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Stewie Griffin

Can you please tell me why you reverted my edit? It's a quote from the episode and directly related to the homosexuality issue. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 05:10, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Cleveland Show.

Here is it, and I quote:


Does that work? --HELLØ ŦHERE 17:47, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand how "number of episodes produced" doesn't mean "produced number". 35 episodes have been produced (or will be), that is the number of episodes. I don't really see the problem? We have the number of episodes, and it is sourced. It is perfectly within the guidelines. --HELLØ ŦHERE 18:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand how the infobox isn't a guideline? If it isn't then most pages are incorrect. It is by the number produced. If that were the case then several shows shouldn't have lots of pages which list the names of episodes and their summaries. They shouldn't have the number of produced episodes in their infobox. The Cleveland Show page shouldn't list anything then because it has not aired a single episode or season. It is sourced and it follows the infobox. I do not see the problem? --HELLØ ŦHERE 18:11, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Quad City Mallards

The standard is for the team name article to redirect to the current franchise using that name. Thus, the IHL's "Quad City Mallards" should just be "Quad City Mallards". I got consensus from an admin, so I did it, and am moving it back. ONLY move it back if and when you can get consensus to do so. Tom Danson (talk) 20:25, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

That's fine with me! The main reason I moved it was cause I thought it looked bad to use years, and it is better to use the league they are in. CTJF83Talk 20:27, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
An opinion I can agree with. You have a good life, OK? Tom Danson (talk) 20:30, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Ok, you too! CTJF83Talk 20:30, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Moving Photos to Commons

Hi Ctjf83, quick question for you. Do you have any objections to your photos being uploaded to Commons? I see that they are all tagged as Public Domain. I work on maintaining the Cities of Iowa category over there and thought they would be a valuable addition to the collection, but would prefer your blessing before proceeding. Let me know. Cheers! - Richc80 (talk) 14:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

If you wanna go ahead and move them, I have no problem with that! :) CTJF83Talk 15:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Homer the Whopper

Hang on, I'll be back in 20 minutes, just redirect it to the season 21 page for now. Gran2 18:05, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I think just a paragraph or two in the humour section of the main article; just the sourced content. Gran2 08:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

for helping me out

The Family Guy Barnstar
Messege

--Pedro J. the rookie 02:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Apologies

Sorry, I just don't have time right now to help with copyediting. Good luck with your article, tho! Scartol • Tok 12:46, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

FG Wikia

I assume that copying and pasting from an open wiki is not a good way to improve articles here? Or am I wrong about that? DP76764 (Talk) 18:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Aye, I've noticed (and reverted) a few of Pedro's edits when they are clearly a copy/paste job. Worth keeping an eye out for. DP76764 (Talk) 21:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, Pedro is very enthusiastic about editing, that's for sure. Perhaps he could be encouraged to sandbox his edits before posting them, so they could be reviewed and commented on? DP76764 (Talk) 16:12, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Re. Smithers

Sorry Ctjf83, I'm too busy right now. I'm going to work on the character articles after seasons 2 and 3 are done. I can help you then. Theleftorium 08:33, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I need help

you know i am tryin to make family guy and many characters of it GA, FA or at leat a A, so can you help me, plus if you need anything just tell me alright. --Pedro J. the rookie 17:52, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Not to butt in to your bussnes but may i offer to help you in Smithers. --Pedro J. the rookie 18:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Where do i find dvd coments, and please respond my last question.--Pedro J. the rookie 19:52, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

ok i sopose i can wait. --Pedro J. the rookie 22:44, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Ctjf83, hey i am sorry to bug you with my dumb grammer and poor languege, and if i may can i ask you for help. --Pedro J. the rookie 00:55, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

No I do not have Fg DVDs sadly, and I have a question if I put what i write on word and fix the errors, will that work. --Pedro J. the rookie 14:13, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Forts o' Iowa

Hi CT- thanks for the offer to make edits about the Frontier Forts of Iowa book to help me prevent COI. I think that will work; you offered without asking, you are a long-time editor, and we have a history of disagreement on other issues, so no one can accuse us of meatpuppetry. I'll give you some proposed edits when time allows. I appreciate it! Bill Whittaker (talk) 12:48, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

fg source

regarding sources from tweets. They seem legit as long as the twitter account is authorized, and ive read over the sources page again and as long as its not about a living person or is the basis for an article a tweet seems like a valid source.... Grande13 (talk) 21:23, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Show me exactly where it says you can't use twitter? It says not to use it to create articles, which this isnt doing... and not to ues it if its about a living person or is the basis for an article a tweet seems like a valid source. In this case its only a date, and its confirmed by the creator and producer on their pages. Its fine to use and once more info becomes available on the subject it can be added to the articleGrande13 (talk) 16:59, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

it doesnt say it cant be used there...Self-published sources should never be used as third-party sources about living persons, even if the author is a well-known professional researcher or writer.

This isnt an instance about that... Self-published material may, in some circumstances, be acceptable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article...the creator and producers can be deemed experts and there are numerous info available about them twitting http://celebswhotwitter.com/tag/seth-macfarlane so you still havent proven when a date and upcoming episode ideas from that source cant be used...again we arent using the info to create an article, its just adding to an articleGrande13 (talk) 03:03, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

ign might be more reliable, but there is nothing that says twitter can't be reliable as well. Once ign or some other publication has the info the link can be updated, but there is no reason why a date and a line or two about hd cant be sourced from twitter... Its not like the info is used to create an article for the 2010 season premiere as its just a brief mention. Im in agreement twitter by itself wouldnt be enough to create the page now for the whodunit episode, but as the format is now its fineGrande13 (talk) 03:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
I put it on the project page. If there are no complaints I'll change it back in a few days Grande13 (talk) 13:00, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
the page has undergone numerous edits with random people filling in whatever dates they piece together. its valid info and its use is acceptable for the context of the information on wikipedia. Not one really had a strong opionion about it one way or another, but it IMPROVES the article, so why are you fighting against that.... Grande13 (talk) 04:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
the official seth Macfarlane account that has been confirmed in articles mentions its the producer Kara Vallow. Also, when her official web page was up (its under construction now), it linked to her twitter account. Twitter might not work as a general source for articles, but it can be used to provide small details such as dates to fill in and improve a page, although im aware its not enough to generate a whole page of info by itself. Grande13 (talk) 12:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

taake a look

i have been working on family guy with a buddy of mine(you know him Bovineboy2008, mostly he has cleaned up and i have deleted spaces with no good refrences.) and if you could check it out, and tell me on what it could be expanded or cleaned, could you tell me, thanks.--Pedro J. the rookie 04:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Those buddy tv an unreliable sourece. --Pedro J. the rookie 21:06, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
And if there is no option but the video. --Pedro J. the rookie 21:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I do not know if it's fully ready but we have done a good job to my concern would you check it out. --Pedro J. the rookie 15:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Family guy characters are far to be ready. --Pedro J. the rookie 21:00, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

is it understandable now. --Pedro J. the rookie 21:32, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

yeah you are probaly right, it did have OR, and i was just saying that quahog reacted wierd when there was a athiest in the city and that the city has wierd laws but also kind of true like band gay marrige in many states of the U.S, (or is it over). and Bovinboy is takeing a break from Family guy he left me editing for a coupole of days, no he has not said anything about it is ready for GA, and i wanted to know how could expanded a bit more so when Bovin edits where closer from makeing it GA , and your ne of the most family guy editors i know so i asked you. --Pedro J. the rookie 22:03, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

and Bovin has helped a lot, he has cleaned up the page, he founed new refrences he moved the pictures. he did a lot.--Pedro J. the rookie 22:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the stres i'm correcting that now.--Pedro J. the rookie 15:03, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

and word is just correcting my spelling not the grammer. --Pedro J. the rookie 15:09, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I have word 2007 so i guess so i'll take a look. --Pedro J. the rookie 17:52, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

remember when bovine, you and me dissued about a gallery, wll do you think that is a good idea. --Pedro J. the rookie 17:52, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the gallary of FG like on the simpsons. --Pedro J. the rookie 15:39, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

