User talk:Barryob/Archive 2

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Flag of Northern Ireland debate

You have been involved in the flag debate on the Northern Ireland talk page. If you remember there were four option listed about the way forward. If you wish you can go here and make your position clear. regards--Vintagekits 21:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Barry, I screwed up the NI infobox a bit and couldn't fix it. The removal of the banner was my only intention; I find the workings of these boxes very mysterious. (Sarah777 00:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC))

Sadly Barry it won't survive till morning! (Sarah777 01:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC))

Unfortunately your probably right oh well we can still hope --Barry entretien 01:19, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks you you Raging Anarchist you!! (Sarah777 21:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC))

Sickdudes

List the article he keeps recreating at AIV, it's harded to track if we have to dig for the article name in the logs, they don't show on his contribs once it's deleted. We can block recreation in such a case.Rlevse 00:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Briton

Posted from my talk page.

Just to tell you I have reverted your edits to Briton, the article is about citizens of the United Kingdom that includes people who where not born there. --Barry entretien 20:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that you're mistaken. The article is about the modern identity. British citizens are covered by another article. Even then, one should be weary about reducing the number to 60 million as there are millions more British citizens in the world than the 60 million people who reside in the United Kingdom. As an ethnic identity, more than 100 million people are of British heritage, and not all British citizens are indigenous Britons, with about 10% having no native/first nation connection to the land at all. Enzedbrit 21:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Vandals at the gates

Thanks Barry! I can now get one of those counter-Userboxes that say..."This Userpage has been vandalised x times". I guess it is probably one of the chaps from a couple of articles where I have had to revert the SAME vandalism over and over. Regards (Sarah777 20:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC))

ta da {{user talk vandalized|0}} just change the number to 3 or you could go with the pretty one {{User:Ace Class Shadow/vandalized}} I havent had to use it as mines has not been vandalised (yet) --Barry O'Brien entretien 20:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

City coat of arms removal

Why did you remove the city of arms for Berlin in the Germany article? Is this a new WP policy? If so, I should probably have the coat of arms for Washington DC removed from the United States article. Regards, Signature ^brendel 23:32, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I plan to remove them from all country articles as their inclusion in the infobox is pointless I was mearly starting with EU countries --Barry O'Brien entretien 23:40, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I see and I agree ;-)- There really isn't any point in having city coats of arms in the template. Thanks for your quick reply. Signature ^brendel 17:18, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Fenian Swine

Thanks for the vote.--Play Brian Moore 00:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

WTF are you doing wee man? Why have you reverted the logo from one party when all the parties in Nortern Ireland biogs have them? Given your userboxes this looks sectarian in nature. You have made no attempt to achieve a consenus for the change and your analysis for the change is incorrect. Revert or I will - admin incident will be raised for vandalism. Weggie 21:40, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Beat you to it Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Weggie --Barry O'Brien entretien 13:11, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm vandalising right now. How long will you guys let me keep this up?

SF logo

Just in case you were going to remove that from infoboxes, it's a public domain image not fair use. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 21:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me I had just started. --Barry O'Brien entretien 21:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

The SF Logo on Wikipedia, is one created by me based on the one used by the party.--padraig3uk 21:58, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

JAMES CRAIG, 1ST VISCOUNT CRAIGAVON

Dear Barry:

Re: James Craig, 1st Viscount Craigavon, re the assertion that he was "staunchly anti-Catholic"; this is received information/opinion as well as inflammatory and unsubstantiated POV as it currently stands. If you can prove this assertion rather than just key in stereotypes it can stay. Otherwise it is POV and unencyclopaedic. I hope (based on the info. on your user page) that you can be objective. Yours, Jill Teed 01:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

See article talk page --Barry O'Brien entretien 01:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Republic of Irelandd

This was a great edit and should keep everyone help!! well done a chara.--Vintagekits 15:42, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

No problem it seemed like the most logical choice. --Barryob entretien 15:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I liked it too. Makes perfect logical sense and is a good compromise. Well done :) - Alison^☺ 17:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Castle Greyskull

Dear He-Man, Castle Greyskull is not an "affectionate" term for Ibrox Stadium but an abusive term used by Celtic fans. As a result, I shall make it my life's work to ensure that the corresponding term "The Piggery" is inserted in the same article, and will keep doing so, until both are removed or the truth is told. Ta-ta the noo, Skeletor... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.13.65.138 (talk) 22:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

Done --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 22:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Coat of arms

Hi, thanks for the information about the use of coat of arms in the infobox country User:Ief 23:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

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You are mistaken

All I did was edit the appearance of the template to fit that of Parliamentary Acts. I did not alter the constitution of the template, by adding or subtracting any link. The topics are not universal in scope, but dated to a certain time and procession of events in the government. It is proper to display the Acts of Parliament in the way Parliament would, to accurately represent what they had done. This leaves no room for spin, but it does give depth to the issue. Neustriano 20:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Where are you off to now? I thought this was a discussion! Neustriano 21:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

The discussion was moved over to the template talk page Template talk:UKFormation --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 21:43, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Flags in Templates

I think User:84.68.93.126 is a sockpuppet of Astrotrain, if you check his contibs he only started posting after I warned Astrotrain I was going to report him for vandalism.--padraig3uk 21:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

French Fourth Republic

Hi, I saw you changed the successor of the French Fourth Republic back to France instead of the French Fifth Republic, after I had done it the other way around over a week ago. Could you explain to me why France should be the successor? Oliphaunt 21:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

moving your comment on my talk page here to preserve context:

Because France is the French Fifth Republic the French Fifth Republic page just describes the current politial situation whereas France is the actual country . --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 21:59, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I don't really agree with that line of thought; the Fourth Republic was also in the 'actual country' of France. The country didn't spring into existence when the Fourth Republic ended; the Fifth Republic did (well, it didn't 'spring', but you catch my drift). Someone interested in the history of the governments/constitutions of France is much better served with a link to the current government/constitution as a successor state than to the country which already existed anyway.

