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Your comments at AE

Your comments at AE here is making the admins think that they have a lot to read. I think if you collapse all the text you added there, the admins will read and close that AE with or without action, faster (since everything you have typed is just friendly advise). I don't mean to offend you but I strongly believe that what I have typed here is in good faith!-Haani40 (talk) 14:48, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Haani40

Uninvolved users play an important role in by providing assessment and different and likely more neutral perspective to save admin time. My analysis in comments is policy wise quite relevant, I regret if other users are ignoring it.

I find it very strange you to presume some thing on admin behalf without providing dif of any such specific discussion by any admin. You know most part of my comment was already collapsed. Still in good faith I collapsed one more para after your request. Before reaching to misleading presumption you should have communicated with the admin and requested to close the case. Any ways I made the request to the admin. I wish and strongly suggest henceforth not to repeat presumption on somebody else's behalf. Bookku (talk) 16:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

OK, thanks for doing so!-Haani40 (talk) 17:26, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

This turned out to be sock saga. For my own record before archival. Bookku (talk) 14:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

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Pl help me find if possible

Can someone pl. help in finding previous discussions, similar to the case discussed in Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard#Notable scholar's own work acceptable or OR? section , from archives of WP:NORN notice board or any other discussion, if possible?

Request made on own talk page since helpme template is strangely not allowed in Wikipedia namespace though at times help can be helpful at noticeboards too in multiple ways. Bookku (talk) 00:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it's intentional that the {{help}} templates be used on your own user talk page.

No, you may not ask for subject matter help using them. And, at its base, that seems to be what you are trying to get. What you have is a completely normal discussion about content and it's being handled in the normal way, on a noticeboard or talk page. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jmcgnh I can understand you seem to be providing only 'how to' help. Though I suppose Wikipedia needs data mining support to study similar previous discussions since users discussing issues may have other time constraints.

Any ways is it essential for me to retain replaced template or I can remove the same since I have taken note of it? Bookku (talk) 02:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

You will find data mining with such vague questions to be hard to automate; as it is, people seem to be having a hard time figuring out what the topic of that discussion is, much less how some older discussion might be similar to it in some way.

You are free to edit your user page as you see fit, including removing (or archiving) sections for which you don't expect there to be followups. In fact, just about the only thing you are forbidden to remove are declined unblock notices. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• Providing support and help needs positive mind to understand difficulties without labeling, patience and perseverance; I am also in a role of providing help as discussion facilitator at Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard#Notable scholar's own work acceptable or OR?. Support and solutions are needed where things are complex, but any ways presently no Support and solutions around so no choice other than accepting no choice Bookku (talk) 04:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

More Jinn page dispute

Recently tweeked my sandbox rewrite here. Adding some of User:TheEagle107's recent additions. --Louis P. Boog (talk) 22:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

@Louis P. Boog

Most of your citations seem to be from reliable publishers and that actually VenusFeuerFalle gets early satisfied if publisher is reliable. I don't think VenusFeuerFalle would go to following length but being prepared is always better so you would be ready to discuss with anyone in advance with more confidence less hassle.

Actually source is secondary and reliable enough is supposed to be enough in Wikipedia but some users tend to stretch to such lengths

Bellow I have visited only couple of refs I shall visit the rest as soon as possible.

But when RfC debates are polarized and hot there is tendency of further crosschecking of author antecedents.

• For example if you cross check Mark A. Caudill profile at google books (your present ref no. '31' ) does not have academic teaching background but was/is in U.S. Foreign Service officer now some users may characterize the author as biased just because his back ground associated with US govt. service.
• Ref no 32 William E. Burns Some WP user can brush him aside because google books profile mentions him only as historian, so google his name and you find him as academic historian at George Washington University we may think so far so good, but other side will cross check whether you are referring him up to historical fact and analysis or going beyond in realms of religion without William E. Burns having academic background of religion in general and Islam in particular.

This way we will need to go one by one and look for alternate academic sources which give least chance of debate to other side. Also check if any academic is having exclusive religiously christian institutional background and I suppose you are already avoiding self-publishing authors too.

Now still you would have confidence in some content but did not get expected academic book immediately one way to approach with user like VenusFeuerFalle is to request them only to help you with 'you yourself have direct access to libraries and you are well read on the topic' you help us find acceptable author who would have supported same or similar sentence, if you know of any.' If help comes well and good other wise WP:REREQ is always there to request help.