In the disscusion you and me liked the idea, but bovineboy did not, so we decided not to but i asked another editor for some help Music26/11 and when he was editing he put that back, but as well Bovineboy did not like it, so asking your opinion, do you think it should go there, is it a good, idea. --Pedro J. the rookie 17:27, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Not so sure why, maby he did not like what it looked like, here Talk:Family Guy#Cast member pictures it was where the disscusions took place. --Pedro J. the rookie 17:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

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I'mperator 01:16, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

What do you think? I've finished with the production, and a bit of the cultural references :) Cheers, I'mperator 17:19, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
And done. Feel free to add anything (P.S. the spacing with the references in the Production section might be a bit off; I was typing it as I heard it :D) Cheers, I'mperator 19:09, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Whoops, you're right; I've removed it now, and co-nominated it at WP:GAN. Hope it does well! Cheers, I'mperator 00:31, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Hmm...Waylon Smithers is already a GA, and I'm not exactly a Family Guy sorta person. How about another of the characters at DOH? Or, even better, The Simpsons (season 10)? I'm hoping to get season 10 to FL soon ;P Cheers, I'mperator 12:00, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Uh-oh...Get ready to (copy)edit your ass out at Brother, Can You Spare Two Dimes?. The GA review's coming up...Cheers, I'mperator 21:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Forts o' Iowa Edits

Below are some changes to Des Moines for your consideration. Thanks! Bill Whittaker (talk) 13:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Prehistory

Prehistoric inhabitants of early Des Moines

Map of prehistoric and historic American Indian sites in Downtown Des Moines.[1]

The juncture of the Des Moines and Raccoon rivers has attracted humans for at least 3,000 years. Several prehistoric occupation areas have been identified in downtown Des Moines by archaeologists. At least three Late Prehistoric villages stood in Des Moines, dating from about A.D. 1300 to 1700. In addition, 15 to 18 prehistoric American Indian mounds were observed in downtown Des Moines by early settlers. All have been destroyed.[2][3]

History

Origin of Fort Des Moines

The City of Des Moines traces its origins to May 1843, when Captain James Allen supervised the construction of a fort on the site where the Des Moines and Raccoon Rivers merge. Allen wanted to use the name Fort Raccoon; however, the U.S. War Department told him to name it Fort Des Moines. The fort was built to control the Sauk and Meskwaki Indians, who had been transplanted to the area from their traditional lands in eastern Iowa. The fort was abandoned in 1846 after the Sauk and Meskwaki were removed from the state.[4] The Sauk and Meskwaki did not fare well in Des Moines, the illegal whiskey trade, combined with the destruction of traditional lifeways, led to severe problems. One newspaper reported: “It is a fact that the location of Fort Des Moines among the Sac and Fox Indians (under its present commander) for the last two years, had corrupted them more and lowered them deeper in the scale of vice and degradation, than all their intercourse with the whites for the ten years previous.”[4] Even after official removal, the Meskwaki continued to return to Des Moines until ca. 1857.[3] Archaeological excavations have demonstrated that many fort-related features survived under what is now Martin Luther King, Jr. Parkway and First Street.[5][4] Soldiers stationed at Fort Des Moines opened the first coal mines in the area, mining coal from the riverbank for the fort's blacksmith.[6]

-END OF EDITS- Thanks! Bill Whittaker (talk) 13:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Iowa GA?

Isn't there a checklist or something? I've been out of the loop. Thanks, Bill Whittaker (talk) 20:21, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Another Fo'I

In Dakota War of 1862 could you please add to the end of the War section:

Iowa Northern Border Brigade

In Iowa, alarm over the Santee attacks led to the construction of a line of forts from Sioux City to Iowa Lake. The region had already been militarized because of the Spirit Lake Massacre in 1857, and after the 1862 conflict began the Iowa legislature authorized “not less than 500 mounted men from the frontier counties at the earliest possible moment, and to be stationed where most needed”, although this number was soon reduced. Although no fighting took place in Iowa, the Dakota uprising led to the rapid expulsion of the few unassimilated Native Americans left in Iowa.[7][8]

Thanks!Bill Whittaker (talk) 01:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again! Bill Whittaker (talk) 12:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Something Dark Side.

I'm sorry, it may just be me, perhaps I'm sadly going through a little bit of WP:OWN, but I honestly am just asking, from one editor to another, do you think my additions/reversions on the article are correct? --HELLØ ŦHERE 04:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree for the most part, but it's not a good idea to get into an edit war. I mean, whether it's for good reason or not, it's just bad overall for both parties. I think it all needs to be taken to the FG Project. I took a previous "disagreement" there and it seemed people liked mine better. But I just don't wanna step on anyone's toes, I'm just trying to make it better for people who may just happen to hear about something, look it up, find the Wikipedia page, and read it. I do that still for things I'm not necessarily 'watching'. And I expect that other editors are improving those pages to their best. It has to be a collaboration, not just some versus others. Perhaps we should try to talk to them or get a huge discussion going on the FG Project talk page. But thanks for your opinion. Sorry to ramble like that. --HELLØ ŦHERE 06:50, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Family Guy

Hey there Ctjf. I just want to let you know that I am pretty much done editing Family Guy for now. It may be appropriate to do a peer review now but just wanted to let you have a crack at anything. It still is missing a positive reception section, but I can't really find anything positive that has been written other than off-handed comments about it being funny. BOVINEBOY2008 :) 18:23, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes i checked it and it seems alright to me, looks too me that it's done. --Pedro J. the rookie 20:42, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

It's not Pedro, so hang on CTJF83Talk 20:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Just ignore the Troll

Props for keeping a cool head. Just ignore the Troll. See Wikipedia:Revert, block, ignore. Best Wishes! CharonX/talk 10:22, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Looks like you have offended someone

Read the story, here. –túrianpatois 04:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I think my atheism related userboxes are probably more "offensive" than yours. LOL at the would-be censors.Simonm223 (talk) 00:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I guess he was offended by having to look so far down on your page to find something to complain about, really. Dayewalker (talk) 01:06, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
LOL to both of you :) CTJF83Talk 05:49, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


Strange formatting help request

Would you mind taking a peek at the Osceola, Iowa article for me? I was trying to add historical poopulations to the article but it is somehow formatted strangely compared to other Iowa towns. I tried to add the template directly underneath the "==Demographics==" section but it really looked strange. Also odd is the inability to just edit the demographics section (and others) by themselves. GrandpaDave (talk) 04:47, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that really makes the article look better. Not sure why the edit was missing on the individual sections. Appreciate your time on this one. --GrandpaDave (talk) 15:26, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

re: GA status Iowa

Be glad to help where I can moving the Iowa article to GA status. Been concentrating on getting random Iowa articles geocoded lately, but willing to work on other things as well. Most familiar with central and southwest Iowa. Also have access to the Iowa History Center at Simpson College for reference material. Let me know what help you need. GrandpaDave (talk) 01:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

On the geocoding for Eastern Iowa CC, I just put each of the 3 campuses geo coordinates inline. I added the street addresses for them as well. The area codes are a bit more problematic. The general sense on the geocoding project is to center mass the point and make it a very broad coordinate. Something like 42 degree N, 93 degrees W. Have been holding off on the Area Codes until I get a better idea. Some of the similar conditions are earthquakes, and geographical features like Coteau des Prairies, etc. Anyway, the missing geocode count is down to under 40 from 309 when I started. GrandpaDave (talk) 21:00, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Wondering about your thoughts on geocoding the Iowa Congressional Districts. Anomebot has marked them as needing geocoding, but I am not convinced this is really a good idea. Maps actually describe them better than a single coordinate. Many no longer exist, and several of them moved locations over time. Considering just doing a rollback of Anomebot's actions. What do you think?

