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The Signpost: 13 September 2010

Public policy mentor

Hi Bejinhan,

My name is Anjan Gupta, I go to Lehigh University and I was hoping that you could be my mentor for this course: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_Public_Policy/Courses/Seminar_in_Intervention#Anjan_Gupta

Thank you,

Anjan —Preceding unsigned comment added by IR393Anjan (talk • contribs) 11:57, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I am in the same class as Anjan and also hope that you could be my mentor this semester. - Tim IR393davis (talk) 23:43, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Help me template

Benjinhan: The idea was to add the 'help me' template to the course page. But as you see I not only did not transfer the links successfully, I generated a warning message. Help/advice appreciated.

Thanks re ambassadors. Would you be willing to serve as mentor to some students?

Thanks.Ck07 (talk) 13:44, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Benjinhan: Re that help template, I am now getting IE errors when I try to move it. Dunno why.

I very much appreciate your willingness to help the students and the editing help on the course page but, I am sorry to say, not all of the edits have been helpful, e.g. replacing an actual page name with simply 'this page,' in effect substracting information from something I was trying to communicate to the students. Please keep in mind that this is a course guide, not an encyclopedia entry. Thanks.--Ck07 (talk) 15:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks :)

Book:Roses

Take a look. It was your idea after all. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 11:21, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Hahaha, I never thought you would take me seriously on that. ;) Bejinhan talks 12:09, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

The Signpost: 20 September 2010

Wikipedia:Pending changes/Straw poll on interim usage

Hi. As you recently commented in the straw poll regarding the ongoing usage and trial of Pending changes, this is to notify you that there is an interim straw poll with regard to keeping the tool switched on or switching it off while improvements are worked on and due for release on November 9, 2010. This new poll is only in regard to this issue and sets no precedent for any future usage. Your input on this issue is greatly appreciated. Off2riorob (talk) 23:28, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Butterfly (Mariah Carey album)

Hi Bejinhan. I found you through the volunteer page, and have come to ask for your assistance. So I have recently significantly improved/expanded this article, but found that it also has been working against me. I found after working so much on the same subject, I don't realize sometimes how weirdly something is written etc. I would like to nominate the page for FA, so it needs to be perfect. I think I've done a good job, and I'd say the only issue is some MOS issues, and writing and sentencing (it's not so bad dw :)) So please, can you proof-read it from a "third party" point of view, and help refine its writing? Thanks so much Bejinhan, and I hope you can help in the matter. Thanks! :D--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 02:15, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Sure, do you have a dateline for it? Bejinhan talks 10:35, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Thank you! :)--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 03:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

John Hunyadi

I had just added a reference to this article and you deleted it. Why? It was just a reference (you said, good-faith edit)Fakirbakir (talk) 11:27, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, my bad. I misread it and thought that it was an improper addition. For an explanation of good-faith edits, please read WP:AGF. Also, please use Template:Cite web to insert in your references in future. Another editor has already accepted your change. Bejinhan talks 11:33, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Graham Hawkes

-- Cirt (talk) 18:04, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Riegeldale Tavern

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Help regarding Copy Editing...

Hello, i want your help regarding the copy editing, general fixes and grammatical mistakes in the following articles related to Meteorology.

Waiting for your reply. Regards...


Nabil rais2008 (talk) 15:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I can copy-edit it. However, I have already agreed to copy-edit another article so I'll probably get down to these two articles once I've more or less completed the other one. Would that be okay with you? Bejinhan talks 10:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 27 September 2010

Malaysia article

Hey, I'm about done with all I can think of on Malaysia. Is there anything which you feel is missing desperately from the article which could be placed there? I think Culture could use more sections, but I don't see that as an immediate priority, it shouldn't stop it reaching GA or A status in my opinion. Maybe one day though, Lat will make his appearance on the main article, under some sort of literature section. I noticed that Lat is almost a FA, very nice. Anyway, as you posted the last review, any comments you have should be useful.

