User talk:Bgwhite/Archive 31

This is an archive of past discussions about User:Bgwhite. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

Archive 25

←

Archive 29

→

Recent Edit on Adolfas Mekas

On 4 June 2014‎ you removed a comprehensive list of books, publications, and periodicals by the Lithuanian filmmaker Adolfas Meka. The list was useful knowledge that would be pertinent to someone who is interested in the filmmaker's life and represents a legitimately compiled source that might be difficult to find elsewhere. After reviewing the page before your edit however I agree that the list was presented in a non-concise way and obstructed the flow of the page; if you don't object I would like to bring the list back but in a more concise form. If you have any suggestions for how I should do this please let me know otherwise I will find a suitable method myself.

A.entropy (talk) 16:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

A.entropy, No. Wikipedia is not a place to mention everything. From Encyclopedia, "An Encyclopedia is a type of reference work – a compendium holding a summary of information...". There is no need to list over 100 articles a person may have written as the article is a summary *about* the person, not a repository of everything a person has written. Only list the highlights, articles that won an award or were highly influential. If you want to list more, then give a link in the external links section or create a "Adolfas Mekas bibliography" page. Bgwhite (talk) 18:20, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Your suggestion for a bibliography page is a better alternative to otherwise removing this information from the site and I am happy to take that route. You can have a look at it at Adolfas_Mekas_Bibliography. A.entropy (talk) 20:59, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

A.entropy, alot of the dates are not in English. You may want to use the {{cite book}} template for the books and also include the ISBN numbers. With an ISBN, a person can easily see if the book is available at a library near the person. A Google Book link is always nice, but not necessary. You may want to add some limited information on Mekas in the lede. Bgwhite (talk) 21:11, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips. I'll look into it. A.entropy (talk) 00:41, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you ... ~~ Abhinand1234 (talk) 03:02, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Programming variables issue

Please go to Talk:Visa_requirements_for_Israeli_citizens#Programming_variables_issue. Thanks--Twofortnights (talk) 18:39, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

"Non-English in ENGLISH Wikipedia"

If the concept of "non-English in the English Wikipedia" seems strange, it shouldn't be – take a look at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/China-related articles. Thanks for showing the no italics template. White Whirlwind 咨 17:21, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

White whirlwind, the no italics template was already in the article. There are thousand of templates that we can't remember or find. Giving the title in Chinese doesn't do any good for English readers. fyi... The name of the book is wrong in the article, needs a space. Name is Shang shu zong shu and ISBN 9787532503001. Bgwhite (talk) 20:15, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, my friend, giving the characters to East Asian works in bibliographies is standard practice in the field and is also standard in relevant Wikipedia articles. Additionally, the name is not wrong – Shang shu zong shu looks like a library database spelling, as it is also standard practice to only space between words when giving Chinese titles, but libraries and online listings typically separate morphemes for search optimization purposes. Word boundaries work differently in Chinese than they do in European languages, so the difference between Shang shu zong shu and Shangshu zongshu is a false dichotomy, ultimately. I'm grateful for you fixing the template, but do yourself a favor and confine your criticisms to subjects on which you are knowledgable. White Whirlwind 咨 20:36, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

White whirlwind, keep your condoning jack assery to yourself next time. This isn't about Chinese to English translation, this is about what the sources say. Every English database has "Shang shu zong shu". If a person tries to search for it without a space, they won't find it. Amazon, Google, WorldCat, Open Library, OCLC, and others have it with a space. In the English world it has a space. This is ENGLISH Wikipedia, not Chinese. You go with its name in English. Bgwhite (talk) 20:58, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

When it comes to Chinese-related articles on the English Wikipedia, I'll stick with my expertise over yours. ;) Have a nice day. White Whirlwind 咨 21:01, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

We go with what the sources say. We go with the instructions on templates. We do not go with our own whims. Follow the same rules all editors abide by. English sources say Shang shu zong shu This is how it is found on all major sites. This is what is we go with. Bgwhite (talk) 05:20, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-25

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Reminder

You can subscribe to the wikitech-ambassadors mailing list to get news more quickly and to send feedback or report problems.

Recent software changes

The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf9) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on June 12. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on June 17, and to all Wikipedias on June 19 (calendar).
You can now read a summary of the Wikimedia technical report for May 2014.

VisualEditor news

You can now easily see the target of a link or other information using the context menu. [1]
When you edit a reference, you can now empty it and click the "use an existing reference" button to switch it to re-use another reference. [2] [3]
You can now add and edit {{DISPLAYTITLE}} and __DISAMBIG__ in the page settings menu. [4] [5] [6] [7]
The tool to insert special characters is now wider and simpler; the order of mathematical symbols is now correct. [8] [9] [10]

Future software changes

Media Viewer will be enabled by default on all wikis on June 19. Feedback is welcome. [11]
You will no longer be able to use navigation popups and Hovercards at the same time. [12]
You will no longer see image thumbnails on search results pages on Wikibooks and Wikisource wikis. [13] [14]
It will soon be possible to globally rename global (SUL) users. [15] [16]
Tablet users will be redirected to the mobile view of Wikimedia wikis starting on June 17. [17]
The special page that lists most linked-to templates will soon include pages from all namespaces; it will also be renamed to Special:MostTranscludedPages. [18]
An IRC discussion about Phabricator will take place on June 17 at 17:30 UTC on the channel #wikimedia-office on freenode (time conversion). You can also read a blog post about the upcoming switch to Phabricator.
You can now comment on the draft 2014-15 goals of the Wikimedia Foundation engineering department. [19]

