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Your submission at Articles for creation: Bread Ahead Bakery & School (December 24)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Rusalkii was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

The comment the reviewer left was:

"an appetite for genuine traditional baking", "reputation for excellence" cited to the company's website, "We try to carry all of these principles over to the bakery schools", "As you enter you are welcomed by ", etc. Lots of second-person pronouns, marketing fluff.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Rusalkii (talk) 02:54, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Baz.ochen! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Rusalkii (talk) 02:54, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

December 2021

Hello, Baz.ochen. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Draft:Bread Ahead Bakery & School, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors;
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avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam#External link spamming);
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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Rusalkii (talk) 02:55, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bread Ahead Bakery & School (December 27)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by S0091 was:

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Still needs some work. Please read through all the blue links which provides some guidance about writing a neutral encyclopedia article. Please also read through the notability guidelines for companies, which includes the type of sources that are acceptable. And now I want bread....

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S0091 (talk) 23:10, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Bread Ahead Bakery & School (December 28)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Slywriter was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Could be notable but right now its written like a brochure from the company

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Slywriter (talk) 16:02, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bread Ahead Bakery (January 21)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Slywriter was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Still just an ad masquerading as an encyclopedia article

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Slywriter (talk) 15:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bread Ahead Bakery (February 5)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Bonadea were:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

The draft has been revised and is a bit more neutral, but it is still written very much from the perspective of the bakery (and its owner); one example is in the "Doughnuts" section where the details about how the dough is prepared and where the ingredients come from have no encyclopedic purpose.

The "History" section would flow better if it did not consist of multiple very short paragraphs. In addition, the owner's previous business ventures aren't that relevant – and he shouldn't be referred to by his first name. Further down in the draft, the details about each book they have published also read like advertising, especially since the sources for that info are the company themselves. (As an aside, I note that Bread Ahead refer to their own doughnuts as "infamous"...)

Regarding the sourcing, in the current version, sources 1, 2, 9 and 10 are the company website (and 9 and 10 point to their webshop), 5 is an amazon.com link (which, like the company webshop, should not be used as a reference), 3 is a trivial mention of the name, 4 is an interview with the owner (a primary source which uses only his own words), 6 is a very brief text that's apparently based on a press release (both primary and not independent), 7 is brief and may or may not be another press release – I'm also not sure about the quality of that source, and 8, finally, is a review of one of their doughnuts, which is probably independent but not very in-depth.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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bonadea contributions talk 13:21, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bread Ahead Bakery (February 6)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Bilorv was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Not sure why references were removed, but the one source currently in this draft is not enough to show notability.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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— Bilorv (talk) 12:20, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Some comments on your draft

Hi Baz.Ochen, I saw the edit summary you left here, saying "Not sure what else to change now...I've copied word for word copy from articles and not rephrased anything". I'm afraid that is the exact opposite of what we should do, and it looks as if you misunderstood my comment here. Copying text straight from other sources is almost always a copyright violation, which is strictly prohibited. The only exception is if the source has released the text under a compatible licence, but that rarely happens. We are also not permitted to add text that's taken from the source with only minimal rephrasing – that is still a copyright violation (as well as being plagiarism). Wikipedia's copyright policy is pretty complex, but please read this summary which covers the most important aspects.

Please take a moment to read the comments on the draft again. I saw that you have removed all the sources that were in the draft – if you want to go on improving it, I suggest that you first find at least three sources that arereliable, independent of the bakery, secondary (not based mostly on what the company say about themselves), and talk about the bakery at some depth. That's what is needed to show that Bread Ahead is notable according to Wikipedia's idiosyncratic definition of notability.

Once you have found sources that show notability, and revised the draft based on the info (but not the exact sentences) in those sources, you can also include information that appears in other reliable sources which are not secondary, such as the Evening Standard interview that you removed. The important thing is that the article isn't based mainly on primary sources. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 10:14, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Baz.ochen. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Draft:Bread Ahead Bakery, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors;
propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{request edit}} template);
disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI);
avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam#External link spamming);
do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Dan arndt (talk) 12:35, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bread Ahead Bakery (February 17)

Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reason left by 331dot was: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia.

331dot (talk) 12:46, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Bread Ahead Bakery

Hello, Baz.ochen. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Bread Ahead Bakery".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. ✗plicit 13:19, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]