I'd also like to apologize if I came off as brusque or insulting in any of my comments/edit summaries etc. I never meant to offend anyone. I'd also like to commend your work on the Malaysian wikiproject, been surfing through it, must be frustrating to make all those posts and receive no response, and to have such limited participation! Chipmunkdavis (talk) 13:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey, thank you so much for your work on that article. It looks much better than before. For it to reach GA, I think we've got to deal with the citation needed tags first. The 'Natural resources' section is just full with them. When I got the article peer reviewed, I was told that the refs have got to be in placed first before it could go for GAN. I'll try to do more sourcing for some of the CN tags.
I actually did not noticed much of your edit summaries and wasn't offended by any of your comments. :) Thank you! I think the project is much livelier than it was before, although I'm not very satisfied with that yet. If you can contribute in any of the "administrative" tasks involved in running the project, please do! Again, thank you for all the work you put in the Malaysia article. Cheers, Bejinhan talks 13:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Well, I came to the article and thought that this was an article which I knew something about. Unfortunately I'm not a big fan of anything to do with the economy :p If anyone goes through the edit history they'll notice I left economy till last. I've done some searching for the natural resource section, and can't find sources that say exactly what is in the article, so if worst comes to worst it can either be removed from the article (although through hiding, so it could still be worked on) or rewritten completely in line with whatever sources can be found. As for the citation tag in the science and technology section, I honestly have used all my Boolean skills and not found any websites about that. If you find anything, please, but I think that unlike natural resources that is a statement that can't be rewritten, and will probably have to be deleted. Additionally, I turned up some deadlinks, so I'll have to look into those later.
I'm hesitant to get fully involved in any wikiprojects right now, but if there's anything you need doing and can't find time to do yourself, drop me a message, I'll see if I have time. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 14:11, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Haha, okay. When I first started working on it, it was horribly unreferenced and I was having a headache finding references. It looks way better now. I tried to do some googling but couldn't find any refs for certain of the statements. Like you said, these statements would probably have to be deleted if we can't find any refs. Bejinhan talks 04:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to Assessment with Wikiproject: U.S. public policy

Thank you for assessing with the PPI, assessing with this project will probably be different than assessing with other projects in Wikipedia. It's different because the many of the articles are stub, start, or C class, and we are not working to assess long lists of articles, but will have multiple reviewers assessing the same set of articles. We are looking for Wikipedians who want to take a more in depth look at assessment and help define what is article quality. Please go to the WP:USPP Assessment page to find more details and your assessment page with the first group of articles for you to evaluate. Thanks and happy editing, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 21:48, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Bejinhan, thank you for assessing articles in the Wikiproject: United States Public Policy, you were really quick - i appreciate it. This project is probably different than other assessment drives you have worked on, it involves more assessment of lower ranked articles, it has input and staff from the foundation, and specific goals to improve and measure content of public policy articles. It also involves collaboration from some university classes, we are using an experimental assessment rubric, and most articles will be assessed by multiple reviewers to get a range of scores for each article. I have learned a lot from many of the assessors comments and am really excited about the insight from this group of Wikipedians. I hope you are finding some benefits to involvement in this project. 1) your assessments are part of research that is attempting to increase credibility of Wikipedia in academic circles, 2) there is a great group of assessors involved in discussion of what is article quality and how to measure it, 3) WP:USPP is also piloting the Article Feedback tool, so if interested, those involved in assessment on the project will be asked to help improve and rate this tool as well, and 4) subject matter experts are assessing articles alongside Wikipedians and comparisons of results will provide some insight as to the rigor of Wikipedia quality rating.
To give you an update on assessment, about half of the assessments are complete for the first part of this first assessment. I had some trouble finding public policy experts to join us in assessing, but finally managed to recruit a group last week, hopefully some of them will join the discussion on the assessment talk page. Next week, I should have some preliminary results to share with you, I will also post the second assessment request very soon. The discussion on the talk page is very exciting, and I hope if you are interested, you will provide input on the Article Feedback Tool which is being piloted on articles in WP:USPP. Please let me know if there is anything I and the project team can do to make working on this project a more positive experience. Thanks again, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 00:02, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 September newsletter

