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Per the tag "Please do not remove this notice while the question is being considered."

If you wish to assert that the copyright holder has released the maps under GNU, there is a procedure in place for that. The text you placed on Talk:Vancouver_Marathon is not sufficient. Via the formal procedure, the copyright holder would, in effect, be removing the copyright from the image.

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Public Seal of Hong Kong

It would explain why I couldn't get very many google results when researching it. Thank you very much for that! Biofoundationsoflanguage (talk) 17:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Template:Can LawEnforce‎

good point, hadn't looked at it like that. in the uk at least, manpower is an abstract noun, a concept. 'types of officer'? 'types of law enforcer'? ninety:one 18:27, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Westlife-related articles

the Westlife-related articles are all ok now. Thanks. TThe Love Album is already now ok too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Myxxd (talk • contribs) 14:11, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Rollback

Hi Cahk, just a quick note to let you know that I've added the Rollback tool to your account. Yours is the first account I've given this permission to, and after reviewing your contributions I think you can be trusted with it – please don't prove my judgement wrong! You might find it helpful to read through the page at Wikipedia:Rollback if you haven't already, and feel free to let me know if there are any problems with it —αlεx•mullεr 21:07, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello Cahk, based on this edit, I am concerned you don't understand vandalism reversion all that well, and as such should probably not have rollback. Rather then outright revoking it, I was wondering if you could perhaps allay that concern, and explain that comment? Thanks, Prodego ^talk 00:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Everyone makes mistakes in counter vandalism, but rollback should be used very carefully. Though most of your rollbacks have looked fine to me, this one did not strike me as vandalism. Especially when you are new to the tool, "measure twice and cut once". JackSchmidt (talk) 01:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Responded on JackSchmidt & Prodego --Cahk (talk) 02:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Howdy, unfortunately the edit you reverted was not "vandalism". The anon edit was merely wrong. The policy specifically say that:

Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Even harmful edits that are not explicitly made in bad faith are not considered vandalism.

Now, absolutely you should correct the mistake the anon editor made! However, use the "undo" rather than "rollback", and give an edit summary like "revert: this has confused two distinct series by same author" or so. JackSchmidt (talk) 02:14, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if I was not clear. Absolutely, copyvio should be reverted, and the offending url should be mentioned. If an editor continues to add copyvio's to wikipedia, they need to be blocked (and that typically requires a few warnings first). So definitely revert, just not using rollback. Rather use "undo", and give an edit summary such as "copyvio: http://www.voyageronline.com.au/books/title.cfm?ISBN=0732278511&Author=18". JackSchmidt (talk) 02:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

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OOP

Please see the sources (external links) for those articles. I'm afraid we need to go by the documents, rather than personal speculation and rationales, otherwise we're engaging in Original Research which is not permitted. For example, see the official Table of Precedence for Ontario which makes no reference to the Queeen in the main table or footnotes. Reggie Perrin (talk) 10:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

My observation is "order of precedence" for a particular province refers specifically to the order for public officials from that province and doesn't include people from other jurisdictions. I assume, though, that if the Governor General were to visit a function in Manitoba she would be accommodated according to the federal rules of precedence, as would the Queen. We can't actually say that though without a source. Reggie Perrin (talk) 19:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

OOP

That looks credible. Go ahead and add it in but make sure to provide the source. Reggie Perrin (talk) 20:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

The Order of precedence in Saskatchewan is already laid out according to the information you provided. I don't know if we can assume that other provinces use the same protocol. Reggie Perrin (talk) 20:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, but beware of Original Research. We can only use published sources, not emails. If they put something up on a website - that's fine. Reggie Perrin (talk) 23:21, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

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OOP

Is that written down in a published document or somewhere on the BC LG website? Given the SK evidence you provided I'm inclined now to think that you're correct but we really need documentation. Reggie Perrin (talk) 21:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

That's sufficient to add the Queen to the BC precedence page (she's already on the SK page). Is there anything similar on the LG websites for other provinces? I don't think you necessarily have to find a citation for each province but one or two more would be good for a "critical mass". Reggie Perrin (talk) 23:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I think you've proven your case. Just include the citation(s) when you edit the pages. Reggie Perrin (talk) 00:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