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by MediaWiki message delivery • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

07:13, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Ref 3 and 15 in the article are the same - thanks for the heads up! satusuro 00:52, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Moving HTML comments

Please don't move HTML comments, as you did in this edit. HTML comments are often used to annotate the text against which they are placed, or they may be used to temporarily hide something that is in the correct place but which shouldn't be displayed at the present time. In this case, it's the latter: the commented-out category was placed among other categories, ready to be de-commented when the rail service begins. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:19, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Redrose64, FYI.... That was a function of AWB. It moves anything after categories that is not a stub or interwiki link. Bgwhite (talk) 17:20, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Then AWB is in error. Regardless, WP:AWB#Rules of use item 1 applies: please do not move hidden comments. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:12, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Redrose64, I was just saying why it happened. I didn't say what I did was right or wrong, only why. Egads, No need to go apeshit on me, give a lecture and recite the rules. Turn your nose up at somebody else. Bgwhite (talk) 20:31, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Nice work; very organized, from what I can see! JustBerry (talk) 22:25, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Adolfas Mekas Page

bgwhite, Please stop moving the Adolfas Bibliography within his page. That is a reference--those are all references. If you misunderstood what the page was, I'm sorry but please stop obsessively targeting this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hilsteadman (talk • contribs) 01:39, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Please put new messages at the bottom. Also, please sign all talk messages with ~~~~

The Wikipedia page is not a reference. Wikipedia can never be a reference as Wikipedia is unreliable. A reference is an independent, reliable, third-party article. The Wikipdia page expands on Mekas' written works, so it belongs in that section. If a reader want to know about his works, they don't look at the bottom of the page, they look at the published works section.

Please add more references. Anything not referenced is subject to be removed. Bgwhite (talk) 04:23, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Those are references. I wrote all of it. It does not expand on anything adolfas wrote. If you read it, you'll notice none of those were written by adolfas. I know wikipedia is not a reference but since you removed all those from references and insisted its own page was created so you wouldn't keep deleting it, it is on a separate page. During this process, my colleague mistakenly gave you the impression that they were written by Adolfas. Please disregard this. I will rename the page "references" if that helps you. Those are all references. They belong under references otherwise the page will be flagged also for not having references. By the way, I am neither a student or family member of adolfas so please remove the flag about conflict of interest. In my previous post I was just commenting on the fact that the family of adolfas contacted me very upset when they saw you kept removing the references. I don't know who you are, but I've worked very hard on making this page accurate so your insistent reversal of my edits is very frustrating. Hilsteadman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hilsteadman (talk • contribs)

Also calling people obsessive won't make them any less happy. If anything they would be happy that you said they were focusing perfectly on the page that they were working on Lor^Chat 10:04, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

A list of books written by the subject never has been and never will be a reference. It is just a list of books. The list of books is not referencing anything in the article. The bibliography page is an expansion of the published works section. A link to the bibliography page belongs in the public works section. This is how it is done on Wikipedia.

The bibliography page DOES NEED REFERENCES. The main page DOES NEED REFERENCES. Reference is a third party, independent, reliable piece of information. A list of books does not qualify as it is neither third party nor independent. The bibliography page needs to be formatted correctly. The bibliography page needs a lead that gives some info about who Mekas was and what will follow on the page. Material in the main page will be removed without references.

Lor is right, I would love not to be working on this page. I make 10,000 edits a month on a thousand articles. I would love more time with those than this. Bgwhite (talk) 21:20, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

XXIV

Congratulations, Mr. Big-shot 24! Does this mean you're gonna add another userbox to my page gloating that you've surpassed me? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 09:38, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Mandarax, you know I will. I'll have to make it extra special and BIG. I didn't know I finally reached 24. It's nice to know you are keeping an eye out to see how slooow and insignificant you have become. Bgwhite (talk) 21:32, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't even bother checking myself anymore. (My editing rate has dropped so much that I can often see edits from two or three days on the first page of my contributions.) I was just monitoring the list to see when your Big Moment of triumph over me would arrive. Speaking of "slooow", it sure took you long enough!! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:50, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Rudd Center entry

Hi, thanks much for your kindly heading fix on the Rudd Center entry. This is being edited a bit by my university students, and we will be proofreading it more closely in coming days. ````Phoebe13

Thank you

Thank you for always editing and I really appreciate your editing! I don't know how to give a prize, but truly thank you. User:Gamera1123 {{Usertalk:Gamera1123}}

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors!

please help translate this message into the local language

	The Cure Award
	In 2013 you were one of the top 300 medical editors across any language of Wikipedia. Thank you so much for helping bring free, complete, accurate, up-to-date medical information to the public. We really appreciate you and the vital work you do!