We are half-way through our final round, entering the home straight. New Orleans TonyTheTiger (submissions) leads at the time of writing with 1180 points, immediately followed by Hungary Sasata (submissions) with 1175 points. Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) closely follows in third place with 1100 points. For those who are interested, data about the finalists has been compiled at Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/finalists, while a list of content submitted by all WikiCup contestants prior to this round has been compiled at Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Submissions. As ever, anything contestants worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

Despite controversy, the WikiCup remains open. Signups for next year's competition are more than welcome, and suggestions for how next year's competition will work are appreciated at Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Scoring. More general comments and discussions should be directed at the WikiCup talk page. One month remains in the 2010 WikiCup, after which we will know our champion. Good luck everyone! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 23:01, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Idea for your Malaysia draft

Why not create a custom Malaysia barnstar? Be much more reflective on peoples work. Could be based off something like these.

Be nice to get a unique one though, maybe a Malaysian flag with the 14point star replaced with a barnstar or something. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 03:24, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for looking through the draft. Yeah, that was why I left a comment of the draft page about it(in the 'Awards' section). I have a sorta rough idea of how it could be like. My only disadvantage is that I don't do photo editing and the like. If there are no disagreements about it, I think I'll leave a note about it in the graphics request page. Hopefully someone will be able to do it. :) Bejinhan talks 03:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
If you like, do a really rough draft, or just describe what you would like, and I'll knock it up for you - graphics and design being my "thing".  Begoon•talk 11:34, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the offer! :) I was thinking that it could be either a barnstar with the colors of the Malaysian flag or a Malaysian flag in the shape of a star. Which do you think is better? Bejinhan talks 10:08, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
I actually quite like the "Australian medal" above for style, but if you want just the star then I could "creatively" use the colours to create the star alone - maybe blue borders, yellow 14 point barnstar, with red/white fill, topped by the crescent in yellow. I think a 14 point barnstar could be quite distinctive.  Begoon•talk 13:05, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
I've not very creative, so please go ahead with whatever you think will be best. :) Bejinhan talks 11:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I found this lying around in wikipedia. Thoughts on it?

:O Where has this barnstar been all the time?! I think it's pretty good and can be used. Begoon, what do you think about it? Bejinhan talks 13:51, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Malaysia October 2010 newsletter

DYK review

Hi, I was wondering if you could do a quick DYK review for hook, date, and length at Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created.2Fexpanded_on_September_30 for Carlos Celdran? I moved his article to mainspace on Sept. 30. Thanks in advance! ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 21:22, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Noting [1] [2] [3].
Sorry, Noraft, but this is a bit too much of WP:CANVASS for my comfort; the best way to speed up the DYK review process it to review the suggestions of other editors.
Given the nature of this request, I'm posting this response on all three user pages.
It is probably best to keep replies in one place; I humbly suggest User_talk:Chzz#Quick DYK review? Chzz  ►  01:43, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Request withdrawn. Thanks anyway! ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 02:27, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 4 October 2010

Explanation given

WP:BLANKING, a rule, states Policy does not prohibit users, whether registered or anonymous users, from removing comments from their own talk pages, Even if s/he is a sockpuppeter s/he is not removing neither of those:

{{Noindex}} added to user pages and subpages under this guideline (except with agreement or by consensus). Note this can safely be removed from talk pages and subpages where it has no effect.

Yes I checked the history of the page, and the user, blocked or not, sockpuppeteer or no, he did not violate the rules above. TbhotchTalk C. 17:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the main reason why I asked for that explanation is because I'm wondering how you came across that page, since the change wouldn't be in 'Recent changes' as it had been done some time prior to your reverting. Hm? Bejinhan talks 00:32, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
If you are thinking in this? No. As simple as this. TbhotchTalk C. 01:22, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
No, I was thinking more along the lines of this. I'm very wary of that user and I think he can do anything possible, even that. Anyway, thanks for the explanation. Bejinhan talks 02:23, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Action of 25 April 1898