You should put in the source as a reference beside the entry for the Queen. Reggie Perrin (talk) 01:05, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, your edit note suggested you had just rolled back the edit and not added a citation. I see now that there are citations. Reggie Perrin (talk) 02:47, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:New Zealand order of precedence

A reply's been written on that page. 118.90.114.226 (talk) 12:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

My edit to Lying From You

How was my edit vandalism? I thought it was a reasonable change. The song is rapcore (or rap rock if you will, I personally refer to it was rapcore) as it features rapping from Shinoda, as well as samples (the car burning out). Titan50 (talk) 21:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I see where you're coming from, I have vandalised pages in the past ( :( ), but this was not meant as vandalism. Shall I revert the edit, or do you want me to leave it? Titan50 (talk) 21:07, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Case closed. [2]Cahk (talk) 21:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Westlife Sales

The problem is largely that there are no official figures for worldwide sales, so these are estimates and they vary, we have no idea where these figures are coming from or if they are simply made up by the newspapers, or, as i believe, are all sourced from a self published particular press release that contained the same figure, so i think the best thing to do is to include the word 'estimate' so people know its not official and include the lowest figure and the highest sourced figures. --neonwhite user page talk 02:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Westlife

Truly sorry about the citation formats. Thanks for pointing them out (:--Longyuano (talk) 07:44, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Mr Niebla

I have already reported him for vandalism in relation to taking done the AfD tags and defacing three user pages after being warned. Just FYI.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 04:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Much appreciated.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 04:34, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Happy Easter.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 04:36, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the heads up. I left a note over there and will keep an eye on it. KnightLago (talk) 19:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

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Report at AIV

Just to let you know that I am about to remove the ip report. If you are using a script to make the reports then you had best edit it to remove stuff about "vandalising after final warning" when it isn't the case. If you aren't using a script... please try and be accurate in the report. I am removing the report as the ip has not edited in a while and the ip may have been re-assigned. No point in blocking a potential good contributor. Cheers. LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:57, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Someone else did the honours while I was explaining myself here... ;~) LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:58, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

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I didn't vandalize

I didn't vandalize, I was reading an article and it said I had a new message. It might be one of my family downstairs, I will check.

Do you have any suggestions to avoid this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.141.29.113 (talk) 22:22, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

From 71.145.162.149 ……

Please respect the fact that Wiki User: 71.145.162.169 is an IP Address and that it is a shared IP Address. We are really sorry for anything we did that was unconstructive and had no citations. We read the Wikipedia Policy and Etiquette. We'll be more careful in the future. We came in March 9, 2008. So we are new. We will read the Policy. Thank you for reading this message, Cahk.

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Replied on talk page --User:Cahk ^(talk) 00:03, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Contact

Hi,

Sorry to bug you. I've a question that will, no doubt, mark me as something of an idiot; but, I'm sure you can help.

I'd like to contact someone who recently made an edit on an article, in order to ask him to clarify a statement; how do I do this? Thanks

Alban —Preceding unsigned comment added by Albanman (talk • contribs) 16:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

vandalproof bug

Did you ever get your vandalproof issue resolved? I haven't been able to log in since I was approved and it didn't seem like there was any new discussion on the talk page.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 07:08, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Darn it. Oh well. Thanks for letting me know, still no joy on my side either (obviously).--Torchwood Who? (talk) 07:40, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I do enjoy my twinkle with rollback too, but I was hoping for a better way to organize my recent changes patrolling. I jumped in twice so far, but it's a little overwhelming right off the bat.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 07:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Editing Bertie Ahern

Reference to children and grandchildren are peripheral to the main character and distract the narrative of the subject and where relevant belong to a footnote only. Ahern's children and grand-children are independent of Ahern and are appropriate only as a footnote, to an article on Ahern, if at all. 02:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

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194.46.229.3

Ah, yes. That would be one of the many IPs of the elusive person who you, I and others have continued to revert on Bertie Ahern's page. I've undone the most recent and I guess that'll put the page back on watch. This isn't the first time he or she has responded in this manner. Therequiembellishere (talk) 03:35, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

User:75.145.162.169 on the verge.

