User talk:Britzl

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Britzl. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about in the page Defold, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. -- ferret (talk) 21:57, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

October 2020

Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia, as you did to Defold. While objective prose about beliefs, organisations, people, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Thank you. -- ferret (talk) 22:05, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This warning follows my warning about conflict of interest editing. If you continue to unredirect Defold with promotional content and primary-only sourcing, your ability to edit may be restricted. You should not edit in relation to this topic at all. -- ferret (talk) 22:06, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I need help understanding what I did wrong. What is considered promotional content? Other games engines such as Unity, Unreal and Godot all have their own Wikipedia articles and from what I can tell the content on those pages are similar to what I entered for Defold (About, History, Games etc) Britzl (talk) 22:22, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the conflict of interest information just above. It's clear that you have direct involvement with Defold and a conflict of interest. The tone of the content has a promotional and biased lean. As for why other engines have articles and Defold does not, notability on Wikipedia is shown through the use of reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. You can read about this at the policy page for notability. The other engines all meet this, while as Masem noted the first time he reverted you, he has been unable to find such sourcing for Defold. -- ferret (talk) 22:24, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, it is true that I have direct involvement. I made the edit since several of our users expressed the opinion that Defold should have a dedicated page and not a redirect. I'll ask them to create the page themselves. I'm still not entirely sure I understand the concept of notability through secondary sources. Defold as a tool for game development is referenced in a ton of places not in any way affiliated with King, Defold or the Defold Foundation. There are plenty of news articles going back to 2016 when Defold was given away for free by King (VentureBeat, PocketGamer, Game World Observer) all up to the present day when for instance Defold was awarded a grant by Coil, Mozilla and Creative Commons to explore Web Monetization as a new means for monetizing games (Grant For the Web). Another example is in an interview with Melsoft Games (in Russian) or when Heroic Labs announced that it partnered with the Defold Foundation. Finally it may be worth pointing out that educational material exists which cover the use of Defold for computer science teaches in the UK. Britzl (talk) 22:43, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest working on it with your community at Draft:Defold then submitting it to Articles for Creation. They will make a judgement call on the notability issue, saving everyone the stress of changing the redirect only to have it reverted. If AFC accepts the draft, it will be unlikely to be converted back to a redirect. -- ferret (talk) 23:08, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ferret, a while back I asked members of the Defold community to create a Wikipedia entry for Defold. Yesterday one user reached out and told me a draft had been created (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Defold&action=edit&redlink=1) but that the author (WDeri77 ) wasn't able to submit it for creation. When he tried adding the markup for the submit button/link he got some notification about a page redirect. Any idea what could be wrong?

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