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:04, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

your template is having some problems

  • On User talk:Hcookeecs, My name (Ling.Nut, not Bejinhan) shows up as the person who placed the template, at least when I am viewing it, because you used "revisionuser". That's obviously wrong. You can feel very free to go back through my contibs and edit the template. Personally, I would suggest that you simply retire that template and use the good ol' stand-bys such as {{welcomeh}}. But to each his own. • Ling.Nut 02:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I don't really understand the intricacies of templates... how do I use "revisionuser"? Perhaps you might want to leave your suggestion here so that they can be aware of it? A number of ambassadors are using it, and it works fine. Bejinhan talks 02:16, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Apparently it does not work fine; in fact, it's quite hosed. But I thought it was yours. I was mistaken. I'll leave a message elsewhere. • Ling.Nut 02:31, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

PPI Assessment Update

Thanks for contributing to WP:USPP, your assessments are a part of a deeper look at assessing article quality in Wikipedia. The quality and rationality behind the assessment scores by the Wikpedians on this project is really impressive, it is an insightful and knowledgeable group. There is some information about preliminary results of assessment data on the project assessment talk page, I hope you check it out and add your thoughts. There is also an additional article assessment request for you. This assessment set will wrap up the first experiment which analyzes the consistency of the quantitative metric and compares subject matter expert assessment to Wikipedian assessment.

The second experiment will start in November and you will be asked to assess articles and also provide feedback on the Article Feedback Tool. The results of that experiment will compare your idea of article quality to the ranking from the Article Feedback Tool and your input will help improve that tool. I hope you enjoy being a part of this research, I am pretty excited about the results so far, and am looking forward to continuing to work with you on assessment. ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 21:46, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Happy 10/10/10

Double Ten Day is, really, unrelated—but we don't appear to have a cool pic for this one

I suppose I should've timed this message at 10:10:10 too, but frankly, I can't be arsed. You know how it is.

Did you know... that tenten in Japaense writing are a little wiggly thing, a bit like a quotation-mark, which makes e.g. "ka" (か) into "ga" (が) or "fu" (ふ) into "bu" (ぶ) ?

So, take time out to have a bit of a giggle.

All the best, and 10-10 'till we do it again.  Chzz  ►  08:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 11 October 2010

WP:USPP thanks you!

Bejinhan, thank you for contributing to article assessment for WP:USPP. Your assessments are very appreciated. There will be weekly updates about the research for this project posted here, look for the first one tomorrow. The next assessment request will come in early November. There is a lot of expertise and discussion about article quality happening in the project, so stay tuned. ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 01:14, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Request for Mentor

I am a graduate student at IU in Public Administration. I'm interested in working on economic development issues as I am currently enrolled in an urban economic development class. I would like to request you to be my mentor throughout this semester. Thank you SPEAV622Fall2010 (talk) 19:58, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

GOCE copy edit drive

Greetings, the Wikipedia Guild of Copy-Editors invites you to participate in the November 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive, a month-long effort to reduce the backlog of articles that require copy-editing. The drive will begin on 1 November at 00:00 (UTC) and will end on 30 November at 23:59 (UTC). The goal for this drive is to reduce the backlog by 10% (approximately 500 articles). We hope to focus our efforts on the oldest three months (January, February, and March 2009) and the newest three months (September, October, and November 2010) of articles in the queue.

Sign-up has already begun at the November drive page, and will be open throughout the drive. If you have any questions or concerns, please leave a message on the drive's talk page.

Before you begin copy-editing, please carefully read the instructions on the main drive page. Please make sure that you know how to copy-edit, and be familiar with the Wikipedia Manual of Style.

Awards and barnstars

A range of barnstars will be awarded to active participants, some of which are exclusive to GOCE drives. More information on awards can be found on the main drive page.

Thank you; we look forward to meeting you on the drive!
— The UtahraptorTalk to me/Contributions, S Masters (talk), and Diannaa (Talk)

The Signpost: 18 October 2010

Request for Mentor

Thank you for agreeing to be my mentor. I do not currently have any questions, but I am sure I will in the future! Thank you! SPEAV622Fall2010 (talk) 13:37, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

ANI

Hi,
On ANI you comment "Being brought to AN/I and receiving various warnings doesn't seem enough. " Enough for what? What do you think this would achieve that isn't happening already? Rich Farmbrough, 23:58, 21 October 2010 (UTC).

