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Hello Burzuchius. I have responded to your query on my talk page re this file. Sandbh (talk) 03:23, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Chalcogen

Must've misread the source. It said ±2, 4, 6. I initially thought the ± referred to all three numbers, but that actually makes no sense. I'll remove it.^King Jakob _C2 15:06, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, I am a native spanish-speaker and until the beginning of 2000s the CH and the Ll were letters of the abecedary in all dialects of Spains, and is know that historically it has been. i hadnt read the works of Antonio Nebrija, but is more clear that could have its origins in medieval Spanish, because that yet currently there much words in Spanish using the Ch joint and Ll in old words as in proper names. silla (chair), chaval (can be from old spanish because had variations in peninsular spanish, as chavo/chavito in mexican spanish), chollo, charco, llavero, infinities of words that are used in books and papers of the colony, ad normally today are used.--Vvven (talk) 21:42, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

our game

Um. Can't I just take it? I don't see any dirty tricks at play. Double sharp (talk) 12:13, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Do you want a draw by agreement? I see that my check can be perpetual.Burzuchius (talk) 15:45, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

So, I took the queen... Double sharp (talk) 15:59, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

22.Qg7# Double sharp (talk) 15:11, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

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Hello! As there is already an only proposed Wikipedia guideline on naming conventions (Cyrillic). The proposal is still in development, under discussion and needs of gathering consensus for adoption. Since I am well experienced on this subject, I would like to criticize the official transliteration of Bulgarian as it gives too many errors, which also causes some losses of sounds “ǎ (a hacek”), decentralise itself from other slavic languages (“c” and “š” voices), which is also conflicting in itself (see street signs 1 and 2). By this revision, it is away from being accurate and not able to satisfy the needs of an encyclopedia which claims to be scientifical. These are the reasons I invite you to read Scientific transliteration of Cyrillic and involve the discussion in order to contribute a possible concensus. Wish to see you here thanks Manaviko (talk) 13:28, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

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Hg and Cn

Thank you! From what I see, the most recent Cn (and Fl) predictions are for very volatile and inert elements that nevertheless are still metals and undergo metallic bonding (seen experimentally with Cn–Au and Fl–Au metallic bonds). I would personally bet that the most common oxidation state of Cn will not be +4 but 0. Recent studies incidentally place even the existence of CnF₄ in doubt. So stands firmly the periodic table, steering its elements deftly between the twin threats from relativity and quantum mechanics. Double sharp (talk) 13:42, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

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From the site you gave for the Russian proposal of "becquerelium" for element 110

I see the front page of the cite has an animation which looks to have some names that were considered for the transcalifornium elements: I see that 102 (joliotium), 103 (rutherfordium), 104 (kurchatovium), 105 (nielsbohrium) are there exactly as we give, and it looks like we instead have 113 (becquerelium), 114 (dubnium), 115 (langevinium), and 116 (flerovium). Do you know who's there for 112? I can't see the symbol very clearly and I'm slightly ashamed to say that I don't recognise the person. Double sharp (talk) 05:21, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

These names of the elements 113–116 are a proposal of the author of that site (Артём Буслаев) who considered that IUPAC and IUPAP underestimated Soviet research. For 112, he proposed "lavrentium", after Lavrentiy Beria, and for 118, "moscovium" (with the symbol Mw, which suggests the spelling "moscowium"). After IUPAC approval of 112, 114, and 116, Buslayev changed his proposal: 102–105 by Soviet names, 107 as dubnium (so Niels Bohr and Dubna come to be swapped in comparison to the IUPAC version), 106, 108–112, 114, and 116 by IUPAC names. Burzuchius (talk) 09:25, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Interesting; even if I dislike "lavrentium" as a name (Beria only supervised the project; Kurchatov is a more worthy eponym IMHO; and why does it use his first name?), it is interesting to see how it is close to "lawrencium" (and, indeed, IUPAC considered changing its name to "laurentium" to make it easier to use in other languages).

I do sympathise with his opinion to some extent; I'm not terribly impressed by the standards applied by the most recent JWPs, and I think that if you were accommodating enough you could reasonably give Dubna credit for all of elements 102–108 (and I have voiced that opinion here based on the standards applied for elements 114 and 116). But I would not go that far myself; in fact, I rather agree with the TWG's conclusions (if not the JWP's; for one thing, I still think there is reasonable doubt for elements 115 and 117 at least), and I only think that element 102 should indeed have been renamed to "joliotium". Double sharp (talk) 16:21, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

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Oxidating barnstar, with a state

	The Oxidating Barnstar for improving the Periodic Table You are meticulously keeping the List of oxidation states in high level of quality! Please keep going, thanks from WP:ELEMENTS – DePiep (talk) 20:29, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

DePiep, thank you very much for the barnstar! Burzuchius (talk) 20:54, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, re ox states

To be clear: yes, please keep editing & improving the main live table [1].

