or in this case, the images) fall where they may. Carptrash (talk) 18:16, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

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ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:19, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

There has been a problem detected in a series of images that include but is not limited to File:French fasces 02.jpg and File:RJcemetery1.jpg. It appears that the “Description” and “Author” of these images has been omitted. The source of the images, from a couple of 1910 and 1912 portfolios is given, or they are pictures I took in a cemetery. The portfolios are in New Mexico. I am in Arizona. I have decided that if Commons and wikipedia deem these image to be unacceptable as is, so be it. I understand that the copyright folks are doing their best, I have done my best, let the chips (or in this case, the images) fall where they may. Carptrash (talk) 18:17, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

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Commons

You seem good with Commons. Do you mind if I ask you to upload two pictures for me please, in anticipation/celebration of the DYK?Zigzig20s (talk) 14:12, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s:, Sure, you can ask anything, I'll do almost anything. What pictures? Carptrash (talk) 15:22, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Would you please consider uploading this painting (for Joseph Thorpe Elliston) and this picture, taken from this list, (for Burlington)? Potentially a picture/painting of William Robert Elliston if you can find one, too.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:30, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s: I will look at it but this is not the sort of uploading I normally do, that is, my own pictures or copyright free things that I scan from old books of mine. I do not know how to deal with copy right issues with images from other web sites. I will look into it. Carptrash (talk) 15:35, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

This one for W.R. Elliston. Yes, it is tricky.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:37, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s: Worse than tricky, I don't think it can be done. They include this disclaimer:

Conditions for Image Use 1. Images must be properly credited: Courtesy of Tennessee State Library and Archives.  2. Images may be resized for patron convenience. Images are not to be digitally manipulated or changes in any way without expressly noting “Image has been altered from the original.”  3. Images are to be used only once for the purpose listed on this form. Any subsequent or different use constitutes a re-use and must be applied for in writing subject to applicable fees.  4. Users assume responsibility for questions of copyright and invasion of privacy that may arise in the use of the TSLA image(s).  5. TSLA reserves the right to limit the number of copies; to restrict the use and reproduction of rare or valuable materials; to make special price quotations for materials involving unusual difficulty in digitizing or scanning; and to charge a different fee than specified for such services.  6. The Tennessee State Library and Archives encourages the researcher to provide this repository with one complimentary copy of the finished work.

So anything gotten from there would not fit wikipedia or Commons guidelines. Carptrash (talk) 15:50, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

OK. A not-so-public library... I fail to see how they can restrict it if the copyright has expired, but we may need another source.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:03, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

User:BrineStans: FYI.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:03, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps this only applies to pictures still under copyright (see expiration date)? Thus not to the painting of J.T. Elliston, but perhaps to the pictures of the house and W.R. Elliston?Zigzig20s (talk) 16:11, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

It's their website, they can copyright whatever is on it. If you could find the picture in a pre 1923 book then fine, but they seem pretty clear that, whether they should or not, feel that they own the copy rights. Carptrash (talk) 16:27, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Can they not only copyright new content created after 1923? Anyway, there may be pictures on Newspapers.com or an old book as you suggest, but it may take a while to find it. I thought they loved celebrating their heritage!Zigzig20s (talk) 17:11, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

I believe that they are not copy righting the images but the content of their web page. It's not a fight I want to get into with either the State Of Tennessee or with the folks at Commons. Though I might ask them. Carptrash (talk) 18:07, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

The folks of Commons may be interested?Zigzig20s (talk) 18:33, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps on the Help Desk?Zigzig20s (talk) 18:56, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

I asked, they will probably answer. Cross fingers and hold breath. Carptrash (talk) 19:02, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you!Zigzig20s (talk) 19:23, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

There is a response. Do you understand it and are you able to contextualize it please?Zigzig20s (talk) 19:25, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

I think you have my email address. Please drop me a line because this is going to get long and convoluted, I think. Carptrash (talk) 19:34, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

I replied on the Help Desk too.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:38, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

As I understand it, you can't copyright an exact scan of a painting/photograph with an expired copyright (in the United States). This was a few years ago, however, so I don't know if anything has changed. I know there was an issue with someone from Wikipedia downloading several dozen scans of famous artworks from a London art museum, but I'm not sure how that played out. BrineStans (talk) 15:08, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

FYI, here is the relevant policy: [10] BrineStans (talk) 15:15, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

User:BrineStans: We now have a painting of J. T. Elliston and a drawing of W. R. Elliston, but still no picture of Burlington.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:02, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Awesome, glad it was resolved. I'll see what I can find on Burlington. BrineStans (talk) 17:07, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

User:BrineStans: Cooper also did a portrait of William Henry Calhoun, given to the Odd Fellows' Grand Lodge in 1896. Are you able to find it please?Zigzig20s (talk) 23:10, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Second opinion

Do you mind if I ask you which version is better please?Zigzig20s (talk) 23:56, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Interesting note

The Confederate Veteran was established one year after the Lynching of Ephraim Grizzard. Not sure if any researcher has picked up on that yet. (I'm nominating the lynching for DYK.)Zigzig20s (talk) 11:45, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Bust of Cristiano Ronaldo

Hello! As someone who edits sculpture articles often, I'm wondering if you have an opinion on whether or not this article (currently redirected) belongs in the main space. If you have any thoughts re: notability, please feel free to contribute to this discussion. Thank you. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:48, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

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Our "friend" Edith

Simpson spells it out on page 63 of his book...Zigzig20s (talk) 07:07, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

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Confederate monuments

I was hoping you comment on a matter at the Removal of Confederate monuments and memorials talk page.--MagicatthemovieS

DYK for List of Mexican–American War monuments and memorials

On 2 June 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article List of Mexican–American War monuments and memorials, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that monuments and memorials to the fallen in the Mexican–American War include a US national cemetery in Mexico City? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, List of Mexican–American War monuments and memorials), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Hi Carptrash! Just a quick comment regarding an edit you made to my talk page post here - I don't mind that - but as you changed it, now it seems like I'm saying "Not Done: FAQ" to you, since you nested my post under your reply. Of course, everybody will understand that I was replying to the editor that requested the change, but in more complicated discussions with many threads, such indentation changes may make a discussion harder to follow. You might want to take a look at WP:INDENT, just for future reference. =)

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A beer for you!

As you mentioned, you're probably at the brewery, but here's another one for when you get home! =) I'm already on my fourth. =D byteflush Talk 23:58, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks @Byteflush:, that topped things off very well. Carptrash (talk) 15:21, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLVI, June 2018

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