What I meant was that it wasn't enough for you to stop making disruptive edits. You were just recently brought to AN/I and we would have thought that that AN/I case was sufficient to stop you from making further controversial edits without consultation with the community. I believe that you do have good and sincere intentions behind most of your edits, but you needing multiple warning within a short period is overstretching the limit. Bejinhan talks 02:48, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Oh - well I understand that. I was taken to ANI the first time because I cleared my talk page - strictly against protocol I know, but really not a big deal, anyone could have brought a thread back from the archive if they wanted to or started a new one, and certain editors were spamming the threads. So - clear talk page, 30 minutes later ANI, 8 minutes after that I'm blocked - no time to comment on ANI, which bloats for the two days afterwards until I am unblocked. This time an editor reverted 15 template edits then a while later stuck me on ANI. Did not try to discuss the template edits with me. Did not inform me that he had reverted me - I could have carried on doing what he was objecting too, not knowing he objected. Does that make me the bad boy of Wikipedia? You might also like to compare my block record with that of the editor proposing the ban on - well pretty much everything I think. Rich Farmbrough, 03:01, 22 October 2010 (UTC).
Thanks for that explanation. Like I said, I do believe that you have good intentions, but you not wanting to answer calls for explanation leaves a lot to be desired. That being said, regarding Roux's bloc history, two wrongs do not make a right. Bejinhan talks 03:25, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
No need to copy to my talk page. Yes that is true. But one of the things that is interesting about being "taken to ANI" is who jumps into the fray (I beleive it is reasonable to call it such). Two of the editors on the previous ANI that I spent a considerable time replying to turned out to be currently blocked or just unblocked. Roux, one would assume from his "This has to stop!" invective, has been on my talk page many times, pleading, nay begging, me to resolve bugs. Not so, he has communicated with me via my talk page precisely once, in July 2009, reporting a valid bug which was resolved in short order. Similarly other editors seem to have picked up the idea that I am doing "bad stuff" second hand, and agree that it "must stop" so are !voting for that. This is of course really tedious but I have decided I either give up and walk away, or I have to challenge these items of hearsay, and assumption. So it is not to be a pain in the neck, but because it seems unreasonable to have editing restrictions imposed under mistaken grounds. In particular, you say I'm "not wanting to answer calls for explanation". I'm sure the ANI thread gives that impression, but I just did a tally and I have posted nearly a megabyte of text to discussion pages since the start of the first ANI. You are invited to review the previous ANI (which petered out since there was nothing to say or do), my talk page, the October talk archive, my BRFAs and see if you still think I am reluctant to explain things. Rich Farmbrough, 03:46, 22 October 2010 (UTC).
Well then, I suggest that you reply to this in the AN/I. Personally, I wouldn't make any decisions right now based on this, but I might change my mind later. I still need to think over this. Your explanations to me has helped but your refusal to answer any "accusations" in the AN/I hasn't helped.at.all. Bejinhan talks 04:23, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for taking the time to read all this. Rich Farmbrough, 20:24, 22 October 2010 (UTC).

Talkback: SpikeToronto

Hello, Bejinhan. You have new messages at SpikeToronto's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

— SpikeToronto 19:07, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

How's your Online Ambassador experience going so far?

Hi Bejinhan/Archive 5,

We're starting to get into the busy part of the semester for Online Ambassadors, and we want to check in and see how you're doing, what your opinions about where we are now, and any feedback you may have.

Please answer these questions either on my talk page or send them to me by email.

1. How many mentees are you currently working with?

2. Have you reached out to students who don't have mentors yet? If not, would you be willing to?

3. What do you think of the content of messages on the Google Group?

4. What do you think of the volume of messages on the Google Group?

5. Do you participate on the Google Group much? If not, what would make you participate more?

6. Are there any problems you've experienced so far?

7. Is there anything else Sage or the rest of the Public Policy Initiative team could do to make your experience as an Online Ambassador better?

8. Are you okay sharing your username with your answers to our Public Policy Initiative team, or would you prefer to remain anonymous?