We are wondering about the educational background of our top medical editors. Would you please complete a quick 5-question survey? (please only fill this out if you received the award)

Thanks again :) --Ocaasi, Doc James and the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation

Parvathy nair

Hello sir ,

Thank you for helping us. parabrahma kannada film is just a news,,, she got a offer,,,not doing it...... pc pravasi tamil,malayalam she stopped doing it .... and Vasco da gama (you deleted it but she is doing this film)... she is in shoot for this film ,,, she is doing a teacher character not college girl ... "it saw Parvathy playing a traditional character in the past.[4] That year, she was also shooting for the Kannada film Parvathi Pura, playing the role of a photographer.[4]

Swapnatheeram and 13 B Hindu Marriage Act, in all of which she will be seen playing a young wife.[9] She had signed up to play the female lead Meera in Pravasi, a crime thriller based on real life incidents, which was being made as PC in Tamil.[10] She has also signed up the Kannada film, Vasco-da-Gama in which she plays the role of a college girl.[11] She had also agreed to play the lead in the Hindi-English bilingual Ekaki directed by Ashtar Sayed, that would mark her Bollywood debut.[3] "

this dialogues not true.... please try to delete it ....

if you want to ask her about this this is her facebook profile https://www.facebook.com/parvathy.nair.39?fref=tl_fr_box email id :- parvativenugopal@gmail.com

Parvathy nair page ...

Hello sir,

thank you sir for you help.... but the other user reverting everything like before all the time.. I am new to wikipedia ...I dont know the rules correctly ....hope you help me to make parvathy nair page real ..... advance thanks

Parvathy nair page

ok.... waiting for your response ... thank you ...

Incorrect spelling corrections

I have undone the spelling changes in this change. The correct spelling is Enmao as best I can see. The sources are Chinese and/or offline but Google Translate and wiktionary agree 王恩茂 should be Wang Enmao.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 01:01, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

JohnBlackburne, my stupidity is even worse... I actually clicked on a few Enmao's to not make the change, then I spaced out the others. I've reported the problem, so hopefully I can't do this error again. Unfortunately, my stupidity adapts. Thank you for telling me. Bgwhite (talk) 04:55, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Flow of Funds Entry

I am a new user and the section on the UK was my first edit, I would be interested to know why this was removed in order to assist me making future edits Jstarm (talk) 08:41, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Jstarm, a few things.

It was not referenced.
It lists what might happen (see WP:CRYSTAL).
The article is about the "Flow of Funds", not the blue book. A more appropriate place to add the info would be United Kingdom National Accounts - The Blue Book.

Bgwhite (talk) 17:20, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Bgwhite , thanks for your advice. I have changed the wording so it is not about what 'might' happen, but what is going to happen. I work on the team producing it so I know that it will happen. In regards to references, I was merely using the Organisation of the US Flow of Funds section as a template, which contained no references so I thought the UK section would be OK to do the same. This also applies to the relevance of the info in the 'Flow of Funds' article rather than 'Blue Book.' Thanks. Jstarm (talk) 09:23, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Bgwhite , I made changes to the page which was in keeping with your points, I mentioned these changes in the above comment ^^. Please could you explain why it is so different from the US section that it can't be posted and why you even reversed my edit on the opening sentence, which explained more clearly the publication of the Flow of Funds? Thanks. Jstarm (talk) 13:06, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

2013–14 Turkish Basketball League

Your AWB edit to 2013–14 Turkish Basketball League changed "long=32.29" to "long=32)" inside a location map, thus breaking it. Do you know why this happened? Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:27, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Jackmcbarn It's not AWB's fault. Probably editor's error. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:31, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Nor typo(s) fixing problem. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:35, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Teapot Industries

Hi Bgwhite, thank you for your help. I understand that some small tags are not necessary, but in the last edit by Solarra all quotes were referenced, so there's no need to remove them ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.117.230.105 (talk) 10:06, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

80.117.230.105, the quotes do not have references. The first quote at the top of the page has nothing. The second, long quote, has a ref, but the quote is not found in the ref. fyi... a page doesn't start off with a quote, so once it is referenced, it should be moved down into the articles someplace. Bgwhite (talk) 17:48, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Tori Amos/Efua/Sonia/Brother Beyond/Kate Bush Australian (ARIA) singles chart peaks outside the top 100

Hi, I noticed that you reverted my recent edits on the Tori Amos Discography, Kate Bush Discography, Brother Beyond and Efua pages, containing Australian (ARIA) chart positions outside the top 100. Although these are not available to verify online, I obtained them directly from the chart coordinator at ARIA, and would be happy to forward you the email (with ARIA signature) containing this information for proof if you message me an email address to send it to. ARIA do respond to chart inquiries submitted through their website - see http://www.ariacharts.com.au/about/faq . I added this information to these articles as I thought some readers would be interested to know these Australian chart positions. I am going to revert your edits. Furthermore, several other written sources that cannot be verified online (but are accurate and can be verified in published books) are cited on these pages, including all of the Australian (ARIA) chart peaks between 51 and 100; yet they remain, as they should. Several of these references I have added myself, as I have a particular interest in Australian chart peaks outside the top 50. Nqr9 (talk) 09:24, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Nqr9, personal communication means absolutely nothing. It is worthless. Personal communication and email can be easily forged. Per Wikipedia:Verifiability, "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution. If you cannot provide the reference, then don't add the material. Do not revert without adding a proper, verifiable source. Also when you revert, don't revert the fixes. Bgwhite (talk) 21:01, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

It *is* verifiable though if you contact ARIA via the link I provided and ask for those chart positions. Nqr9 (talk) 23:27, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

You gave no link. You only gave the wikilink to ARIA. Your exact words were, "through personal communication on 2014-01-17 and 2014-06-18". For the last time, personal communication is NOT verifiable evidence. There is no way to know if you are lying or not. From WP:SOURCE, "Unpublished materials are not considered reliable." Bgwhite (talk) 04:55, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