GrandpaDave (talk) 04:51, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi Ctjf83. Bucktown (Davenport) just showed up on the missing geo coord list. Do you have an approximate address of this formerly wild and crazy part of Davenport? Thanks. --GrandpaDave (talk) 18:55, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, the address works fine. It locates the area generally enough for the article. Appreciate the response. --19:16, 16 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by GrandpaDave (talk • contribs)

Re:Your help

You mean like the ones on my userpage? Theleftorium 16:51, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Davenport FA nomination

Will take a look at this before you submit it. May talk a day or two. --GrandpaDave (talk) 19:47, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

  • From the lead One of the Quad Cities, along with neighboring Bettendorf and the Illinois cities of Moline, East Moline and Rock Island, Davenport is the county seat of Scott County and is Iowa's third-largest city. - the components of sentences should be related, in this case the two parts are unnrelated and should be split. The next two sentences are about LeClaire's role and can be combined if you wish. --maclean (talk) 04:17, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't have time to do a full line-by-line copyedit, but I'll take a look at the article again later today or tomorrow and see if anything jumps out at me and post a note here if I have any suggestions. Finetooth (talk) 16:10, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Ok thank you all! CTJF83Talk 16:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I posted a few suggestions this morning to the article's talk page. I have to fly off in another direction for a while, but I'll post further comments to the talk page later. Finetooth (talk) 18:28, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
It looks like you got plenty of editors, but I can still look at it, if you would like. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 20:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Sure, if you wouldn't mind being tapped for a peer review ;-) ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 21:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Pennsylvania State Capitol. The peer review isn't up yet, as I have a loose end to take care of first, but you're welcome to look at it before then. Leaving suggestions informally on my talk page would work just as well. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 23:12, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I added some comments to Davenport's talk page. I'll add more if I find anything else. I also combined and reworded a few sentences to make them flow better. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 01:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

(unindent) Personally, I'm thinking of something along the lines of "Davenport is located in the 1st and 2nd districts of the Iowa Senate, which are represented by John Doe and Jane Doe, respectively." See Ann Arbor, Michigan (an FA), it lists state senators and representatives similarly.

If you ever get the urge to review something, take a look at PR backlog and seems if there's anything of interest.

Believe it or not, this will be the first time I've decided to skip GA. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 17:36, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I'd find that informative. A source probably should be given, as well. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 18:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, a map would work for the districts. Representatives should be easy to verify if they're linked, so a source probably isn't needed for them. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 19:33, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, busy weekend so just getting a look at this. Not sure if you want the comments here or on the article talk page? May take a few days to work through the article due to schedule. Have a couple of questions on the lead paragraphs.

Para1: Quad Cities is widely known as a nickname for the area, but the first paragraph lists 5 cities versus 4. I'm not from the QC area, but I always thought the Quad Cities referred to Davenport, Bettendorf, Moline, and Rock Island? Did East Moline get promoted and if so is it now the Quint Cities?

Para2: Palmer "College" of Chiropractic is referred to as a university. Not sure this is an accurate description.

More later as time permits. ==GrandpaDave (talk) 03:07, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Stewie

What's yours? How many times does MacFarlane have to say Stewie's gay before you'll accept it? --DrBat (talk) 22:50, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

The last consensus was made before MacFarlane's latest comments.
And you should only use rollback for reverting vandalism, not for edits you disagree with. --DrBat (talk) 22:53, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm not the only one reverting your edits. And you've already reverted the article more than three times in one day now. --DrBat (talk) 22:59, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
You're picking at semantics. MacFarlane has said twice now that Stewie's gay.
And I'm referring to you reverting Zythe's edit, not Killkyle's. --DrBat (talk) 23:04, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Like I said, picking at semantics. --DrBat (talk) 23:05, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Isn't the need for a new concensus is exhausted. Stewie is gay within the show and Macfarlane definitely confirms this as a creative decision on his part of which we have seen active demonstration within the show. No OR required. "LGBT characters" is a compromise from where some editors had (irrelevant) problems with the category "fictional gay men" and Stewie's status as a baby. Regardless, there is no counter-argument of which I have been made aware. Real-life arguments about his age and whatnot are irrelevant. If I am speaking out of turn, then please forgive me, and we can discuss it further :) ~ZytheTalk to me! 23:51, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Bix 7 Road Race and Memorial Jazz Festival

Bix 7 Road Race and Memorial Jazz Festival will need to be beefed up in terms of breadth and depth. Familiarize yourself with WP:WIAGA and then figure out which projects and categories your article belongs in. Add talk page templates for road races and festivals and then check those projects to see what the articles look like, especially the GAs and FAs. Then check articles in the categories that your article is in. That should get you started.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:19, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

You will want to do things like find an infobox and add WP:ALT, but broadening the article is a big start.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Response

Sorry for not responding to your previous question, I just forgot. I think I'm going to stay out of this debate, but there are two important conflicting points: Seth himself says Stewie is definitely gay, but it hasn't been stated in the show (yet). Similarily, JK Rowling said Dumbledore was gay, and although it wasn't in the books, it is in his article.

As for Neighborhoods of Davenport, Iowa, in its present form, I would call it an article but it's worth noting that there are some lists in prose form that are FLs, like List of characters in Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow and Dawn of Sorrow. I would take it to GA, and see what a reviewer thinks, but that's just me. I hope that helps. -- Scorpion0422 21:12, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but you probably should add more sources if possible. -- Scorpion0422 21:27, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

The always enjoyable Smithers-LGBT category debate has once again been revived. Could you please weigh in? -- Scorpion0422 23:53, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Mount Ida

I'll fix the page if you can want. The article should be on this site. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:08, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

If you think that is best. I created the article when I was new to Wikipedia and didn't know much about it. I think the article is non-notable. I'm not even sure where I got the info from. If you wanna fix it, that is ok, otherwise I can AfD it, if you think that is better than SD. CTJF83Talk 19:15, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Probably here [1], unless they copied it from us. I think that there can probably be something made of the article, as it also seems to be a small hill really. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:23, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Definitely not there, probably a history book at the library. But if you wanna improve it, I support ya! :) CTJF83Talk 19:28, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Cleveland Show episodes.