Bookku (talk) 05:24, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

@Louis P. Boog, @TheEagle107

Prima facie most refs in highlighted text seem to be okay except for last in TheEagle107's list Charles H. Brewton, since Google Book profile of Charles Brewton says he is an American professor of business strategy not of Islam, religion or history. So its better to drop Brewton and look for alternate.

• Christiane Timmerman, seems to be an editor among other editor, you would need to check who is the author and whether there background is relevant.

Bookku (talk) 08:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

• Agreed on Brewton who appears to be writing as a Christian apologist.
• Did some digging on Timmerman book. p.310 is in Chapter 14. Struggling with the Jinn: Moroccan healing practices and the placebo effect (pp. 307-328) by Philip Hermans, "I am a guest professor of anthropology at the IMMRC (Interculturalism, Migration and Minorities Research Centre) since 2006. ... I have done research and published on Moroccan culture, Moroccan Islamic folk medicine, ethnicity, and the integration and education of ethnic minority children."

will make additions/changes to sandbox draft--Louis P. Boog (talk) 18:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello Bookku & @Louis P. Boog: Please see Talk:Jinn#Cherrypicking?. Thank you.--TheEagle107 (talk) 23:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

will check --Louis P. Boog (talk) 18:54, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@Louis P. Boog, @TheEagle107

In next steps I would suggest go through and note down various applicable policies, guidelines and essays for further discussion like WP:DUE, WP:NPOV, WP:Fringe WP:FALSEBALANCE etc. You can seek inputs from other users at related notice boards one at a time there after open WP:BEFORERFC discussion at the at article talk page to formalize neutral question for WP:RFC you can seek help of DRN admin in formation of neutral question for WP:RFC. And then go for WP:RFC and notify relevant project talk pages about RFC and let the community take consensus call. Bookku (talk) 08:10, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello again, with all due respect, but I think this user should, at least, be banned from editing this article for like a year or something, due to his lack of neutrality & his disruptive tactics. Plz see: Talk:Jinn/Archive_1#Possible_problem_with_VenusFeuerFalle's_edits. Let me quote his own words: "Many content I already knew before, others I read from the books. For example I only needed about 4 days for the whole "Dämonenglaube im Islam" by Tobias Nünlist (about 500 pages)."--TheEagle107 (talk) 12:10, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Well I am not admin to do that. I suppose they too were new then on Wikipedia. Also generally I discourage personalization of disputes from any side since we all are here primarily for content development and personalization is huge waste of time and energy, believe me. Bookku (talk) 13:09, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

There is nothing personal. Actually, neutrality is enough to solve the problem, at least for me. But the real problem is that some users think they are smarter than everyone else and trying to gaming the system. Anyway, let's wait and see! Thank you for your kindness, time, patience and effort in trying to resolve this dispute. I wish you all the best always.💚--TheEagle107 (talk) 14:07, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, thank you for moderating Bookku. What more do you see needs to be done before RFC?--Louis P. Boog (talk) 21:51, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Louis P. Boog

• WP:RFCBEFORE:

1) You have already completed steps - WP:3O, WT:ISLAM and WP:DRN.

2) At article talk page open a new section for 'RFC Before' - a) Present your updates in the draft ask if VFF wish to contest any sources if any disagreement on reliability of source seek inputs from WP:RSN b) Ask VFF if which/ any parts of your requested updates they are willing to take on board - if yes then well and good c) For remaining parts of content disagreement write neutral RFC questions preferably in agreement with VFF if disagreement on form of question seek help of DRN admin who had already offered to facilitate RfC, me or any other RfC experienced user can help in writing neutral questions. d) Write neutral synopsis of issues and policies involved for benefit of uninitiated users

3) Opening RfC in new section procedure is formatting as mentioned in WP:RFCTP -once neutral language questions are decided it's easy, the DRN admin RfC experienced user You can help you in this step. Bookku (talk) 03:02, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Steps 2) a) and b) on the Jinn talk page here. Waiting for VFF reply. You may have seen my proposed RfC here --Louis P. Boog (talk) 22:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Put question to Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard about Maududi and Fethullah Gülen here --Louis P. Boog (talk) 22:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

@Louis P. Boog

1) Many users who do not know nuances of topic Jinn navigating through a new topic all of a sudden can prove difficult and chance of you getting response may reduce.