As I've said, you can ask ARIA about for specific chart information, through the form on this page - http://www.ariacharts.com.au/about . I do have a direct email contact address, but obviously don't want to publish it here. If there's a way you can send me a message/email me (I think I now have it set so that you can, using the toolbox on the left hand side), I'd be happy to forward you the original email correspondence I received from ARIA, from an aria.com.au address and with their watermark/signature on it. My main contribution to wikipedia is providing Australian chart information and correcting inaccurate Australian chart information - look through my contributions list. Nqr9 (talk) 01:55, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Nqr9, I cannot verify the email as this is handle by another group. You are about to embark in an area I loathe. If you ever seen the movie Brazil, think of its bureaucracy, but only worse. Welcome to OTRS. I'd either pose your question at the noticeboard or send email to info-en-o@wikimedia.org. They can be slow because of a backlog. I vilify them because how you contact them is always changing and the group comprises of lawyers or want to be lawyers. Nqr9 Bgwhite (talk) 17:54, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

European Schools

Dear Bgwhite, thanks for improving the quality of the entry for the European Schools. I am editing this page on behalf of the students’ committee elected by the more than 10000 pupils of the European Schools. When preparing the lists of students achievements and famous alumni in 2012 we had to use criteria. In addition to having been a documented alumnus, persons had to meet 3 additional criteria, of which the first two come from Wikipedia’s notable list at the time & adding 3rd criteria relevant for the European dimension of the schools:

1. Has to be notable

2. Must have a web based secondary and independent source

3. Must have been active in at least 3 different countries.

Since then, Wiki users across the world took up our list (published on the European School pages in main EU languages) and added some alumni. We feel all the persons listed as famous alumni on the European School page and which you deleted satisfy all three criteria listed above. The reason is that we just checked the list the day before your review adding several, but also deleting two which did not meet anymore the notability criteria.

We agree with you and with Wikipedia almamater page that Students achievements fit better with the Schools’ webpage and we would not put them back.

However, unless we get additional reasons for not doing so by next Saturday 28 June, we would undo your edit and put the famous alumni back.

Salutations

Bettylella (talk) 13:43, 22 June 2014 (UTC) Bettylella on behalf of Alumni of European Schools

Bettylella, thank you for contacting me. The first thing I noticed is the lack of a reference or a reliable reference on many of the names. There are also many names that would not be notable under the reason given. For example, there are people who won the "Belgian Olympic games for mathematics in 2011". I can't find the event. It might be International Mathematical Olympiad and individual winners are not notable under Wikipedia guidelines. Could you create a listing of people, with reliable references, that you think should be on the page. You can create on the European Schools' talk page. The we can talk about the people and see who meets the criteria. Bgwhite (talk) 21:37, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

2014 World Music Awards

Looks like AWB is throwing up some false positives on band names here; you may want to hand-check this one, especially with foreign titles (I reverted based not on AWB's errors, but due to a COI issue with an IP editing to remove negative information). Nate • (chatter) 05:24, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Nate, You are right. Labyrinth vs Labrinth. Never would have guessed. Others were correct, such as the several dont vs. don't. So, spelling does need to be checked in the article. I just fixed the problem I was originally there for, but without fixing the spelling. Bgwhite (talk) 07:35, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

The Intern (2015 film)

Please check out the User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox1 and move it to The Intern (2015 film) - The target article is just a redirect, so please remove it first and don't leave the redirect, thanks. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 15:50, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Just a minute here, please. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 01:48, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Assassin, could you add a couple of sentences on what the film is about. You should also add links to De Niro's, Hathaway's and the director's articles.Bgwhite (talk) 05:36, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Sure, I'm going to do that. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 10:40, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Spike O'Dell

Bgwhite- I am looking for your advice on the Spike O'Dell wiki page. I apologize ahead of time as I am a new user of wiki. I am trying to update Spike O'Dell's page to include biographical data (ie, his resume and other awards) I have put up his page several times since Friday and it keeps getting deleted. I am wondering what I am doing wrong with the page and perhaps I am coding it incorrectly. I am not sure if you were the original creator of this page or not, I just see your username used at the top. I would appreciate any of your help in this matter as Spike will be inducted into a WGN Walk of Fame on Friday June 27 at the Tribune Tower in Chicago and I was hoping to update and add to his page before this event. I was Spike's producer back in the 90s for 6 1/2 years and wanted to add to his page. I really really appreciate your time and consideration as I am very new to this process. I "use" wiki to look up things all the time for my kids, but I haven't exactly used it to post on a person. I also was having trouble adding a picture in the top right corner. Sorry to bombard you with 20 question. I look forward to your reply. Regards- Thetracinator (talk) 20:38, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

bgwhite- i am writing to you as i'm not sure my first talk was received. i am interested in editing the spike o'dell page and it keeps getting deleted and referred back to your previous entry. please advise. there is no conflict of interest as i am no longer affiliated with him OR any radio station. please advise as i would like to correct this before Friday, June 27. your reply is appreciated. as you might imagine, i am new to the wiki environment and am not trying to harm the system or slander a living person. Merely update his resume to list the stations he worked at and the various projects he worked on during his tenure at the radio station. i recognize that you are a super user of wiki and would love to learn more about how to make edits and additions to the current post that you have written. Thetracinator (talk) 00:56, 24 June 2014 (UTC)thetracinator

Thetracinator, we are a bunch of volunteers who work around the globe. I don't keep normal American hours.