I agree that if the information can be found at another place, it's not needed twice. My only concern/question is the fact that the Family Guy episode page has it similar to the way it was before you removed it. Which way is correct without causing a major uproar? --HELLØ ŦHERE 01:18, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

All I can say is List of The Simpsons episodes is a Featured List and the FG list isn't. I just don't see a point in the season pages, if we have all the same details on the episode list page too. CTJF83Talk 01:23, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Looking at others, it looks like if they have details on the List of Episodes page, there is no separate season pages: List of Futurama episodes, List of Hey Arnold! episodes, List of Darkwing Duck episodes and ones with separate season pages, don't have details on the list of episodes pages List of House episodes, List of Law & Order: Special Victims Unit episodes, List of CSI: Miami episodes, etc, etc CTJF83Talk

Re:Reptar On Ice

Thanks for the review! That was pretty much the quickest review I've seen. :P The Flash {talk} 18:20, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

No, the review does not need to be transcluded as there is already a link in the GA template. Theleftorium 18:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Re

A section is only needed if there is worthwhile plot about them; single episodes aren't worth mentioning for main characters, so an episode such as when CB Jr. becomes a golf pro is unimportant. What is there to discuss about the character? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 00:56, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Re:FG

I been taken family guy time to time seeing what refrences we can find, bot was very helpful he found some positive and reliable reviews, so i going to see if i can improve the recepction because thats like the one section that needs some taken care of, and many thing from your list has been done  Done...LOL..., as bovine is beging school and i am also it will be complicated to edit it so much but i will do what i can if you have any new suggestions please tell me, =D. --Pedro J. the rookie 02:47, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Tell me is this a good section for good reception:

Family Guy has also been got positive reviews from critics. Catherine Seipp of the National Review Onlinecalled it a nasty but extremely funny cartoon.[9] Caryn James from the The New York Times, called it a show with outrageously satirical family, includes plenty of comic possibilities and parodies.[10] The Sydney Morning Herald gave Family Guy a positive review calling it the Show Of The Week in April 21, 2009, and also called it pop culture-heavy masterpiece.[11] Frazier Moore from the Seattle Times called it an endless craving for humor about bodily emissions. He also called it breathtakingly smart, blend of the ingenious with the raw helps account for its much broader appeal and also called it rude, crude and deliciously wrong.[12] And actress Emily Blunt called it her favorite series.[13]

--Pedro J. the rookie 03:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

One more thing an expirienced editor told me that something notable that was missing in the artical is the theams section and if you remember the last time i did that section it was horribly, so do you know how to do a section or some one who knows. --Pedro J. the rookie 16:25, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

More info here http://www.freakinsweetnews.com/2009/09/24/further-details-on-road-to-the-north-pole but i wont add it until a few other sources have it as well Grande13 (talk) 18:03, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
why must you always conclude a source is horrible before even checking it out?

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all from the tumblr Grande13 (talk) 18:07, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

on twitter and such they state how they are producer in some capacity for family guy, american dad, and the cleveland show, which is how they have the info firsthand Grande13 (talk) 18:10, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Im just showing example of the firsthand stuff that she has produced. Its somewhere else on that page that mentions the christmas episode. That one episode being on the list isnt preventing it from achieving the higher status, plus it adds factual info on a highly vandalised page, helping prevent the spread of false rumorsGrande13 (talk) 18:13, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

everything the sources have provided so far has been legit, and wikipedia doesn't completely rule out using those type of sources anyways. Grande13 (talk) 18:15, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Can you give me a bit more suggestions cuase i do not know what elese to do and what those theame mean exactly. --Pedro J. the rookie 02:01, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

is that ok. --Pedro J. the rookie 03:10, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Also may be a good idea to check if i nominated right. --Pedro J. the rookie 03:14, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

I think that should take care of it i put a refrence that says that it was cancelled in 2003 so i think that shows that there was episodes in that year, do you not think so. --Pedro J. the rookie 12:49, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

I am also editing Patriot Games (Family Guy) so can you check to see what can i do. --Pedro J. the rookie 23:06, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

so how is it. --Pedro J. the rookie 02:38, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

The episode summarrry was like you said then brady is presented to peter and hiers him after seeing him run to the bathroom peter becomes famous but is soon fiered for show o or some thing alike that, and traded to a brithish team who is not good at playing, he inyects steroides to them and dares brady to agame the team abandons peter and he gets hit by all the players brady says that he has gain his respect, a sub-plot is that stewie becomes a bookie and brian loses 50 bucks to him and stewie hurts him untill he pays then he pays and gets his revenge.--Pedro J. the rookie 17:41, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah that was great, talking about stewie how's the disscusion about putting a LGBT catagory on stewie. --Pedro J. the rookie 18:30, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

FG is officialy an GA, =D. --Pedro J. the rookie 01:28, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank for your help thease months would not happen without your help. --Pedro J. the rookie 01:37, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey i am working on sevral FG episode articals but i have some time is there any proyect that you know that needs help, our do you need help in something.--Pedro J. the rookie 16:16, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I could help out on that but i do not know how to make prodceing sections as i do not have DVDs for comments but there are some candidates there, do you know some way to get those .--Pedro J. the rookie 17:27, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I have disscuesded with Grande13, and he those not responed. --Pedro J. the rookie 21:10, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

fine, look as i said i can work in the articals in your to do list but i am not good a getting production things. --Pedro J. the rookie 21:19, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Family Gay needs the production, the one where brians cousin comes which names is very long to type, need s reception i will work on that one, --Pedro J. the rookie 22:09, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Untitled Griffin Family History

I think Untitled Griffin Family History can become a futuer GA want to help me. --Pedro J. the rookie 03:14, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

With the WP:DOH page, it's in table form, so the image posted automatically had enough space. With the Family Guy page, it's just normal sections, so the image collided with the next header. I've fixed it by adding {{-}}. (P.S. Insert joke about the Family Guy barnstar being a copy of The Simpsons barnstar) -- Scorpion0422 01:50, 3 October 2

I still think it's more article than list, but my views on the list vs article debate don't always reflect policy. Try asking Dabomb87 what he thinks, he has a much more neutral view about the policy. (Some comments: The images should be shrunk, you should probably get a citation for every paragraph, and the lead should be expanded and become more of a summary, how many neighborhoods are there?, etc.) -- Scorpion0422 00:35, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Road to the Multiverse

This wasn't random people talking, this is the director Greg Colton online explaining to fans what they did with the sequence. I should know, I was the lead animator on that sequence . This isn't POV , it's the director describing his work. DarlieB (talk) 15:45, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

In case you missed it in the discussion area , just for you http://tinybun.com/Ctjf83.mov .DarlieB (talk) 18:53, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