See if beginning with a common and simplified version would help uninitiated users, some thing like following:

In this case ".. many ... scholars, including ... scholar ABCD and the ... scholar PQRS, believe in specific philosophical side XYZ." For this kind of sentence a specific RS is available from independent author. Say you wish to add two more notable author names 'EFGH', and 'MNOP' on the basis what they too have clearly written in their own (RS) scholarly work on the same lines. Would it be okay to add such names as WP:SUMMARY in the list or would that be considered WP:OR or WP:SYNTH ?

There after your specific case, along with some collapse template to reduce feeling of Wall of text. :: Wall of text feeling is likely to reduce number of responses because other users would think that would be time consuming to navigate through lesser known or un known topic area.

2) I can understand archives of Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard will be huge but try randomly couple of them if you get any similar case.

3) You can also seek help by putting {{helpme}} below your section with request to help you in finding similar case from archives or previous talk page discussions.

Bookku (talk) 09:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Very good idea. I'll start with 1). Thanks again. --Louis P. Boog (talk) 16:21, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello again, I just wanted to point out something which I think you didn't notice:

Quote

Essentials of the Islamic Faith • In addition to religious scholars, almost all Muslim philosophers and even all Oriental philosophers agree that angels and spirit beings exist. They just have different names for them. The Peripatetic (Mashshaiyyun) school of philosophy, although quite inclined toward rationalism and even materialism, admitted the existence of angels on the grounds that each species has a spiritual, incorporeal essence. The Illuminists (Ishraqiyyun) also accepted the existence of angels, calling them (wrongly) the "Ten Intellects and Masters of Species." On the other hand, followers of all Divine religions, guided by Divine Revelation, believe that there is an angel in charge of each type of existence, and name them accordingly: the Angel of the mountains, the Angel of the seas, the Angel of rain, and so on. Even naturalists and materialists, who restrict themselves to what they see, admit the meaning of angels, which they call pervasive forces. [1] • All Prophets, numbering 124,000 in reliable religious sources, report the existence of angels, spirit beings, jinn, and Satan. All saints and religious scholars agree on this invisible realm's existence. We hardly need to say that two specialists in a matter are preferable to thousands of non-specialists. In addition, it is an established fact that once a matter is confirmed by two people, its denial by thousands of others has no weight. Furthermore, all people of religion and followers of almost all religions accept the existence of such beings. All Divine Scriptures record the existence of spirit beings and the human spirit, as well as the story of Satan and how he tempts us. Above all, can one doubt the report of the Qur'an and the testimony and experiences of Prophet Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings? The proofs of the Qur'an's Divine authorship, the mission of Prophethood, and the Prophethood of Muhammad and all other Prophets, upon them be peace, also prove the invisible realm's existence and thus the existence of the spirit, angels, jinn, and Satan. The best and most rational way of establishing the existence of such beings is expounded by Islam, described by the Qur'an, and was seen by the Prophet, upon him be peace and blessings, during his Ascension through the heavens. The Qur'an explains the meaning of angelic existence so reasonably that anyone can understand it. In brief, it says that humanity is a community responsible for carrying out the Divine Commandments issuing from the Divine Attribute of Speech, and that angels are a community whose "working class" carry out the Divine Laws of nature issuing from the Attribute of Will. They are God's honored servants who do whatever He commands. The existence of angels and other spirit beings can be established by proving the existence of one angel. As denying one amounts to denying the species, accepting one requires accepting the species. • A consensus has formed, especially among followers of religions, that there have always been people who can see and converse with angels, jinn, Satan, and other spirit beings. Had angels not existed, had one angel never been seen or their existence established through observation, how could such a general belief continue? If this belief were not based on strong evidence, could it have come down to us despite changing ideas and beliefs and the passage of time? Therefore, we can conclude that religious belief in the existence of such beings is based on the experiences that the Prophets and other saintly persons have had with them. Such accounts have been narrated by reliable sources. Fethullah Gülen, Arguments For The Existence of Invisible Beings, posted in Essentials of the Islamic Faith.

In addition, I have did some more digging and collected some additional sources, just in case of any future objections.

Today, the belief in jinn continues to be deeply embedded in everyday life in many Islamic communities. In some contexts, if a Muslim denies the existence of jinn, he or she may be branded as kaafir, that is, rejecting the contents of the Qur’an and the Sunnah (Ameen, 2005).