You stated you are a producer of O'Dell's. Even if you are no longer affiliated, you still have a conflict of interest.

I'm not a "super" user. Just someone who is dumb enough to stick around.

If this is 20 questions, you forgot to ask animal, vegetable or mineral. :)

No all caps section headings.
You deleted the lead or starting paragraph. With the removal, you also deleted the references that went with it. This paragraph should stay as it gives the overview of O'Dell. Things can be changed, but it should stay.
The radio career paragraph was added with no references.
Spike-isms and Frequent caller sections, except for one ref, is unreferenced. I don't think they should even be there. Maybe some Spike-isms, but they are not all "Spike-isms". Some are segments of the show.
Charitable contributions: The first one is with the station. It is not a charitable contribution, it was part of his employment. This doesn't mean you can't mention it, but not in a "charitable contribution" section. Cookbook is nice, but needs a ref.
Awards. Most are unreferenced.
Don't write with peacock words. We are supposed to remain neutral and give facts. I think of it as minimal adjectives and adverbs. Examples are: 1) lead to his fateful call. 2) at this heritage station, with the powerful call letters W-G-N.. 3) Created a hilarious segment

I think keep the original first paragraph, minus the last sentence about Steve Cochran. Keep your "early life" and "career" sections, but add more refs. Drop everything else. The important award is the Billboard Magazine award and that is already mentioned in the career section. Maybe it would be better to write a paragraph or two about what a typical radio show of Spike was about. Weave some of the Spike-isms into the paragraph, such as some regular segments were... Use the Jim Rome Show or another radio show as an example of what could be added. Bgwhite (talk) 05:31, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

bgwhite- i appreciate you taking the time to help me correct my entry as a first time editor. I have done the following per your request.

got rid of all cap headings ( i didn't know that was a rule, apologies. not a problem)
put back the lead or starting paragraph that was originally there as you wished.
the radio career paragraph did indeed have references. I added some more. the paragraph had sentence form of what would be otherwise a bullet point list of his resume. instead of referencing them twice, i simply put the references next to the station names.
i changed the name of Spike-isms to Frequent guests, segments and giveaways on the show. as you can imagine, many of these things cannot be referenced because they were radio segments and there is no audio for them. i'm finding it hard to reference everything as it was the spoken word, not a newspaper column etc.
charitable contributions. with all due respect, the Bite Your Butt Mustard and Condiment line was NOT part of the radio station. That was a seperate venture Spike took on away from the radio station. As you will note in the article, the name of the mustard wasn't the WGN Spike O'Dell Bite your Butt mustard. It was Spike's Bite your Butt Mustard. The cookbook was a legitimate function of the radio station as you will notice on the cover of the cookbook it says WGN Radio presents the Spike O'Dell Bite your Butt Mustard cookbook. I would appreciate your consideration in not deleting this as I have cleared up any misundertandings regarding these two separate things. It was Spike's decision to make them charitable donations and not for profit. It was Spike's decision to have proceeds go to the Tribune Charity, not the radio stations decision.
Awards: The A.I.R. awards by the March of Dimes doesn't exist anymore, otherwise I would have put a citation for that award. There is no website to cite. Same goes for the Lovell Award.
I have gotten rid of all "peacock" words. However, just as a side note, the word "Heritage station" is not an adjective to boast. It is a regularly used term used in the radio industry. Heritage station is the term for an AM radio station that has broadcast a specific format for a sustained period of time. Which WGN has for 90 years.

I believe I have met the criteria you have asked for to allow my entry to stay intact. I would really appreciate you not deleting this entry again without further discussion and allowing me the opportunity to fix, amend or discuss. I believe your intentions are good, but I also submit that you can imagine in radio, before the proliferation of podcasting, there is a fair amount of difficulty in documenting the spoken word. I humbly request that you please stop deleting my entries as I have spent a great deal of time to meet your criteria. Warm regards- Thetracinator (talk) 21:11, 24 June 2014 (UTC)thetracinator

Is a sock back at it again?

On 31 May, you deleted Bara' Marei due to sockpuppetry. Today, Baraa Marey was created by Everyoneis1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Is the same party at it again? —C.Fred (talk) 17:31, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

C.Fred, yes it is the same party. I had already filed a sockpuppet reports, but sometimes one doesn't always know the sock has returned, so thank you for alerting me. Bgwhite (talk) 04:47, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you but I just wanted to let you know that I've recreated the article and this time it's clean; no Facebook links, no double brackets and not even this | symbol included. This has to be legitimate and acceptable. Please don't delete my recent articles and please don't undo or revert any of my recent edits. Please I'm begging you, do not undo any of my recent contributions, that's all I ask. I spend a lot of time just doing all this :(

You broke the rules. You pay the consequences for breaking the rules. Coming back week after week with another account and doing the same things doesn't help your cause. Doing the same things that got you in trouble the first time also doesn't help. You just can't understand that this is the English Wikipedia. We use English sources unless no English sources can be found. You just can't make up how many goals one makes or how many caps a player has. You have to go by what the refs say. You didn't listen then and you still are not listening by doing the same things. Bgwhite (talk) 04:47, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Parvathy Nair Page