Thanks for your feedback! --Ldavis (Public Policy) (talk) 19:31, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/The Thing That Should Not Be 2

I agree entirely with your remark about the hounding (and I'm in the "oppose" camp). That kind of behavior is really distasteful, but my remark on it was rebuffed. So be it, I guess, since there is little more than one can do but ask politely, but I feel really bad for the candidate. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:15, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

And so was my remark. Yes, but at least we've done our part in that we spoke out about it. I think a harsher word for hounding would be harassing and I would love to use it for this case. You're welcome. Bejinhan talks 10:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Spike

Just re. ACC for SpikeTorontoRCP (talk · contribs) - SpikeToronto confirmed so Willking1979 broke the reservation and I made the a/c.

All good; cheers  Chzz  ►  01:47, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Chzz. Bejinhan talks 10:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Siege of Badajoz (1658)

The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 25 October 2010

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2010 ArbCom election voting procedure

You are invited to participate in the Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2010 ArbCom election voting procedure which is expected to close in a little over a week. If you have received this message, it is because it appears that you participated in the 2009 AC RfC, and your contributions indicate that you are currently active on Wikipedia. Ncmvocalist (talk) 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Malaysia questions

Couple of questions on the article.

-There's a reference to <ref>Ninth Schedule. Constitution of Malaysia.</ref>, this may be a stupid question, but what is that?

-Do you know what to do with the Japan photo? I don't know enough about images and the wikilaws surrounding them. I found the original source though, its hidden noted on the page.

-Lastly, do you know where the largest cities table is from?

Thanks. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 08:13, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I found another source for population size, so that's okay I guess. It is different from the previous list, so I'm still wondering what the original was from. Of course, if you have a better source, from the Malaysian Government or something, that'd be better. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 10:09, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
The Constitution of Malaysia is divided into various Parts and Schedules. Here is the list with the brief info.
Japanese photo - Remove it? It's not very good, IMO. Maybe there is a better one...? My internet is very crappy now... I'll try to search for one later.
I think that template was copied and pasted. There is no link to the template page for that specific list.
I saw the list of places of interests and tourist attractions. What do you think of it?
For the stats, would this work?
Bejinhan talks 03:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks LingNut. Yeah, the Malaysian government has yet to run their every decade census that they last took in 2000...sigh. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 13:40, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

So, "Merdeka", should that translate to "Freedom" or "Liberty"? I've heard both used before.

I think the list will need to go, but I don't want to bite the new user. Perhaps asking him to move it himself to the Tourism main page? Chipmunkdavis (talk) 01:26, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Merdeka means "independence".
WP:BEBOLD :) The list doesn't fit into the article and is the new user active?
Bejinhan talks 10:51, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Well, the list doesn't irreparably harm the article either. If the user decides to be active, that's good. I'll give it time anyway, the whole lead to culture needs to be redone somehow. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 11:29, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
It's moved now. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 04:10, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 October newsletter

The 2010 WikiCup is over! It has been a long journey, but what has been achieved is impressive: combined, participants have produced over seventy featured articles, over five hundred good articles, over fifty featured lists, over one thousand one hundred "did you know" entries, in addition to various other pieces of recognised content. A full list (which has yet to be updated to reflect the scores in the final round) can be found here. Perhaps more importantly, we have our winner! The 2010 WikiCup champion is Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions), with an unbelievable 4220 points in the final round. Second place goes to New Orleans TonyTheTiger (submissions), with 2260, and third to New South Wales Casliber (submissions), with 560. Congratulations to our other four finalists – White Shadows (submissions), William S. Saturn (submissions), Connecticut Staxringold (submissions) and Colombia ThinkBlue (submissions). Also, congratulations to Hungary Sasata (submissions), who withdrew from the competition with an impressive 2685 points earlier in this round.

Prizes will also be going to those who claimed the most points for different types of content in a single round. It was decided that the prizes would be awarded for those with the highest in a round, rather than overall, so that the finalists did not have an unfair advantage. Winning the featured article prize is New South Wales Casliber (submissions), for five featured articles in round 4. Winning the good article prize is Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions), for eighty-one good articles in round 5. Winning the featured list prize is Connecticut Staxringold (submissions), for six featured lists in round 1. Winning the picture and sound award is Jujutacular (submissions), for four featured pictures in round 3. Winning the topic award is Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions), for forty-seven articles in various good topics in round 5. Winning the "did you know" award is New Orleans TonyTheTiger (submissions), for over one hundred did you knows is round 5. Finally, winning the in the news award is Republic of Ireland Candlewicke (submissions), for nineteen articles in the news in round three.