Belief in jinn is, without a doubt, an universal component of Arab and Islamic cultures on all levels; this belief constitutes a part of the religious experience. Muslim theologians judge disbelief in jinn as heresy.

belief in jinn is generally considered to be part of folklore, jinn are mentioned in the Quran, leading some to argue that a belief in jinn is a legitimate Islamic belief.

As subsequent chapters will illustrate, the belief in jinn is pervasive in Afghanistan today.

Hope this helps. Peace.--TheEagle107 (talk) 09:26, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Comparative mythology

Hello Bookku, I would like to suggest removing this section from the article, because it gives too much weight to present the views of other religions, while the main topic of the article is jinn in Islam, NOT comparative mythology! So I consider it irrelevant and not directly linked to the specific context, and it seems to me a combination of WP:OR. I would like to ping users @User:Dumuzid and @User:Slatersteven because we had the same problem with the same user in the article of God in Islam. What do you think or suggest about this?TheEagle107 (talk) 20:22, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

I would agree; the section seems to me a bit too apologetic in tone, arguing that jinn are present in other religions. While there's certainly worthwhile stuff in there, I think it should be edited down quite a bit. As ever, that's just one old guy's opinion. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 02:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@TheEagle107

A) Like most other issues this too seem to be WP:DUE/ WP:UNDUE issue, you can very well take it up at upcoming RfC. Again if you wish you can seek additional inputs from WP:NPOVN / WP:FTN after closure of present notice board discussions before the proposed RfC.

B) Since you are also getting well versed in referring, evaluating and discussing academic references and WP policies you do not need to be overly wary of other users having different opinions than you. Keep focus on content and not persons.

C) No doubt Wikipedia is for collaborative content development just take care of WP:CAN guidelines and this essay. In WP:DR concerns when we invite we generally invite all concerned.

For more inputs what I do is I find relevant article /article talk relevant project notice board talk pages - Refer page information page - refer revision history from xtools find active among top contributing editors and invite all irrespective of their inclinations, if any.

I hope this helps. Bookku (talk) 04:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Just to avoid any edit wars on the issue, it would be better to seek additional opinions from other expert editors to reach a consensus decision within the community. First, I will open a discussion on the article's talk page. If there are any objections raised, then, for the sake of neutrality, I kindly ask you as a discussion facilitator to present the problem on WP:NPOVN & WP:FTN.--TheEagle107 (talk) 16:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Go ahead. It's a hopeless case. Even while the dispute still active, the POV template was removed. As I said above, I believe that this user should be banned at least from editing this article, due to his/her lack of Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Wikipedia is a mainstream encyclopedia & Wikipedia:Ownership of content. Anyway, let's move on to the next step and see what others will say.--TheEagle107 (talk) 02:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I updated intimations at couple of notice boards incl WP:FTN, WT:Myth, WT:Islam. Will do further needful as needed.

Any ways we are seeking inputs from relevant projects etc. and discussion will go for RfCs. My personal experience is Wikipedia community usually not much in favour of tagging articles, so getting community support on that remains difficult, though At personal level, usually, I would prefer tagging articles to seek more inputs/ participation from readers at least for couple of weeks.

Always remember there can be many more ways to have more inputs keeping focused on content. At the most dot down personal issues on your personal PC for future if needed any time at all. But preferably remain focused on content. Bookku (talk) 05:15, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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Hi! I hope you are doing well! I have created a brief profile for myself, and uploaded it more than once. So far, it does not show. I don't know why. It is supposed to be linked to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abbas_Tashakkori&action=edit&redlink=1 Any advice is appreciated. Abbas Tashakkori --Enlight710 (talk) 13:49, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Attempting Admin review clarification.