Dear sir,I was added a photo of parvathy nair with kamal hassan recently.it was deleted now.how can i fix it. --Abhinand1234 (talk) 07:38, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Abhinand1234, I was wondering why the photo changed. It looks like your photos were deleted due to copyright reasons. The photos were found on other sites and the copyright did not allow for copying them to Wikipedia. Bgwhite (talk) 07:51, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

actually there is no copyrighted issues for the photo..the photo is taken by parvathy's friend with her mobile.and she have no issue of posting that photo in wiki.I posted that photo after asking her,if some site posted that image.actually they do copy.how can you help me to fix the image again,--Abhinand1234 (talk) 08:49, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

actually Image was not deleted ..only from page it was deleted ..I added it back.pls correct the errors .and try to help me. thanks--Abhinand1234 (talk) 09:00, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Abhinand1234, ah, that image. There were two other images that were deleted from the page, including the one that went into the infobox. Sorry, I was confused. I've cleaned up the photo. Bgwhite (talk) 17:38, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	thank you sir ... ~~ Abhinand1234 (talk) 03:56, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

DJ ICEMAN.

you proposed a deletion for dj iceman on the grounds that he is not notable.

Digital dj pool AND Crate Connect are credible music pools in the dj community and the fact they they only have a handful of djs that they profile means its a pretty special privilege to be there.
2 million youtube views may not be notable for some,but its plenty notable for others
he is recognized and known by other american djs that are featured in wikipedia such as Rob Swift and Mell Starr
there has been wikipedia pages for far LESS notable djs like the infamous Grandmaster Jay (which has since been deleted because of having false information)

any help in making this page viable and able to be published would be greatly appreciated {{helpme}} thank you

For an article to be include in Wikipedia, it must past the notability guidelines. The guidelines state, "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list." This not about YouTube views (dogs and cats have more views than him), a person held in high esteem by others or other Wikipedia articles.

DJ Iceman, must have independent, reliable references *about* him. Interviews or articles by him are not independent. Record reviews are not about him. Add the required references and he stays. Bgwhite (talk) 20:34, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Irish Mob & K&A Gang "edits" by you

Sir: You seem to be part of a clique who, to advance their own interests, monetary & otherwise, purposely suppress any information which doesn't advance those interests. For instance, relying on newspaper & other articles which were either false on their face, or came to become proven false, or are outdated. You also provide purposely misleading information such as your cite to a long prison sentence which was reversed the following year, yet "editing" out the correct information. Your deletion to my two recent books at the same time the site is asking for references is especially odious. It is also a 1st amendment violation. Your website seems to indicate that all this is something you do as a cottage industry. In my case, you have crossed the line, and then some. Any further so-called "edits" by you which either suppress the insertion of true information and/or perpetuate the provision of false or outdated information, or suppress the insertion of relevant and/or pertinent cites, will be met by me first by a formal complaint to Wikipedia,and then, if necessary (because it's a lot of work), by legal action against you and the rest of your clique. Be guided accordingly! J.C. Berkery — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.52.231.51 (talk) 14:38, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Blocked for legal threats. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 20:37, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

"not how references are done"

Hello,

you left this as a comment on the page I created, but I am confused as to what I did wrong? Wikipedia walked me through the reference citing, and I've viewed many pages done the same way I did them. Any help?

Who are you and what page are you talking about? You need to sign your posts. Bgwhite (talk) 04:35, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

My apologies, this is all very new to me. I am speaking about the page "the celebrity source". you told me to get rid of the "sales pitch" talk, and that I did references wrong. But the page we are modeling after is "commit media", which has some of the same things you flagged me for.

Thank you,

TEAM 77 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Team 77 (talk • contribs) 05:02, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Team 77, that helps. Working on several hundred articles a day, plus a bad memory, equals me being confused alot.

There are two big problems. The "Sample Past Projects" is overly promotional. Refs are not done with a ^[16] and the ref at the end.

For past Past Projects, maybe only use a couple of examples and not do it in a list. The table that lists the examples for Commit Media is unreferenced and should be removed. So, thank you for adding refs.
Refs done your way works well in a journal article, because the article never changes. Wikipedia articles are changing all the time. Instead of using <sup> tags, you need to use <ref> tags. Commit Media uses ref tags in their most basic form. An example in Commit Media is: <ref>http://network.bestfriends.org/initiatives/puppymills/pages/about-the-campaign.aspx</ref> With the ref tags, the Wikimedia software automatically assigns a number and places it in the reference section. An example for The Celebrity Source would be: <ref>{{cite web|title=Incorporation Reference|url=http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/|accessdate=27 May 2014}}</ref>.

Give a yell if you need any other help. Bgwhite (talk) 05:33, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello and Thank you for your help! I think I have corrected my citations, can you have another look please. Thank you for your time! Team 77 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Team 77 (talk • contribs) 06:41, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Team 77, much, much better. Thank you. I made some minor changes, but otherwise, it all looks good. Bgwhite (talk) 07:09, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

RMassist reverted

Hello! I can not understand. Why have you reverted my adding of Template:RMassist from Parchment paper (baking) article. Is "(baking)" disambiguating word needed? --109.54.14.170 (talk) 09:46, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

109.54.14.170 The template does not go into articles. Per the instructions for the template, it belongs on the Wikipedia:Requested moves page. Bgwhite (talk) 07:04, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Beasts of No Nation (film)

Take a look at User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox1 and move it to Beasts of No Nation (film) - Target is just a redirect so please remove it don't leave the redirect. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 10:46, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Please hear me