Oh really ? Where did I get it from I wonder? Notice the time machine is in Stewies hand and not in his back pocket , that there is no dialogue , just the cycles . Show me where this is online and how come it's named after you genius ? Lol! DarlieB (talk) 21:07, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

fg list

Adultswim doesn't update their listings for the most part through zap2it and such, but they are an established network and their schedule for their own shows is a source nonetheless. I think they know their own schedule better than anyone else.... Also, the see also's include other shows directly related to family guy, they all were created by same person, and characters have made appearances in family guy from american dad and vice verse. Grande13 (talk) 13:48, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Tvguide.com had the same line up as zap2it. Why do you think we just need a list of dates, and episodes with no plots? What's the point of that? CTJF83 chat 16:32, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
whats the point of updating any page? The information is available so why not put it on the page. I'm pretty sure adultswim knows there own schedule more than secondary sources... There is no rule saying something needs a plot to be added or that it needs a press release...so i'm going to add it back unless you have an actual reason for it now being included in the list. i don't know why you have to give everything such a hard time with that page. The information is available and its located on the official schedule of a channel so whats the problem? Grande13 (talk) 16:45, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
also the main page doesnt even include plots anymore...just because you don't like something, doesnt give you the ability to make up your own set of rules such as oh now it needs a plot, or now we have to wait for this. Things can be updated with additional sources once they are available, but there is nothing wrong with the way the page the way it was. I understand you make a lot of good edits and contributions towards many articles here, but this article is properly managed and isn't doing anything wrong, so if you keep having so many issues with things why dont you just focus on it less as i'm sure many other editors can help supervise efficiently. Grande13 (talk) 16:45, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
You're probably the most difficult editor I've ever worked with. You have some article ownership issues, and insist on adding unsourced and OR information to articles all the time. CTJF83 chat 16:59, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
and you dont see yourself being difficult to work with? The info is sourced. also it appears on zap2it and tvguide under airings, it just hasnt updated the title yet, but it is on the adultswim website, which is a legitimate source. I dont have any issues, i just want the articles to be up to date and have sourced info that adds to the show page, and for some reason you have a vendetta out to not allow for that sort of thing. You are the one that is controlling and trying to make everyone and everything conform to the way you want it. Once i get back in a few i'll update the FG page cause the info is SOURCED!Grande13 (talk) 17:05, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't really have problems with any other user. Why do you think WP Simpsons is so much better? Cause we don't do crap like this. I've asked some other FG project members to comment as well, as I'm tired of always arguing with you. CTJF83 chat 17:07, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Thats your opinion and you are entitled to thatGrande13 (talk) 17:09, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Adult swim air's FG episodes but they do not make the episodes if there is any news from that with no Fox info there is no point in outting it there as it is OR and those and as expresed before we do not need to make the page out of crap, WP:Simpsons ask there your question and you well see the same resulte. --Pedro J. the rookie 17:13, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Grande, what's the problem with being a little patient and waiting for a Fox source to release episode titles? Using [a s]'s site to 'fill in the blank' seems a little OR-y to me too; technically if we draw the correlation between what's missing from Fox and what [a s] has, that would be OR. We don't know for absolute certainty that [a s] get the episodes in the same order (though, yes, it's extremely likely) that they broadcast. Granted this is a little bit of an odd situation (how many other shows are re-broadcast/syndicated on a different network so quickly after their original broadcast?). Do we have any text elaborating on the relationship between Fox and [a s]? If that were well enough discussed, I'd be a little more sympathetic to your sourcing method. I'd also like to see a precedent on WP for doing something that way, if one exists. My instinct is to model this article after similar established, high quality articles (Simpsons is a good example of a model). $0.02 DP76764 (Talk) 18:02, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
where are the links to the american dad and cleveland show episodes. It allows easy navigation from one episode list to the other...Grande13 (talk) 22:49, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Is that really necessary? They aren't that much related where I can see linking, since the main pages link it. But if you insist, and readd, I won't argue. CTJF83 chat 22:50, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I still do not think it is right, it those not matter whats on the cleavland show or AD it matters whats on FG, so i still think it's wrong. --Pedro J. the rookie 23:06, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

The shows are all part of the same universe. Family guy characters are expected to appear on the cleveland show and vice versa. Also, there have been occasions where american dad characters have appeared on family guy. The shows are all somewhat related and this just allows for easier navigationGrande13 (talk) 12:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
No it dose no.--Pedro J. the rookie 15:47, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
it doesnt what? it was said at comic con how characters from family guy would be stopping by american dad, and how later this year or early next year there would be an episode with interaction between american dad and family guy characters on some sort of crossover....plus they mentioned cleveland still will pop up on family guy occasionally...they are all part of the same general universe, and the links allow for easy navigation between the related showsGrande13 (talk) 16:06, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

can we stick to one disscusion at a time i am still against the fg list.--Pedro J. the rookie 16:10, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Cleveland Show

Reception doesn't bother me. Reception after only one episode is something that I have a problem with. Also the fact that non-reliable, wiki sources were being used. If the reception is true, and since the second episode airs in several hours, could it really hurt to wait until tomorrow to add the reception for what would be closer to the "series"? If that makes sense. --HELLØ ŦHERE 20:58, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Well it seems as though anything right now would only be toward the pilot episode as that's all that's aired. Some people may like the pilot then not like the second or vice versa. So, by waiting a little until at least the second episode has aired couldn't hurt much to get a more rounded view. Right? --HELLØ ŦHERE 21:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I didn't personally read it, but the way the IP was adding the information, and based on what they even just put up at their own talk page, it seems it is only based on the pilot episode. --HELLØ ŦHERE 21:11, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Well, I feel the page is accurate now. But that's just me. I was wrong in a certain aspect and I admit that. I'll even apologize to the IP, but in certain other aspects, I feel some of the information is needed and factual and deserves to stay. But that's just me. Unless something major happens at the page, I probably won't mess with it. Certain pages on ever-changing topics are always easier before the item is released. Lol. --HELLØ ŦHERE 21:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if you don't think it's 'fair' to list a seris reception based on one episode (when everyone knows full well only one episode has aired so they know what they are looking at) Wikipedia is not about being what you think is 'fair' . It's about being acuate.

Ctjf83: IS there a proper place to list view reactions like say, of those on hulu, or metacritic. I mean. these are the peopel watching the show. It's entirely more likely that a 'critics;' view is tainted than the collective view of those that actually watch the show. Case in point.. Arrested Development was highly critically acclaimed but almost no one watched it while it was on. Is there a proper way to catalog this very real reaction to this show that hasn't come from someone deemed worthy (whatever that means) to be a 'critic' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.81.68.96 (talk) 21:24, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

If you, or someone else wants to add the reviews, that's fine. I'll leave it alone. I personally don't read reviews for my own reasons. I admit, I probably should have read the review before continually removing it, but I personally felt that, after only one episode airing, a "reception" section was not needed. If it was true, Wikipedia isn't going anywhere, it could've been added after at least two episodes, per my reasons above. Perhaps I was wrong. I admit that. And in response to the IP's note above, I never used the word "fair". --HELLØ ŦHERE 21:27, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I took you saying "Reception after only one episode is something that I have a problem with", as you meaning you didn't think it was 'fair' to do so.. but I admit that was putting words in your mouth. Though, I'm not certain what else you could have meant by that... If It's more proper to wait until the second episode to put it up... then I'll abide by that. But if it's not the second episode that is the cut off, then please let me know when you think the proper time is to add this section.. 3 episodes?.. 4? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.81.68.96 (talk) 21:50, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Mdingo is my attempt at signing my post. LOL! (guess I should just create an account, huh?) Good idea on that! I could give a good range of reviews from positive to luke-warm to negative. That would be pretty interesting I guess. But like I said, I'm not really a fan of posting a single persons review... even picking a good one, a bad one, and a middle-of-the-road one can obscure what's really going on. Even for a show that most people hate, I can find a good review, a bad review, and medium review. Maybe there is a proper section heading... "Web reception".. or "on-line response"... that someone could use to include ratings from these new sources of media like Hulu and or sites like metacritic and imdb, that allow users to rate shows. I think it is a relevant source of information. It's sort of like these sites are one of those collective consciousness deals that is very much in line with the spirit of this site.--Mdingo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.81.68.96 (talk) 23:06, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good... I'm gonna sign up in a bit. Hahah I'm sure you are having a bunch of fun laughing at my 'newbish-ness' lol! 72.81.68.96 (talk) 23:14, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

