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AfC notification: Draft:Mark Gillespie has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Mark Gillespie. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 14:52, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Mark Gillespie (music producer) (July 4)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Robert McClenon was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

This draft does not appear to indicate which of the musical notability criteria is satisfied. If at least one of the criteria is satisfied, please revise this draft appropriately, with a reliable source, if necessary stating on the talk page which criterion is met, and resubmit.

You may ask for advice about the musical notability criteria at the Teahouse.

This draft, as written, does not appear to indicate that one of the biographical notability criteria is satisfied. If one of the criteria is satisfied, please revise this draft appropriately, with a reliable source, if necessary stating on the talk page or in AFC comments which criterion is met, and resubmit. It is the responsibility of the submitter to show that a subject satisfies a notability criterion.

You may ask for advice about the biographical notability criteria at the Teahouse.

In particular, see and refer to WP:NCREATIVE for notability, which is the guideline that the subject should be evaluated against.

If the subject satisfies any of the musical notability criteria or notability criteria for creative professionals, please explain on the talk page of this draft when resubmitting.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Mark Gillespie (music producer) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Mark Gillespie (music producer), click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
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Robert McClenon (talk) 08:34, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Bouncecouncil! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Robert McClenon (talk) 08:34, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Mark Gillespie (music producer) (July 18)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Robert McClenon was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

This draft, as written, does not appear to indicate that one of the biographical notability criteria is satisfied. If one of the criteria is satisfied, please revise this draft appropriately, with a reliable source, if necessary stating on the talk page or in AFC comments which criterion is met, and resubmit. It is the responsibility of the submitter to show that a subject satisfies a notability criterion.

You may ask for advice about the biographical notability criteria at the Teahouse.

In particular, see and refer to WP:GNG for notability, which is the guideline that the subject should be evaluated against.

The submitter has stated that the subject is a music executive and not a music producer: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_McClenon&type=revision&diff=968185941&oldid=968157381&diffmode=source As a music executive, general notability rather than musical notability is applicable. General notability is a more difficult guideline than musical notability. The subject does not appear to satisfy either general notability or musical notability.

The submitter may ask for the advice or opinions of other experienced editors at the Teahouse.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Mark Gillespie (music producer) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Mark Gillespie (music producer), click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
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Robert McClenon (talk) 23:51, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Your thread has been archived

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Mark Gillespie (Music Manager)

The article you submitted to Articles for creation has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

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Thanks again, and happy editing!

Bouncecouncil (talk) 08:32, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Mark Gillespie (Music Manager)

The article you submitted to Articles for creation has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk. Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to create articles yourself without posting a request to Articles for creation.

If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider leaving us some feedback.

Thanks again, and happy editing!

Bouncecouncil (talk) 08:34, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Mark Gillespie (music manager) for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Mark Gillespie (music manager) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Gillespie (music manager) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. GirthSummit _(blether) 13:21, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Interviews

Hi again. I'd suggest you read WP:INTERVIEW - it's an essay, rather than an official guideline or policy, but it discusses sources of that nature in a useful manner, with references to relevant policies. Most of what is in Music Business Worldwide article is coming direct from the subject, so we treat that part of the content, which makes up the bulk of the content, as a primary source. There is some stuff that precedes the actual interview questions, which is presumably written by the author of that piece - that would be secondary, and would contribute towards notability. If there were multiple sources of that nature, we might be getting somewhere, but that's the only one I could find that gives any sort of depth of coverage to the subject himself - everything else is about his business, or his clients, with just a passing mention to him - not enough to satisfy our notability requirements outlined at GNG. I'm sure he's an important figure in his industry, when I say he is not notable I don't mean he's not important; we have a particular definition of NOTABILITY here, which is based on how much coverage they have received in sources that we can use to write articles.

FWIW, my advice is always to start by getting your sources together. If you can't find at least three solidly reliable, secondary sources, which are entirely independent of the subject, and which give the subject considerable depth of coverage - don't bother trying to put the article together. If you can find at least three such sources, you're probably good to go. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 18:25, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Girth Summit For what it’s worth, you may have just given me million dollar advice in that last paragraph. I’m going to sit down tonight and gather sources on Three Six Zero. As many of my wiki elders have stated, in my sources, Gillespie himself is trivial. However, the articles are all focused on his company.

Thank you so much for breaking down the music business worldwide piece. I can see where it is primary and slightly secondary. I feel like I just leveled up with this knowledge you have delivered. If no one else says it to you this week, I very much appreciate you. Bouncecouncil (talk)<

No worries - you're welcome. Note that the notability threshold for businesses are described at WP:NCORP - they're a bit more stringent that for people, but it's basically just a beefed up version of the same thing. My guess from the source hunt I did earlier would be that Three Six Zero is probably a notable business. Since you've shown in interest in the man and the business, it's probably my unpleasant duty to point you at the COI and PAID guidance, in case you have any connection.

By the way, don't use other people's signatures to ping them - it's confusing seeing my signature in something I didn't write! You can ping them by typing U|TheirUsername insides double curly brackets, so for example {{u|Bouncecouncil}} would work for you. More about this at WP:PING. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 19:04, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Girth Summit Thank you for correcting me on my ping protocol. Also, thank you for warning me regarding COI and PAID publishing. I don’t know the manger personally. I’m just a big fan of Calvin Harris. I saw that there’s no info on his manager and I saw an opportunity to shoot a fish in the barrel. This came after failed attempts at trying to update other wiki articles that were asking for cote assistance. However, I did add a cited source to an already published ESPN Analyst’s page. I do know them, but was not asked to update it. While the source is secondary and newsworthy, should I remove it and request on the talk page that someone else add it? Bouncecouncil (talk) 01:55, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bouncecouncil, probably easier just to tell me what the article is and I'll check your edits. GirthSummit _(blether) 08:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Girth Summit The article Keyshawn Johnson. Under “ESPN Analyst”, the final paragraph pertaining to the change in radio shows. I added that with references 19, 20, & 21. Bouncecouncil (talk) 17:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Mark Gillespie (music manager) (July 24)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Robert McClenon were:

Thank you for your submission, but the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at Mark Gillespie (music manager) instead.

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

This biography is also already in article space. Its submission simultaneously in draft space and in article space is disruptive.

Does the author of this draft have any sort of financial or other connection with the subject of this draft? Please read the conflict of interest policy and the paid editing policy and make any required declarations.

You may ask for advice about conflict of interest at the Teahouse.

If this draft is resubmitted without addressing the question about conflict of interest, it may be Rejected or nominated for deletion.

If tendentious submission continues, a topic-ban may be required.

The article has been nominated for deletion. If the article is kept, this draft may be redirected to the article. If the article is deleted, this draft may be kept for future improvement.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Mark Gillespie (music manager) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Mark Gillespie (music manager), click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
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Robert McClenon (talk) 22:19, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

July 2020

Please refrain from introducing inappropriate pages, such as Mark Gillespie (music manager), to Wikipedia, as doing so is not in accordance with our policies. For more information about creating articles, you may want to read Wikipedia:Your first article; you might also consider using the Article Wizard. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Creating the same biography in both draft space and article space after being declined in draft space is disruptive, and may even result in a topic-ban. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:29, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your expertise in educating me. Bouncecouncil (talk) 03:04, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your thread has been archived

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Your thread has been archived

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Your draft article, Draft:Mark Gillespie (music manager)

Hello, Bouncecouncil. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Mark Gillespie".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:33, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]