The WikiCup has faced criticism in the last month – hopefully, we will take something positive from it and create a better contest for next year. Like Wikipedia itself, the Cup is a work in progress, and ideas for how it should work are more than welcome on the WikiCup talk page and on the scoring talk page. Also, people are more than welcome to sign up for next year's competition on the signup page. Well done and thank you to everyone involved – the Cup has been a pleasure to run, and we, as judges, have been proud to be a part of it. We hope that next year, however the Cup is working, and whoever is running it, it will be back, stronger and more popular than ever. Until then, goodbye and happy editing! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 03:01, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 Ribbon of Participation

The WikiCup 2010 Ribbon of Participation
Awarded to Bejinhan, for participation in the 2010 WikiCup. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 08:55, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 1 November 2010

It's raining thanks spam!

  • Please pardon the intrusion. This tin of thanks spam is offered to everyone who commented or !voted (Support, Oppose or Neutral) on my recent RfA. I appreciate the fact that you care enough about the encyclopedia and its community to participate in this forum.
  • There are a host of processes that further need community support, including content review (WP:GAN, WP:PR, WP:FAC, and WP:FAR). You can also consider becoming a Wikipedia Ambassador. If you have the requisite experience and knowledge, consider running for admin yourself!
  • If you have any further comments, input or questions, please do feel free to drop a line to me on my talk page. I am open to all discussion. Thanks • Ling.Nut (talk) 02:16, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Next WP:USPP assessment

Hi Bejinhan/Archive 5! Since Amy Roth's out on maternity leave, I'm pushing out the next round of assessments she needs. This time, we're comparing your assessment to readers' assessments. And instead of us assigning you articles, we're letting you pick! The full list of topics is on a subpage of the Assessment tab on our WikiProject. Please choose 10 of the articles to assess. Use the link in the section title to go to the appropriate version of the article.

Thanks for all your help! Please let me know if you have any questions! --Ldavis (Public Policy) (talk) 21:58, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 8 November 2010

November 2010 backlog elimination drive update

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors Backlog Elimination Drive!
GOCE November 2010 backlog elimination drive progress graphs

We have reached the midway point in our backlog elimination drive, so here is an update.

Participation report — The November drive has 53 participants at this point. We had 77 participants in the September drive. In July, 95 people signed up for the drive, and in May we had 36. If you are not participating, it is not too late to join!

Progress report — The drive is quite successful so far, as we have already almost reached our target of a 10% reduction in the number of articles in the backlog. We are doing very well at keeping our Requests page clear, as those articles count double for word count for this drive.

Please keep in mind the possibility of removing other tags when you are finished with an article. If the article no longer needs {{cleanup}}, {{wikify}}, or other similar maintenance tags, please remove them, as this will make the tasks of other WikiProjects easier to complete. Thanks very much for participating in the Drive, and see you at the finish line!


Your drive coordinators –The UtahraptorTalk to me/Contributions, S Masters (talk), and Diannaa (Talk)

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The Signpost: 15 November 2010


Your GA nomination of The Deep End (TV series)

Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know I am glad to be reviewing the article The Deep End (TV series) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Viriditas (talk) 07:48, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Although I will confine my comments to the review, it isn't clear if you took on board some of the more important recommendations from the second reviewer in the previous peer review. Just wanted to give you a heads up on this. Viriditas (talk) 08:29, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Hello, thanks for taking up the GA-article review. I'll be looking forward to its completion. =)
Yes, however, after talking to various editors, I have been advised to leave it. For several reasons... Firstly, I have insufficient sources to create a plot section. Secondly, there is a difference between FOX network and 20th Century Fox Television. Thirdly, it won't do to remove the 2nd paragraph of the 'Production' section since the lede is supposed to be based on what's in the article, and since I opted for the no-references lede, that section contains the references and those references are needed. Fourthly, the 'Reception' section contains a list of all the tv shows that resembled The Deep End and is crucial because ideas seemed to be taken from them. Thanks for the heads-up. I have seen the comments. Bejinhan talks 10:48, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
I've found a lot of sources you aren't using in the article; these sources can be used to expand it. Have you done a thorough search for sources, including databases accessible from a library? As for the rest, I'll address your answers in the review tomorrow. Viriditas (talk) 11:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Honestly, I've did many searches in Google, using a variety of keywords. And about library databases, I do not live in an area where the library offers such opportunities. I can only do searches in google or other search engines. No databases whatsoever. Bejinhan talks 12:15, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
I can send you sources by e-mail if you like. Viriditas (talk) 12:21, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Please! I would really appreciate that! Bejinhan talks 12:25, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Ok, but I'm about to go to sleep, so it will have to wait for a while. Check my contribs to see my latest comments in the review. Also, The New York Times mentions that there was an interview with Billy Zane about the show on Good Morning America on or around Jan. 21, 2010 at 7am. It's possible you might be able to Google for a transcript. Viriditas (talk) 12:31, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Ok, will be waiting for it. I did not find the transcript but managed to get a few other sources. I'll continue working on the article tomorrow and hopefully, will be able to get 1 or 2 more pics. in. Quite a number of the sources contained many criticism of the show so I'm unsure if I should include that in. If I do, since there are quite a bit of it, there has to be another section for it. Bejinhan talks 13:34, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Here's what I'm going to do: I'll add the online sources I find to a "further reading" section, and if I have time, I'll highlight things about them in the review. If I find electronic copies in the database archives but no online copy, I'll e-mail you, which I already plan on doing for several. My schedule is a bit erratic, so I may be online or offline at the drop of a hat. Viriditas (talk) 20:12, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I received your emails. What are your suggestions for the pictures? I've added the cast pictures that are available in commons. I couldn't find an appropriate picture of las collinas as they either did not give a good view or were of a building. Same here, but I'll do my best to wrap it all up by this coming week. Bejinhan talks 12:20, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
I have more sources to send you. What kind of photo of Las Collinas are you looking for? Flickr has a bunch that would fit I think, and they are free to use (the ones I'm talking about, there are other non-free pics). Also, the other concern is that we still have six ABC links in the article that are either dead or deleted. Can you try to replace them with other links? If you can't, let me know and I'll try to help. Since those links are no longer working or archived, they aren't really verifiable, and this presents a problem. Viriditas (talk) 18:44, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Ok, thank you. I was thinking of either Las Collinas or a soundstage. Yes, about those links. I've tried Hulu and it did not have any of the characters bio. There are some websites with it, but the info given is only partial and lacks what is needed for it to be used as a ref. I've tried searching for it in internet archives but was not successful. If worse comes to worst, I think I'll remove those links and replace the content with more descriptions from the various websites already cited. Also about the few websites used to cite the ratings. Are you subscribed to Variety.com? At this point of time, is it ok to request for someone to ce the 'Cast and Characters' section? Bejinhan talks 12:13, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I'll try to get to the copyedit tomorrow. I really want to see this article pass, but I can't really pass it with 11 dead links, can I? If it is at all possible to replace the dead links with active ones, or even print sources (online or off), that would help. On the other hand, this might be a good opportunity to think outside the box. In other words, you could try to restructure and salvage only the sourced content, and remove the rest. What do you think? Let's get this thing done! Viriditas (talk) 13:00, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I understand. I have been trying to look for replacement links, hopefully will be able to find some. I do not have access to offline entertainment sources here. That was what I mean, removing the info that is using references from ABC and keeping the rest. Thanks for the encouragement! =) I'll be taking a look at the link you placed in the 'Further reading' section and will work on it asap. That said, I might not have good internet connection over the next few days so I might or might not be able to edit the article. Bejinhan talks 05:50, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

No worries. I'll try and copyedit in the next few hours. I'll be happy when we can pass this thing. Viriditas (talk) 06:22, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
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