NewsBank

Nope, works for me. IRC? Theleftorium 19:48, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

So why did you guys nominate "You May Now Kiss the... Uh... Guy Who Receives"? It's not ready. :P Theleftorium 14:33, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
No, there's several spelling errors and the references section needs to be cleaned up. :P Theleftorium 16:54, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm the co-nominator so I have it on my watchlist. :P Theleftorium 19:41, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Like that? Theleftorium 16:28, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

No problemo. :) Theleftorium 16:30, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Looks great on 1280x800. Theleftorium 16:42, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
I can't seem to fix it either. Sorry. Theleftorium 17:18, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Davenport, IA

The last paragraph in the History section is pretty weak, especially when compared to the early history. In the transportation section, I would mention the truck-eating bridge on Harrison Street. Other than that and a couple minor fixes, it looks pretty good. --Fredddie™ 01:53, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Re:

I think the reason you can't use colons in that page is because you have a left aligned image there. I'm not sure how to fix that. -- Scorpion0422 00:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not an expert with infoboxes. Generally, I just copy the copy from an existing box and adjust it and hope I get it right (ie. from this one). I believe that you just need to add includeonly tags, but I'm not entirely sure. -- Scorpion0422 01:22, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

"recent Gulf conflict"

"recent Gulf conflict" is still wonky. In the episode did West call it "recent Gulf conflict"? If so we should state - what West called the "recent Gulf conflict". If not we should avoid quotes and state War in Iraq. Does that make sense? -- Banjeboi 18:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Coolio - I tweaked it. -- Banjeboi 03:22, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Forever and for Always

What's up, Ctjf? Sorry for the late response. Alright, what you need to do to get the song to GA is get background of the song, ex: why she wrote the song or the story behind the song, etc. Get info. regarding the composition of the song, another major point. Add reviews from critics and include the release of the song and all that stuff. Fix the info. in the Music video section. That's what you would have to do. If my explanation wasn't helpful, I'd be glad to help out with the article. :) --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:20, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

15? Jeez, then I should apologize for my late, late response. ;) Sure, I'll help you out. I got time. I'll start looking for some info. and let you know about it. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:28, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
No, I don't. I've tried getting it, but my computer doesn't accept it for some reason. Do you have IM? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
It doesn't get it. My Yahoo! IM is thinkblue_d. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:46, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Family Guy

That's right, of course it should Seth, of course it should, you keep telling yourself that. Gran2 23:31, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

hey your real names seth?--Pedro J. the rookie 23:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

No, he is referring to MacFarlane CTJF83 chat 23:36, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

sorry just curios LOL, admit it is confusin, whats your real name, mines a bit obiovs with my wiki name, and more when you now i'm latino.--Pedro J. the rookie 23:41, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually everything I get from other sites i source, and either paraphrase or shorten and remove the specific details as to not do copyright vioGrande13 (talk) 12:44, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Re:Question

This is the best I can think of [2]. You'll need to download them (when I did it, you could only download 10 a day). -- Scorpion0422 16:55, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

FG2

--Pedro J. the rookie 19:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

right i will be working trying to find recepction, good luck. --Pedro J. the rookie 23:19, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

jajjajaj, sorry there Ctjf83, i was looking for some kind of pointers on where to find good sources of recepction cause what i find is limited i was going to ask leftthouriom too, LOL...=D(Pedro hopes to be forgivin). --Pedro J. the rookie 23:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

working on it, why? --Pedro J. the rookie 23:25, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

planing to but not sure there ready, why do you ask?. --Pedro J. the rookie 23:29, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

It looks like a goood review, and yes i can see that page what for?. --Pedro J. the rookie 00:49, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

do i just press conect.--Pedro J. the rookie 00:57, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


I have been working on the gay marige episode , and i remembered that i editet FG season five with the plans of a retiered, wikipidian that had a plan on editing and make it a GA but never finished it so i finished and edit it so can you check it out. --Pedro J. the rookie 15:45, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

so where did the conversation end. --Pedro J. the rookie 21:26, 4 October 2009 (UTC) connect to wpsimpsons when able. --Pedro J. the rookie 17:45, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Again can you connect. --Pedro J. the rookie 22:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

so left found out about the artical. --Pedro J. the rookie 18:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

no forget it, nevermind the artical looks great. --Pedro J. the rookie 18:57, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

tell me what is an avrege viewers for an episode, and a good rank of vieweres. --Pedro J. the rookie 19:54, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

hey when you got nothing to do can you help me out in the production of Petergeist. --Pedro J. the rookie 21:12, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey i now this mie by bothering that i ask your constant help but can you tell me those this looks to copied from the simpsons and can you help me with the lead. --Pedro J. the rookie 19:38, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

my error it is the family gUy cast.--Pedro J. the rookie 20:08, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

so can you help me out with the lead i'm not very good at them. --Pedro J. the rookie 00:44, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

hey just in case can you copy-edit or clean the patriots game episode before i nominated it. --Pedro J. the rookie 17:25, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

well i do not have the dvd comentery it was an editor i asked to help with the production as he helped music with north to north quahog. --Pedro J. the rookie 17:56, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

can you belive i have 5 GANs thats a new recored(fgor me). --Pedro J. the rookie 19:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

hey you have another episode in your to do list of FG so what do you think we work on family gay.--Pedro J. the rookie 01:47, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

right when do we start. --Pedro J. the rookie 01:51, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

great this may sound childesh i have a bit of homework, so when i finish i'll edit it a bit.--Pedro J. the rookie 01:57, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

i do not asure i'll have fun but i'll try. --Pedro J. the rookie 02:00, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

hey i think that is ll i can do for family gay, or do you have any ideas. --Pedro J. the rookie 23:48, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey i do not now if i am bothering you with so many favors so tell me when to stop...., okay i need a favor for some reason it is important for me that the first FG episode is in GA an i worked on it a bit do not think it needes prodcuction, so can you check it before i nominate it. --Pedro J. the rookie 20:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

well i checked the simpsons pilot and it is kinda of the same, but i alrithy asked scorpion for his opinion. --Pedro J. the rookie 11:07, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

conect. --Pedro J. the rookie 21:39, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

hey you where a friend of former editor Qst right.--Pedro J. the rookie 12:49, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

because i nominated season 5 fg for fl, and that was one of his last works see here, but never finished it, i put him as a nominator.--Pedro J. the rookie 16:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

have you seen the new fg wikiproyect.--Pedro J. the rookie 16:41, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

can you connect.--Pedro J. the rookie 16:47, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

hey i started wahtin the simpsons about four months ago so i do not now that much those liza have hallmarks.--Pedro J. the rookie 17:52, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

when i mean that it is more than the jazz solo at the begining.--Pedro J. the rookie 18:15, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Also can you look in you DVD season 1 comments to se if they have comments on lois desing.--Pedro J. the rookie 00:18, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

scracth that can you look in the first dvd os the simpsons to see if there are any comments on lisa.--Pedro J. the rookie 00:31, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

can you connect.--Pedro J. the rookie 00:51, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

are you connected to wpsimpsons.--Pedro J. the rookie 00:59, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

hey this is a section i am going to put in lisa so wachta think.