My first attempt to get an admin review was Gaismagorm (24 June) who I found when they had replied to a post on WP:ANI. He replied to me "I am terribly sorry, but I am not an administrator." I went to the pages of some other editors who had posted on WP:ANI and saw no indication they were admins, (or state they are not admins, as in the case of an active volunteer Robert McClenon) so after that I picked names from List_of_administrators/Active --Louis P. Boog (talk) 14:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

ea jabbar deletion

There is a deletion discussion on article E. A. Jabbar going on [1]. I can see that you have contributed to topics on atheism in kerala and related article. inviting you to the discussion

Thank you 2600:4040:4527:3200:E00F:ED46:D243:AA3B (talk) 01:34, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

My talk page top already asks to avoid WP:CAN, a little more advice has been shared at the AFD incase you do not come back here. Bookku (talk) 02:58, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

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Jinn issue

Hope you have not abandoned the Jinn RfC. It would be a shame to abandon all that work. --Louis P. Boog (talk) 22:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

@Louis P. Boog I am not sure present RfC is addressing your questions. Still, I suggested all you three to write summary of every talk page discussion section uptil now first - since most users would not understand nuances of the issues you are trying to maintain, for example other users would not understand difference between why some thing is essential but not central and that essential deserves more coverage (in your opinion)- and then prepare for RfC of your (LPB's) own questions.

The reasons of delay: All you three are not around at the same time that seem to slow the pace. Also @VenusFeuerFalle noted here if discussion getting settled by silence then don't enflame, so discussion facilitator's role is not to enflame, hence my silence until your comment. Anyways, your edits are self evident issue is not settled. Bookku (talk) 04:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm all in favor of not enflaming. --Louis P. Boog (talk) 02:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Louis P. Boog, The discussions up til now, you have shown great amount of patience and I have lot of appreciation for you.

Here I was explaining my own silence for a while and VFF also was also referring to their own silence for a while, that's it. Bookku (talk) 04:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Anything else to do before the RfC? ... and will the RfC wait until July 31?--Louis P. Boog (talk) 16:50, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Questions: Shouldn't the sentence added to the lede in sandbox proposed changes

Many Muslim scholars, believe that belief in Jinn is essential to the Islamic faith, since jinn are mentioned in the Quran.

be one of the Proposed additions of text on the talk page? Or am I missing something? --Louis P. Boog (talk) 20:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@Louis P. Boog :) It's your sandbox talk page after all feel free and help yourself to add more. I left 5th slot blank for such purpose only. You add it I shall check it once you add.

Another important thing is decide for yourself chronologically you wish to take it on first number or last one? My suggestion, this one being in the lead, to take it up later or last. Bookku (talk) 05:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

added to the 5th slot. Louis P. Boog (talk) 18:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

@Louis P. Boog

• I understand we get little fatigued by repeating same references among ourselves and in further mentions we tend to overlook whether our ref links are properly opening or not, but for uninvolved users visiting RfCs it can be 'put off'. I suggest (always) fill ref links properly so not to appear broken after some one clicks it.

look OK now? --Louis P. Boog (talk) 16:53, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

• I agree it's high time to start first RfC, but before that

1) First impression is best impression: See if you wish to open a new section at Talk:Jinn relisting your and Eagle's list of academic reliable sources (emphasis on academic) which support claim "important scope exists to increase the weight, without it being undue." The list is already there with you, suggesting just a relist since 'Ready relisting' will save RfC user's search effort.

not sure what you mean. relist? "ready relisting"? "The list is already there with you"? Do you want me to make a list of all the citations used in the "proposed additions"?

2) (I know it's there in the sources still) Include or Be ready with original source quotes that support wordings like "Many Muslim scholars", "an integral part", "completely accepted", 'prominently featured'

attempted to add a cite to Proposed additions of text 1 and now it won't open. Can tell me how I messed the code? --22:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Correction. checking the history I found earlier Proposed additions of text 1 do not open either! Can you fix this?? --00:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

3) I suppose, most preferably, you should be available for at least couple of weeks once we launch RfC Please confirm you are not planning on any long wiki-break, so we can start the first of your RfC. Bookku (talk) 09:37, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

wikibreaking aug.2-4, Sept.1-6 Louis P. Boog (talk) 12:01, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

When the time comes I'd like to be able to make a slight change to "User:Louis P. Boog says that is not sufficient enough and important scope exists to increase the weight." ... adding something like "with concise statements". I don't want to sound like a windbag. --Louis P. Boog (talk) 21:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Can you describe 'the sentence you expect' with little more detail? Bookku (talk) 05:57, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

I added a phrase Louis P. Boog (talk) 18:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

@Louis P. Boog,

2) Continued from above: (At your sandbox talk) Some excess templates seem to have remained in Proposed additions of text 5, which I have cleaned up now. Idk, May be excess templates in last subsection created difficulty while opening /saving from top? difficult to say -any ways I cleaned up remaining excess templates from subsection 5; Also try now editing subsection Proposed additions of text 1 and keep me informed.

