User talk:Beavinlake
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[edit]Hello, Beavinlake, and welcome to Wikipedia! My name is Shalor and I work with the Wiki Education Foundation; I help support students who are editing as part of a class assignment.
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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:26, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi, I have some notes on your draft:
- The talks and interviews section, as well as the one on the other activities section are a bit too much of indiscriminate information as far as Wikipedia is concerned. The reason for this is that it's generally accepted that a notable person will speak within their field and give interviews, so there's no need to highlight these specific talks unless they're particularly noteworthy. If they are, they should be mentioned in the career or history section.
- Be careful of too much information as a whole. With this I'm looking at the research section and the parts about her family. The family should only be mentioned as it applies to Keynes and even then, only if they're immediate family for the most part. You also want to make sure that the sourcing explicitly states that they're related and that the sources are reliable, as information on living people is going to be under more scrutiny than in an article on a deceased person.
- Part of the other issue with going into a lot of detail about a person's family is that you want to avoid name dropping and coming across like we're trying to promote her via a pedigree. I'm making this a separate bullet point because I want to emphasize this since I note that some of the sources in the section don't mention Soumaya Keynes at all. For example, the Baha’i Faith book doesn't mention her, nor does it give sufficient information to where we could reasonably associate the two together. This would make the claims it supports original research. I would stick to really only mentioning family or family elements that she has specifically highlighted as important.
- Also, there's no need to go into more depth about a given person if they already have an article. In the case of her father, his article would likely have information about his brothers and father (or should, anyway) so there's no need to restate all of her lineage here. The norm is for the parent article to have this information for the most part, since otherwise it runs the risk of turning into the section into a large family tree sort of setup.
- Be very, very careful of tone. I'm concerned that this comes across as a CV or promotional content for Keynes. Statements like "Soumaya Keynes is the most recent generation in the Keynes family, a family with many scholars." are seen as "puffery", things that are added to make a person or topic seem more enticing to the reader. I know that this wasn't done intentionally, but it's important to keep an eye out for this and try to be as neutral as possible. To that end you want to avoid subjective and opinion/judgement statements like "well-known", as these can not only come across as non-neutral but it may not be true for all readers or all peoples. For example, not all people from Lebanon may be aware of her maternal grandfather, however the term "well-known" implies that he should be a household name.
- Some of the sourcing is not reliable. For example, IMDb is not seen as a reliable source since anyone can edit the site. There have been actual cases where people have deliberately added false information to the site, enough to where it's been proven that the site mods don't really pay close enough attention to make the site reliable. It's really important that the sources be in places Wikipedia consider reliable and that they explicitly state the claim they're backing up. I did remove a good chunk of the content in the family section, partially because it went into a lot of detail that wasn't really necessary, but also because the sources didn't really back up the claims. They would back up the claim that this person did that, but not that they're related to Keynes, which would be what the sources should have backed up.
I've done some tweaking but there's still a lot of work to be done before this should be moved live. Let me know if you have any questions. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:44, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- Hi! To answer your question, I would recommend removing them and working them into the career section if there's anything major to add. Something to keep in mind: while interviews are primary sources, they can be used to back up basic details and information as long as the claim isn't anything major or controversial. You do want to make sure that the place holding the interview is reliable, but that's kind of an aside to the question you had. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:42, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- Hi! Marchjuly answered some of the question you had on my talk page here, so I wanted to make sure that you saw this. Also, I would recommend summarizing the research section a bit more akin to how this section is set up in the page of Francis Crick. Granted they specialize in different things, but the way the research is presented should be the same. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:17, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Nomination of Soumaya Keynes for deletion
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