Bgwhite, please hear me. This list Adolfas Mekas Bibliography are not articles written by Adolfas. He hasn't written any of them. Those which he wrote are under published works on his page. The bibliography page are articles about Adolfas and his films (none written by Adolfas), many of which have been consulted to write his wiki page Adolfas Mekas. I do not understand the problem, especially since I added a further reading since these apparently can't be references. As for more legitimate references, I'm working on that and they'll be up soon. Please let me know if there are any issues with this. Thanks, Hil Steadman

(talk page stalker) Hi Hilsteadman. Part of the confusion may be the name of the bibliography article. Per Wikipedia:WikiProject Bibliographies: A bibliography on a topic such as biology should be named Bibliography of biology. .... Topical bibliographies where the topic is a person should be named: Bibliography of works on John Doe. This eliminates confusion with John Doe bibliography which lists works by John Doe (an author bibliography). Best, Lesser Cartographies (talk) 15:26, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

A small favor

Hi! I am not very practical on en.wikipedia and I don't know how to ask the move of a page. Can you move the page Ciriaco de Mita to Ciriaco De Mita? The surname should be written with the capital letter. Thanks--Maremmano (talk) 21:06, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Maremmano Done. Nice to see you again. I was surprised it had lowercase de as Italian names are usually uppercase. The page was moved in 2004 from uppercase to lowercase. The article does not have an references, could you add some? As always, give me a yell if you need something. Bgwhite (talk) 05:00, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I will certainly insert the sources in the page :) --Maremmano (talk) 22:16, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Ashby (film)

Kindly take a look at User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox14 and move it to Ashby (film) - Thanks. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 00:43, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Assassin, you had two different date formats in the article. As it is an "American" article, do month first. For being a British colony, sure is interesting what is different between the U.S. and England... accent, spelling, date formats, driving on wrong side of the road... Bgwhite (talk) 04:42, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes I know that B, but I only use British format in the references not in the article content, it doesn't matter there. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 05:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Assassin, you should use the same format in the entire article as this is an American article. If you used American format for a British article, you would be slapped silly. One of these days I'll have to research into why the difference. The accent differences is very interesting. If you heard a Brit and American in 1800, they would sound more or less the same. In 1850, they would sound different. The British accent changed due to people emulating a "fad" among the rich. Bgwhite (talk) 05:35, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah that's it I think. You know in India and Pakistan, the English accent also changed to American time by time after Britain leave the India in 1940s. But I sort of like British accent, I think they are talking funny even it's a serious talk :). --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 07:18, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Spanish general election, 1993 Map

Hi, Bgwhite. I copied the code from [[Template:Autonomous communities of Spain|here ++ and modified it to serve the purpose of these maps. While I appreciate your fixings, the size for all of the map's code should be the same. Currently, you put it at 450 for the image in general but left it as 435 for each province/community name, messing up the maps. I've fixed it, already. Cheers. Impru20 (talk) 09:48, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Your tag for Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest

Dear Bgwhite, you tagged the entry for Stevan Harnad for possible Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest. This possibility was already checked by User:Obiwankenobi in June 2013 (see talk page for the entry), with the following conclusion:

Obiwankenobi: Harnad has declared himself and the talk page is appropriately tagged (I updated it to note that he has made edits here.) People can edit their own bio, esp if they are open and disclose who they are, but I think only minor tweaks, removal of blatantly false info, and formatting should be allowed. I'd recommend that major content additions be posted here for review first... --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 05:21, 14 June 2013 (UTC)}}

Earlier DGG had posted this:

DGG: Stevan has from time to time asked me to look at this article, but my only actual involvement is that two years ago, I removed a number of links that I thought unnecessary. I have been associated with him in the past in the open access movement, but I think his extraordinarily important role in that is covered sufficiently in the articles on that subject. I suspect that his work in cognitive science is inadequately covered in the biography, but I am not expert enough to add to it, as, quite frankly, much of it is beyond my understanding. I doubt anyone would say Stevan does not promote his activities and causes, but this article is not one of the places where he does so. DGG ( talk ) 21:09, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Have you found any major content additions. since that date? (If not, perhaps your tag can be removed?) Thanks--Stevan Harnad 19:05, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Harnad, both DGG and Obiwan are two of the very best editors around here. However, that was a year ago and things change. You just added 5 additional refs to a sentence that already had two refs. You have nine refs to state you are on the Board of Directors of Canadian-Hungarian Democratic Charter. That is citation overkill and promotional.... hey look at me and all the things I do. There are blogs and a YouTube talk of yours being used as a refs. This violates that references should be independent and reliable. A year ago the article was fine, but since then it has become promotional and needs to be fixed. Bgwhite (talk) 06:51, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

After trying to get your name right on the ping, could you please use your user name and not your article in your signature. It causes the problem that I just ran into in getting your username right to do a ping. Also doesn't help to click on your signature to goto your talk page. See WP:SIGLINK. Bgwhite (talk) 06:57, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand: What do I need to change to enable the ping. Happy to do it, just not sure what I should do! --Stevan Harnad 19:54, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Libya

Thanks for chiming in on the page. There is a discussion section open if you would like to add to it. I support your changes. Thanks! Dbrodbeck (talk) 20:19, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Please help

Please have a look at this and help if possible, I have no idea who to turn to with this so I'm trying to contact more experienced Wikipedians.