• Important:

a) In sandbox talk You seem to have added additional ref at 'Proposed additions of text 1' Ali Olomi' -i)add page number to the same and ii)also update Talk:Jinn#RfC: Proposed additions of text 1

No page number in google books, but 1) included chapter and 2) link takes readers to the page. --Louis P. Boog (talk) 00:39, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

b) Also provide page numbers to Encyclopaedia of Islam citations at Talk:Jinn#RfC: Proposed additions of text 1 (as suggested by User:Slatersteven)

Brill, the publisher of EI, is "temporarily unavailable" in The Wikipedia Library (it was last time I check also). --Louis P. Boog (talk) 03:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

@Louis P. Boog as I suggested at your talk page try for page numbers from WP:REREQ. Bookku (talk) 07:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

c) After confirming you have provided page numbers reply User:Slatersteven stating you have done so at Talk:Jinn#Proposed additions of text 1 - Discussion

1) For you I initiated Talk:Jinn#RfC: Proposed additions of text 1 since it's already pending since long, but ideally I suggest Section or 'Subsection to previous section' with heading like "List of academic sources" before Talk:Jinn#Proposed additions of text 1 - Discussion.

What should consist of?: "a list of all the citations used in the "proposed additions" yes! + all other academic sources (of course with page numbers) that support your contention "important scope exists to increase the weight, without it being undue."

I'm still unclear. We have Reflist for Proposed additions of text 1 and Author brief for Proposed additions of text 1. Isn't that enough? --Louis P. Boog (talk) 02:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

What I meant positive presentation of addition of 1+2+3+4+5+ any other strong academic sources together. Just matter of positive presentation, It's not must, you can ignore this suggestion then no issues. Bookku (talk) 02:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Which other academic sources you already have? I analyzed some of sources from your sandbox in More Jinn page dispute, exclude those which I analyzed as weak and see which you can include of the rest (from your sandbox) for your support. Besides may be you or Eagle mentioned relevant academic source at Talk:Jinn or WP:NORN discussion or you know academic source but you have not listed so far.

If for some reason you do not want to include other relevant academic sources for any reason then at least "a list of all the citations used in the "proposed additions" will help put the discussion on right track, as I suppose.

Basically it's about you present your case in best possible way. Bookku (talk) 09:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

collapsible boxes

The collapsible boxes are all fine on the Jinn Talk Page and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Louis_P._Boog/sandbox/Jinn_sandbox_4-20-2024. Thank you for the technical points/explanation. --Louis P. Boog (talk) 01:45, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

rescinding

Once again thank you for all your work on this. I am onboard with a simpler RfC starting Monday. Are there any model RfC? Examples of good RfC? I tried to find one in Help section but did not. --Louis P. Boog (talk) 21:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• Example of an RfC at WP:RfC itself seems simplest.
  • More types available at Example formatting also can see essay WP:RFCQ, but anyways you are going for simplest one.
• Take care of technical aspects and importance of time stamp already told you. You get time stamp with your signature or ~~~~~.
• Present section heading "RfC: Proposed additions of text 1" was okay but did not have question mark. May be you wish to try some thing like "RfC:Should the following sentence be added?" in section heading.
• Then "In section "Islam": Should the following sentence be added to "Islam" section in the article?" this question is okay, then the sentence you are proposing to add and your You get time stamp with your signature or ~~~~~.

• After heading {{rfc|reli|soc|hist}} but before The question. Or may be you wish to request Redrose64 or WhatamIdoing or Robert McClenon help in adding the tag. (Technical note: to display this tag as example, open this section with 'edit source' and the way tlx is used - otherwise any where you use the tag Bot will consider that as RfC so be careful)
• The WT:RFC discussion seemed to suggest not to have anything more than this to keep it simple. May be you wish to read that discussion again, if needed.

Happy editing Bookku (talk) 12:37, 1 August 2024 (UTC) ‎

@Louis P. Boog

I suggest avoid collapse templates this time for RfC.

Though our intention is to provide relevant useful information in concise manner through collapse templates, users are not used to such usage may be. Bookku (talk) 05:37, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Do you want to reopen the RfC? --Louis P. Boog (talk) 21:36, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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