Later on this week I will switch over (the sandbox into mainspace), but I will allways check recent edits. -DePiep (talk) 21:19, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

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Russian alphabet

Hi. I think you may be right. My phrasebook has other errors, but Berlitz is Berlitz Corporation. If you know, can you explain why the letter Э was called э оборо́тное before. I thought it was like и краткое, so there was и, и краткое, and и оборо́тное, otherwise why wasn't it just called "Э" before? UserTwoSix (talk) 17:55, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

• The letter Э comes from reversing the letter Е, hence the word оборо́тное (backwards). One may argue that saying э оборо́тное is pleonastic, it should be either just э or е оборо́тное, but apparently there was some confusion on naming the letters е and э. Yakov Grot wrote: "буква е представляет йотованную, или облегченную, гласную, почему и название ея в азбуке должно произноситься «йэ», а не «э», как обыкновенно ее называют". So, the name э оборо́тное was used to distinguish э from е. Now the usual name of э is just э, but э оборо́тное is occasionally used when one wants to emphasize: "э and not е". Burzuchius (talk) 18:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

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Actinium(II) in oxidation state

Isn't it an electride? The article cited doesn't mention oxidation state, but if it's analogous to lanthanum dihydride, it should be an electride too. Double sharp (talk) 15:22, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I think it is an electride. It was not me who added Ac(II). Burzuchius (talk) 15:32, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Do you think we should remove it from the list? Double sharp (talk) 15:36, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps yes. Burzuchius (talk) 15:40, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Okay.  Done Double sharp (talk) 15:54, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Why not on a relevant talkpage? By now all edits are source-related. DePiep (talk) 16:08, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

@DePiep: I wasn't sure which the most watched talk page would be (maybe Talk:Oxidation state, maybe Template talk:List of oxidation states of the elements, so I asked someone I knew had been maintaining the list. Feel free to copy this over to wherever you think it's more relevant. Double sharp (talk) 16:24, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes I get such reasonable background, but the oxistates changes are so specialistic by now (no low hanging electrons any more) that documentation & related talk better be ~central. As in: searchable talk archives. And yes could be multiple talkpages. DePiep (talk) 16:41, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Vanadium

I have for some time had misgivings about attributing the discovery of vanadium to del Río, because he thereafter rejected his own claim, even though he was right. Is he more often credited these days?

Thanks for the updates to the discovery timeline, BTW: I had wondered about Na and K. It's good to have this 2022 review, because since discovering earths and elements were sort of identified in the XVIII century, it finally allows us to have more reasonable discovery dates, and not attribute a ton of metals to Davy when everyone already suspected they were there. (Of course, he belongs in history as the isolator.)

But who should we attribute fluorine to? Lavoisier? Scheele? Double sharp (talk) 15:26, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Here is a rare source (in Russian) that does not attribute many discoveries to Davy: [2]. The table in the source places K, Na, Ca, Si after P and H (attributed to Boyle, 1671) and before Co. But who is meant, I don't know. Burzuchius (talk) 16:24, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Well, that mentions Scheele for fluorine indeed. I must get a hold of what he actually wrote. Double sharp (talk) 03:02, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Huh, I was wrong about del Río. I had taken Paneth's word for it that he rejected his older claim, but Marshall and Marshall present evidence that this is not the case. And Berzelius and Wöhler themselves agreed that vanadium was identical to del Río's erythronium. So, I've restored him. Double sharp (talk) 14:12, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Russian name of astatine

Do you know approximately when it lost the suffix? I know it's астатин rather than астат in some early papers e.g. [3]. Double sharp (talk) 07:32, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

AFAIK 1962, see here: [4]. Burzuchius (talk) 08:00, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks!

Has anyone yet made the analogous suggestion for Ts? Double sharp (talk) 08:49, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

The suggestion exists informally: [5]. Burzuchius (talk) 09:02, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Interesting, thanks!

And I see there's also some discussion on whether Fl should have a yo or not. Double sharp (talk) 09:05, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Numbering floors in Georgia

Hi, in Georgian shopping centers like City Mall and East Point use European system. Michael Peter Fustumum (talk) 21:13, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

OK. Probably this is because Georgians now want to look less Russian and more European. Burzuchius (talk) 09:09, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

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Latest changes to Cyrillic alphabets

Sorry, the latest edits with the addition of “Cyrillic letters”? Obviously, similar articles are full of frankly rubbish edits. I personally am not good at this and cannot cross-check them all. Modun (talk) 06:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

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		Because I highly appreciate your work, and think that you don't have enough barnstars. :) Double sharp (talk) 03:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Double sharp, thank you very much for the barnstar! Burzuchius (talk) 10:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome!

BTW, where can I find the 2024 revisions of the German orthographic rules that deprecated Zäsium? (I'm still too used to spellings like Kadmium indeed.) Double sharp (talk) 17:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Double sharp: Here you can see the current edition and former editions. In the part "Wörterverzeichnis" under the letter C, the former editions stated "Caesium, Cäsium, Zäsium", but the current edition states just "Caesium, Cäsium". Burzuchius (talk) 17:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!! Double sharp (talk) 17:45, 30 July 2024 (UTC)