Hallmarks

In the opening sequence of many Simpsons episodes, the camera zooms in on Springfield Elementary School, it is shown that Lisa is seen being ejected from band rehearsal due to her non-conforming playing. She exits the room playing a saxophone solo, which sometimes changes. Some of the solos have similarities with pieces by Donovan, Frank Zappa, James Brown, and Charlie Parker.[14].

One of Lisa's hallmarks is playing the saxofone or the sax, in the episode Lisa's Sax she says that she practices one hour a day, it is also shown that she started playing the saxofone in 1990 where Homer buys it for her, because he discovers that a musical instrument is a way to encourage a gifted child. He sacrifices his air conditioner money to buy Lisa her first saxophone. He asked the clerk to engrave on the sax: "Dear Lisa. Never forget your daddy loves d'oh!", as Homer drops the saxophone.[15] --Pedro J. the rookie 01:59, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

hey, do you think it would be a good idea makeing a section on fg aboute influences on television. and can you respond to last post.--Pedro J. the rookie 19:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

the one of the hallmarks section, i am not leaveing a signature as i am in my school computer.pedro —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.72.149.116 (talk) 12:43, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

hey whemn you have time remember to help me witnh the simpsons dvds, on lisa comments.--Pedro J. the rookie 19:21, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

ma you comment on fg cast that is in a flr.--Pedro J. the rookie 23:06, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Connect.--Pedro J. the rookie 21:08, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Infobox settlement

Use "unit_pref = Imperial". Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:37, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Simpsons: Screaming Yellow Honkers

Hi. You removed my edits to line 42. How come? Any reference (Billboard Top 40 Hits among others) will verify that Fever was a hit song for Peggy Lee and that Helen Shapiro's version (which I only found in a UK reference called The Complete Book of the British Charts) was a cover version that was less successful even in the UK than Lee's earlier version; the odds of one of the Simpsons writers being familiar with it seems long, though I didn't remove the reference. And the coincidence of the episode title to the boxed confection seems self-evident. I make no claims to expertise on the Simpsons (I only looked at the page while trying to follow up a reference to the popcorn product), but the song reference seemed absurd and the lack of recognition of the title puzzling at best. Ajericn (talk) 10:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)ajericn d can't do anything about it. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 01:09, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Dan Povenmire

Hey there, Ctjf83. I'm currently working on the above article at it's FAC and was wondering if in any of the Family Guy DVD commentaries he's in he actually says his name? I already have a source for it's pronunciation, but it's a YouTube video and all... Thanks in advance, The Flash {talk} 23:08, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I just poped in PTV and Seth says it within the first 30 seconds. It is pronounced "Poven meyer", close to how it looks. I don't understand any of this - ˈpɒvənmaɪr stuff, so can't help you if that is how that shows it being pronounced. Do you have the DVDs? Any other questions, feel free to ask :) CTJF83 chat 03:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
LOL, I would definitely say remove that youtube reference, and put in PTV. I went ahead and added the DVD reference, and hid the youtube video in case you wanna keep that for a secondary audio source. CTJF83 chat 03:24, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for that! :) The Flash {talk} 18:40, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Any time, bud CTJF83 chat 18:52, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Infobox generator

See http://www2.elkman.net/nrhp/infobox.php. Nyttend (talk) 00:11, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Pennsylvania State Capitol

Thanks again for your peer review; Pennsylvania State Capitol made featured article today!
— ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 04:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

A Rugrats Chanukah

Hi, Ctjf. I was wondering, if it wasn't too much trouble, if you could review that article at GAN? It's just with the backlog and all, it will take a while, and I'd like to see it reach FA by December 11 — for Hanukkah — which is only a month away. I'd really appreciate it :) Cheers, The Flash {talk} 21:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Great, thanks! :) The Flash {talk} 23:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Done, with some comments on some of the issues. The Flash {talk} 22:20, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Hm? What do you mean by tag? The Flash {talk} 22:53, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Oh, lol. *hits forehead* Duh... :P The Flash {talk} 23:01, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
lol, Thanks! :) The Flash {talk} 23:07, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Re:

Oh, my God, I'm so sorry that I haven't worked on the article. I've been busy... here... not here. Alright, here's what you need to do: you need to get info. regarding the song's sound, see Hey Baby (No Doubt song)#Music and structure as example, of what I'm talking about. You need more reviews for the Critical section. Um, you might want to remove "Grammy Award nominated", as it has been discouraged not to include that. The Chart section seems fine, though sources are indeed needed. Also, there's too much repetition of "Forever and for Always" in the section, you might want to have a consistency with that. Overall, you're getting "there". :) --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 15:58, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. Let me know if you need help with something. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 16:02, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Bart Simpson

I removed it because i think saying "Conservatives" is more of an opinon. I think just leaving it as Parents considring him as a bad role model is more approproite.Cheddarjack (talk) 01:27, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

FAC supports and opposes

From what I've seen, candidates do not get promoted unless they meet the criteria, have very few actionable opposes or minor problems (if any), and get consensus to support.

I've yet to see a recent one pass without more than one supporter. --an odd name (help honey) 23:17, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, in this month's FA log, I don't see any that passed with less than three supports. So you might need three. Maybe it could pass with two, but then the support consensus would be debatable for those. --an odd name (help honey) 23:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

i do'nt now i have not cheecked the talk in a while.--Pedro J. the rookie 12:10, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey

[3] Theleftorium 16:41, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

LMFAO!! My bad, liquors drunkened me. CTJF83 chat 18:35, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Actually, not my fault...per say. Can you go to WP:FG and then when you click on the 2nd edit under tasks it goes to The Simpsons to-do. Can you fix it for us? CTJF83 chat 18:37, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Alright, got it! CTJF83 chat 18:41, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

FG3

This is chapter three, The revenge of the cast, Master Ctjf83 is asked to copy-edit MIla kunis while , master Pedro works on diffrent proyects, the goal is to get Kunis into GAN, doo doo dunununuuuunununununununununuuuuu donuninununununun ununununuuuuuu. WIKI WARS: THE FG STORY, hopr you understand.:)--Pedro J. the rookie 00:20, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Need you opinion here --Pedro J. the rookie 20:13, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
hey this mite be a dumb quest but is there any way of getting special features for episodes of FG or simp without haveing to by the dvds--Pedro J. the rookie 18:02, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Is there any way of finding them online i doubt so many pepole have dvds.--Pedro J. the rookie 20:34, 15 November 2009 (UTC) Darn season 5 is just some episodes from GT but i do not want to buy the dvds plus my parents have this kind of well in my country the simpsons for parents is the worst show on tv so even less there going to let me buy the dvd plus....i'm cheap.--Pedro J. the rookie 20:38, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Do you now some one who may help me.--Pedro J. the rookie 20:49, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey have you seen the image of the farmer who did a maze of Stewie and Brian do you think i should upload it.--Pedro J. the rookie 00:26, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

[4]--Pedro J. the rookie 02:24, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
hey do you now if lisa has guest started in any oyher shows--Pedro J. the rookie 22:14, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Lisa FG that be halarious shed be pink and would be voiced by MacFarlane's sister;)--Pedro J. the rookie 22:21, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
tell me how it looks how it could be better scorp suggested cultural influence but do not no any more--Pedro J. the rookie 22:34, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
thanks--Pedro J. the rookie 22:40, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
X\can you tell me what you think of th recep that i put on peter--Pedro J. the rookie 22:00, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
no the one before music changed it--Pedro J. the rookie 23:11, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Great news the family guy cast w3as promoted to FLC--Pedro J. the rookie 00:36, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks just helping make the proyect grow(atleaset half what the simpsopns is)--Pedro J. the rookie 02:03, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Hey look this is what i made for the page of FG can you copy-edit it