Before you say anything, I know you want me (us) to create an account on Wikipedia and you already told me! For the last time, I didn't vandalize the pages!! I'm just a noob. But I've gotten better over 2008. I know the warnings are not from me only and since Wikipedia is based on concensus.

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More universities

Which ones? GreenJoe 03:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'll add them to my watch list. Does BC have enough Universities now? :p GreenJoe 03:37, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't disagree with Emily Carr. The Ontario College of Art & Design is technically a University. And your UC's never made sense to me. But yeah, it does seem a bit too much. The way Capilano College's site reads, I get the impression their "bid" came out after the report from the people recommending the 3 UC's be upgraded. GreenJoe 04:39, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I took the initiative to create Uni category's for all the org's, and to add the BC Uni template to the article's. Didn't really make sense to create cat's based on their current name. GreenJoe 22:14, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

The name of the article is staying as-is for now. GreenJoe 22:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

So how many graduates of a BC University does it take change in a light bulb? GreenJoe 21:41, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

None. The admission standards for a University in BC were so low that the light bulb decided to go to University itself and seek that change. (Perhaps Trinity Western University?!?) Once there, he knew that BC had such a wild Uni party scene that he got sloshed, and convicted of drunk driving. The end. GreenJoe 21:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh boy, you really need to go to bed. First I was highlighting your fear of lower admission standards. Two, I was taking a direct hit at TWU, and three, I was giving a blow to low BC admissions standards. Get some sleep and then re-read it. GreenJoe 22:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Sleep is good for the soul. GreenJoe 22:43, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

May-schmay. Get sleep now, ask me how!! GreenJoe 00:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Univ.

No, those are already Universities!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.60.37 (talk) 22:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

They are already Universities now24.84.60.37 (talk) 22:31, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I just added Universities' names that they officially became Universities already.24.84.60.37 (talk) 22:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, so they are not Universities yet. The News I read was false. When will they become "OFFICIALLY" Universities???24.84.60.37 (talk) 22:50, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

The websites of schools said "We anticipate legislation to establish the new mandate for our institution will come into effect by May 2008." It's only 5days away... They are going to be Universities for sure. Why shouldn't we add them on the list??24.84.60.37 (talk) 22:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I understood. They might officially become Universities, but "legally." Let's leave them for a while.24.84.60.37 (talk) 23:14, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Ahern/Cowen help

The IP (this time as 194.46.235.142) deleted the presidents again, and with the change, I can't watch the two at once. Could you please have the lot blocked? Therequiembellishere (talk) 01:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, just thought you were. What should the appropriate action be? I wasn't successful the last time I tried because I hadn't sufficiently warned them. Therequiembellishere (talk) 18:48, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Universities

Cool, thanks. I was just going by what I saw in the articles as I came across them, really. Bearcat (talk) 05:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I won't say "I told you so"...

...but I told you so! _GB^T/C 06:58, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Did I accuse you of biting? I don't believe so - I was pointing out that care should be taken when one is dealing with an editor who could be editing an article about themselves - yes, there's a COI, but there are also BLP concerns. There's a useful guideline around here somewhere, but I can't lay my hands on it at the moment - if I come across it I'll post you a link. _GB^T/C 07:09, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

BC Uni list

We should use Wikipedia's own precedent, not that of the BC gov. I'm willing to discuss it, but your order isn't alphabetical. GreenJoe 15:24, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Okanagan College

Hey, I could use your help. If you could add Okanagan College to your watch list, it seems to be the small target; having some school multimedia club trying to add their link to the article. Thanks. GreenJoe 23:40, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Kevin Annett

Thanks for the message - probably pretty inevitable, I guess. Anyway, the threat's been blanked, and he's been warned - as recent deletion reviews like this article's have shown, just because someone wants their page gone doesn't mean it'll go. Whether that's the right approach or not, I don't know. _GB^T/C 12:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

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Template talk:Csa

I've started a mini-RFC over at Template talk:Csa and I'd love your feedback. Thanks. GreenJoe 12:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

elementary schools.

before you go to much trouble adding Canadian elementary schools, please bee aware that they do not usually survive AfD unless there is some evidence of notability such as 3rd party independent reliable published sources, print or online (but not blogs or press releases), giving something more than directory information. The only exceptions seem to be ones with some significant award or of major historical importance. The best thing to do is to merge them in articles for the school district. I didn't make the rule, though I do agree with it. DGG (talk) 13:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC).