--Samotny Wędrowiec (talk) 22:53, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. (Sorry, I just wanted to bring this to your attention...) (t) Josve05a (c) 10:19, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Josve05a Trying to rub it in are we.... :)

Comments regarding the recent formation article issues

Hey, I'm that guy who's been mass producing stubs on American geologic formations. You recently made some changes across a lot of these articles. Specifically, I'm confused about what template or bit of code I should be using to insert the article name. I was told to use the subst:articlename by another user, but your edits imply there is a problem with this approach, and I'm getting confused about how to proceed.

Also, I'd like to thank you for removing the flag templates. Their usage in geologic formation infoboxes is widespread and I had no idea that this usage conflicts with the manual of style. I'll discontinue in the future.

Lastly, I want to express disagreement with your removal of the Paleobiology Database link as a reference. I get where you're coming from- I would prefer to link directly to the content about the formation, too- but I simply can't adjust every url for every article. I think listing it is preferable to removing it because the reference reassures the reader that the information is drawn from an accurate source and allows them to verify the article's contents even though it would require them to take the extra step of searching for the formation manually in the database. I would like to continue listing the Paleobiology Database as a reference in future articles. If you still feel strongly about removing such a link, let me know. Abyssal (talk) 16:29, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Abyssal, I'm confused too when it come to this. @Redrose64: is the expert. Redrose, how do you avoid this when creating articles via a script.

I find it interesting how flags can be a really big source of irritation for some editors. Is it doable to go back to the articles and add the specific reference in instead of the general one? By doable, I mean not a big time sink. This caught my attention because I had just come across several articles that listed a general page for finding prison inmates. Problem being, the page only looked up info via the inmates number, which wan't present in the article. This type of scenario isn't present in your articles, but it would be nice for the reader not to go on a pseudo-hunt. Bgwhite (talk) 21:37, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

It's exactly the same problem that I commented on here. You need to use all capitals for the bit after the colon, i.e. {{subst:PAGENAME}} otherwise you get {{subst:pagename}} which is a very different beast. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:11, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Love you. Hafspajen (talk) 00:05, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Sicario (film)

Please take a look at User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox1 and move it to Sicario (film) - Thanks. The target article is just a redirect so remove it first. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 12:40, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Restoring

Thanks for that restoration of LGBT topics and Hinduism's content, I had read your section[20] I don't know this user, but lets talk about content, it is correct that there are Hindu temples depicting the homosexual relationships of men and women, they also depict the evolution of human, civilization, etc. These temples are not enforcement but they provide idea about the types and history of human. There is no line or even 3 words in all Hindu scriptures that would reject LGBT, and there are more genders in the world than they are officially recognized. You can just say "Removal of sourced content, seek consensus from concerned members", because no one can remove sourced(RS) content at any cost. You should keep Religion and homosexuality to your watchlist, because those who couldn't push their fabrication on LGBT and Hinduism, they ruin this other page. Bladesmulti (talk) 04:31, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Bladesmulti, my problem is I know next to nothing on Hinduism and I don't edit LGBT pages. Well, I actually don't edit any topic right now. I just go around and fix things. I tend to fix India related articles a bit more because, well, they attract more vandals and horrible, but good intentioned editors than other areas right now. As it appears you know this subject better than I, could you take a look at LGBT history of India. The same user deleted alot from the article, including some of the exact same text found in LGBT topics and Hinduism. Bgwhite (talk) 06:11, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Sitush and Tito, can you help? Bgwhite (talk) 09:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Not really my scene. Redtigerxyz is very knowledgeable about Hinduism-related subjects. - Sitush (talk) 16:37, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Though I have experience with LGBT themes in Hindu mythology, I have hardly dealt with the article in question. I will take a look tomorrow and check if I can help. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 17:56, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Dear all, I have made some changes in the article and not all earlier removals of content were justified, the article needs to be rewritten to get rid of copyvio (some of it I have removed) and OR by interpreting primary sources, which still exists in the article. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 13:16, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Redtigerxyz Bgwhite (talk) 21:46, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Quincy Troupe

Thanks for your two copy edits at the top but everything else was pretty censorious. Okay, it's in a CV style, but rather than take all that material out, did you consider changing the objectionable content to paragraph form before completely deleting it?--Aichik (talk) 18:38, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Aichik, don't ever use the stop icon on a person's talk page like that. It is offensive.

It was an unreferenced list of every academic position taken. This isn't done even for longtime PhDs at Harvard in list or paragraph form. Other stuff was either unreferenced, CV or promotional. "... he became a celebrity in the academic world, winning an American Book Award for 1989's ". "minor celebrity" is peacock. The award was unreferenced.

Your revert also removed fixes for a broken quote, converting html into wikicode and fixing the entire "On June 11 2002, Troupe was appointed]California's first poet..." paragraph. Bgwhite (talk) 19:48, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--Aichik (talk) 20:17, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Aichik, well that was totally uncalled for. You don't like my response, so you take it to ANI, call me edit warring and level I'm not editing in good faith. Per WP:BURDEN, "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material..." (emphasis not mine) Bgwhite (talk) 20:45, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Bgwhite. You have new messages at DandYansUrbAdventure's talk page.
Message added 04:59, 8 July 2014 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

♥ Solarra ♥ ^{♪ 話 ♪} ߷ _{♀ 投稿 ♀} 04:59, 8 July 2014 (UTC)