Cultural influences

Family Guy was the first show to ever return to television thanks to DVD sales.[16][17] after returning from cancelation it began to influence on other shows produced by MacFarlane like American Dad which MacFarlane commented was a mix of Family Guy with All in the Family, [18] Also its spin-off The Cleveland Show has been influenced by the show. Family Guy, American Dad and the Cleveland Show exist in the same fictional world.[18] Family Guy has also influenced a live-action show The Winner which is also produced by MacFarlane. The Winner had the same kind of jokes that Family Guy has (bit offensive), but difference it was not taken very positive by critics.[19]

After the initial airing of the episode Patriot Games, where newscaster Tom Tucker announces a report on a fictional curse word, clemen, many viewers looked up the word on the Internet to try to find a definition. MacFarlane stated in the episode's DVD commentary that if someone invents an obscene definition for the word, the show will have to stop using it (it has not been used since this episode).[20] Also the many musical acts of Family Guy have influenced on American Dad as it also has similar big-band, high-production, patter-rich tunes.[18] FCC song was voted second on The Paley Center for Media special "TV's Funniest Moments", behind The Chris Rock Show segment "Black Progress".[21] The episode PTV featured a song called the FCC. The 59th Primetime Emmy Awards opened with Stewie and Brian singing about the upcoming TV season using the tune from "The FCC Song", originating from this episode.[22] The altered version of the song contained references to shows such as Scrubs, Two and a Half Men and Cavemen.[23] The episode Patriots Game features a two-and-a-half-minute rendition of the song "Shipoopi" from the 1957 musical The Music Man, conducted by Peter and performed by the Patriots and people in the stadium.[24] The original number in The Music Man was performed by around 40 or 50 singers and around 80 other musicians, as estimated by MacFarlane.

THANKS ibn advanced--Pedro J. the rookie 20:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

thanks hey can you ci=onnect--Pedro J. the rookie 23:19, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Quest can you tell me what dose bFG need to be a bit closer to FA. and how iam doing on the proyect--Pedro J. the rookie 23:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
I do not now how to use that and i see you merged the seth and alex but it left FG prettey messy but i fixed it a bitn --Pedro J. the rookie 22:26, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry i have not been much of help in this review my friend, will try harder next time, LuCk--Pedro J. the rookie 15:43, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Also can you review the FLC of family Guy--Pedro J. the rookie 15:55, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Quest is Walmart or Amazon reliable.--Pedro J. the rookie 01:25, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Merchendise section, there are many board games with family Guy on like family guy monopoly--Pedro J. the rookie 11:07, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Look do not call me an invador as i saw that user QSt was a great FG editor(danm i hate when pepole leave ) i looked at his work(sandbox ect) and found a real good desing for things even a new BS for the Wikiproyect i do not now if it should be but it looks pretty good, also i am trying to honor Qst by completeing his to do list realated FG, want to help(is it weired the i change so much the subject)--Pedro J. the rookie 01:36, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Yeah sorry i am i bit like that, but i will be nominateing FG for FAC after the peer review--Pedro J. the rookie 12:44, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey can you review the FLC of FG season 5--Pedro J. the rookie 15:52, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Congrats on the GA.--Pedro J. the rookie 02:37, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
My falut as it was unsourced i had litle tim e and the artical was very messy(no ofense) i deleted the info to be albe to put it again later, must of forgot. MY bad. will add with good sources. PS if you read this and i'm off line and you have the intrest of adding it i'd put it on the live performences section.--Pedro J. the rookie 14:11, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

fac

Wanted to let you now i have nominated Family Guy for FAC and informeing major FG contributers.--Pedro J. the rookie 18:42, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

also can you connect--Pedro J. the rookie 18:46, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
can you connect again--Pedro J. the rookie 22:24, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


Can you conect--Pedro J. the rookie 20:19, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Big Gay Al's Big Gay Boat Ride

Thanks for the review! I'm not sure that any of the pages on the polymorph disamg page are the correct article for the word "polymorphously" in this context. In any event, I don't think a wikilink is really needed in this case anyway, so I just dropped it altogether. Does that work? — Hunter Kahn (c) 04:37, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

We had a bot, the same bot that updated FA reviews, but for a ridiculous reason (the bot automatically de-transcluded the review from the talk page and that was criticized) its usage was discontinued. To add a proper article history, check the template page, all the parameters are listed there. Regards Hekerui (talk) 19:04, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
I just mean Template:ArticleHistory. Thanks for reviewing another article, the backlog is huge! I love your usepage btw :) Hekerui (talk) 19:11, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Davenport

Hi, Ctjf83. I ran through the history section once. You'll need more help. For one thing, Awadewit said "the 'History' section needs to be entirely rewritten (not just copyedited)" and she knows FA. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:02, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

WAF

Hello, CTF83!. You have new messages at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (writing about fiction).
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

If you have more questions about IN-U, I'm happy to lay out my intended meaning as the original author of that section. Having glanced at it as prompted by your comment, I'd agree that it could use a careful facelift/clearer structure/expansion.

Feel very free to ask or propose anything at WT:WAF. You seem like an able mind and I'd be happy to discuss a potential overhaul of the section with you, and of course anyonse else who wants to chime in. --78.34.219.216 (talk) 09:16, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

From Bed to Worse

Could you please voice your support on From Bed to Worse. Gage (talk) 22:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

 Done CTJF83 chat 20:46, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Road to the Multiverse

Could you do me a favor, can you copy-edit the plot of Road to the Multiverse. Thanks(its on GAN)--Saint Pedrolas J. Hohohohohoh merry christmas 01:49, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I cleaned it up a bit as well. Gage (talk) 04:48, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Yea thanks for that gage but the artical (acorrdig to the reviewer needs to be better in prose and i think you could do that --Saint Pedrolas J. Hohohohohoh merry christmas 16:52, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you Gage.
  • Pedro, what exactly does "It is also the second "Road to" episode directed by Greg Colton which focused on alternate realities" mean? Is it referring to Road to Germany? If so, put that.
  • Who refers to Mort Gordman's voice actor as a guest?
  • "Stewie discovers that each universe has also invented their own remote" was it each universe, or just the one where the Griffins are dogs?
  • There are some unreferenced cultural references

CTJF83 chat 20:51, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

FG4

as the fg3 was arch this is the new FG talk.--Saint Pedrolas J. Hohohohohoh merry christmas 13:40, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Abbreviations

I agree with 198.200. English writing does not permit the usage of abbreviations, with few exceptions such as tables and graphs. If 198.200 changed the % sign to spelling out the word, then he/she is correct. Apparently, Wikipedia approves the incorrect use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.108.27.21 (talk) 04:33, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

How do they approve it? CTJF83 chat 08:16, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Family Gay GAN

I noticed you were responding to the reviewer on your nomination of the Family Gay article, any update you can add to the GAN to keep the review going? Gage (talk) 14:31, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I work 2 jobs, so I'm really busy. I won't be able to watch the commentary again until Tuesday or Wednesday, so not sure if the reviewer is going to fail the GAC or not. CTJF83 chat 21:29, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Alright, sorry to bother. Gage (talk) 21:50, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Bother?! Not at all Gage! The reviewer graciously extended the GAC for a few days. CTJF83 chat 22:10, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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