Thought it was you, sorry--whole bunch of Candian schools--I'll go back and figure it out.As for the enrollment stats, they'll still be in the merged articles. Sorry, and thanks. DGG (talk) 19:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

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could you please do me a favor?

Hello,

I am a master student at the Institute of Technology Management, National Tsing Hua University, Taiwan. Currently I am wrapping up my master thesis titled “Can Wikipedia be used for knowledge service?” In order to validate the knowledge evolution maps of identified users in Wikipedia, I need your help. I have generated a knowledge evolution map to denote your knowledge activities in Wikipedia according to your inputs including the creation and modification of contents in Wikipedia, and I need you to validate whether the generated knowledge evolution map matches the knowledge that you perceive you own it. Could you please do me a favor?

I will send you a URL link to a webpage on which your knowledge evolution map displays. Please assign the topic (concept) in the map to a certain cluster on the map according to the relationship between the topic and clusters in your cognition, or you can assign it to ‘none of above’ if there is no suitable cluster.
I will also send a questionnaire to you. The questions are related to my research topic, and I need your viewpoints about these questions.

The deadline of my thesis defense is set by the end of June, 2008. There is no much time left for me to wrap up the thesis. If you can help me, please reply this message. I will send you the URL link of the first part once I receive your response. The completion of my thesis heavily relies much on your generous help.

Sincerely

JnW ^talk 13:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

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I'm afraid its not 'a joke' The joke is what Wikipedia's article on this institute has become. It needs major cleaning up. Have you seen the prominent tags placed on the article and my edit here? Artene50 (talk) 22:33, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

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Someone, probably you, requested access to the account creation tool. For security purposes could you please confirm that it was you who made the request so we can approve you, thanks. ——RyanLupin • (talk) 10:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

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laugh

dont take it so seriously. im only having a laugh - feeling free

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--Congratulations! PeterSymonds (talk) 10:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal - LMCC, MCC, MCCQE

I like your re-write -- though I still think they ought to be separate articles. People interested in understanding what a LMCC is and what the MCCQE is -- aren't necessarily interested in knowing about the MCC.

There is a lot more that could be written about the LMCC (e.g. its history and relation to independent practise & how it is used for limited practise certificates) and MCCQE (e.g. MCCEE vs. MCCQE, valve of MCCQE -- is it useful or just a little hurdle to jump?) -- I don't see why they can't wait to grow, i.e. be a stub 'til they get longer. Nephron T|C 06:20, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

VandalProof

I noticed you commented on User talk:AmiDaniel/VP/Discuss#VP not loggin in and wanted to give you a heads up I replied there explaining the situation. Prodego ^talk 03:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Provincial Emergency Program page

Hello Cahk:

I notice that you are an original contributor to the wikipedia page "Provincial Emergency Program", and recongnize the amount of work that has gone into creating this page. I would like to let you know that PEP will updating and summarizing key information about these government services on this page.

Sincerely
PEP Web Administrator —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pepweb (talk • contribs) 16:59, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

PEP page

Thank you for setting me straight on wiki page formatting. Pepweb (talk) 17:40, 8 September 2008 (UTC)pepweb

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Hey. I deferred request 12818 back to the admins. The username is too close to User:Ansu-vansh to be created by a user. Matt (Talk) 09:07, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

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Template:Border guards

Border guard is roughly taken to mean the people who physically man the border and are more concerned with what happens away from points of entry than at them. Normally, the work at POEs in done by more specific immigration agencies. The HKPF (+customs) as opposed to the Immigration Department would be a perfect example of that, similar to the US who have a clear distinction between United States Border Patrol and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The UK is virtually unique in combining all border-related agencies into one. Do you still contest my change or did that make it clearer? ninety:one 21:40, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Cool, thanks :) ninety:one 19:24, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

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