By the way, feel free to reply here. I've put your talk page on my watchlist. Oliphaunt 22:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

But as I said the France page is the French Fifth Republic the box is designed to show the successor country not the constitution of the successor country --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 02:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

The article France isn't limited to the Fifth Republic; it is about the country and in its history section lists lots of governments. If we can't reach agreement (no problem there in itself) I guess I'll post this on the talk page to French Fourth Republic.

Template:Irish Election box begin

Hi, I'm not bothered whether Party or Candidate comes first, so it you want to change them back again. Don't forget the 'Irish Election box candidate' template (for independents). Snappy56 12:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject France

Hello! We are a group of editors working to improve the quality of France related articles. You look like someone who might be interested in joining us in the France WikiProject and so I thought I'd drop you a line and invite you! We'd love to have you in our project :-) STTW (talk) 18:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Scottish Parliament

no but the MMPR explains they way the party seats are allocated by taking into account the Constituency seats but hows this ?

Quite perfect, much better than what I had. Dejvid 07:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Dun Laoghaire Rathdown

You left Barry Andrews off the 2007 list —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.38.191.2 (talk) 08:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC).

Sorry but I did not make the list I do not know if he is running in the election. --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 16:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

MSPs

Hi- I see you are also working on MSP articles. I am creating navigation templates for all the parties and just have Scottish Labour to go! Thunderwing 22:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Yep I have seen you good work ;) I am trying to make sure all the MSPs have infoboxes I am working my way throught the SNP will start on Lib Dems next. --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 22:34, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

User:AlexNewArtBot

Hi Barryob/Archive 2, as a WikiProject Scotland participant, please check out this this thread and consider adding the bot results page to your watchlist so we can manually update the New Articles page. There are some false results for the first batch, but I'm sure we can collectively tune the rules to improve the output.

If we get enough people watching the results page, we'll be cooking with gas as they say :) This looks like a great helper in finding new Scotland related material. Cheers. --Cactus.man ✍ 22:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Cabinet Secretary

Please see my ammendments to Cabinet Secretary. Please improve as appropriate. Ta. --Mais oui! 10:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

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Portcullis

Thanks for putting that in the Parliament of the United Kingdom infobox, i honestly looked all over for it and couldn't find a free one...so thanks. lollllllllll 05:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

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Scottish Gaelic for British Isles

Barry, I just added local official language translations of British Isles to the page, but cannot find a translation for Scottish Gaelic. Maybe you would have a better chance looking? Regards, --sony-youth^pléigh 18:35, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I only speak two languages English and Glaswegian --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 21:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

No prob. Thanks. --sony-youth^pléigh 22:22, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

YNWA

This song is most associated with Liverpool Football Club, period. Until solid evidence is produced (see YNWA talk page), there is no reason why Celtic's sporadic embrace should be given greater prominence than any other club. smb 02:56, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

The song is most associated with Liverpool and Celitc and I have added a ref to this. --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 11:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I repeat, in the world of soccer, the song "You'll Never Walk Alone" is most immediately associated with Liverpool Football Club. The evidence clearly shows that Celtic supporters adopted it at a much later date, in the 1980s, more than 20 years after it was firmly established with Liverpool. Given these facts, I do not consider Celtic's late embrace relevant. Both Fulham and Ipswich sung YNWA long before Celtic, and several other clubs flirted with it (especially on big match occasions). Please provide a persuasive reason why other clubs should be given equal prominence on a page that is principally about music. You cannot seriously contend that it is better associated with Liverpool and Celtic by virtue of the fact both sets of supporters now sing it -- that is circular argumentation. Please study and respect the evidence. Thanks smb 14:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

p.s. Your reference (this [1]) further strengthens my position. Celtic's claim on this song is self-evidently very, very flimsy. smb 14:28, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

How about a google search YNWA Liverpool 806,000 Celtic 446,000 Ipswich Town 56,200, Celtic and liverpool are the two teams the song is most associated with --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 15:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

You are mistaken. A Google search for Liverpool produces 429,000 results [2] while Celtic returns only 42,000 hits [3] (a figure more than nine times higher). In any case, you appear to be missing the point. There is absolutely no reason to highlight other soccer clubs the song has become associated with. The basic, factual details are already in place. Celtic is correctly placed on a list of clubs who adopted the song at a later point in time. However, by removing Celtic from the list and onto the main section, you also alter the meaning of the page to imply that Celtic adopted the song at the same time as Liverpool, when this is flatly false. In addition, if we plunge this slippery slope, then why elevate only two such clubs - why not three, four or possibly five? Is it because you want to lend greater significance and weight to Celtic than is historically accurate? Please, before reverting the main page (again), I respectfully request that you address these and the many other points raised on the talk page. smb 16:52, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I thought my additions were highly accurate.

Proposed deletion of SNP MPs and current Scottish MPs cats

Could you have a look at this CFD nomination. It has been up for a week, and only 2 people have commented on it (amazingly). Could you please consider the discussion and contribute, because it would be a bit pathetic if this CFD were closed with almost zero comment. --Mais oui! 17:12, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

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Troll

Please see User talk:Kanaye#Troll. --Mais oui! 04:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

"Teachtaí Dála of the Dáil Éireann"

The grammar is terrible. You cannot say "the Dáil Éireann" or "an Dáil Éireann" because "Éire" is a definite noun. More correct would be "Teachtaí Dála of Dáil Éireann". But then we have the problem of the plural of TDs in English. Also the section itself should go below the election boxes, since those are what people look for first. Where can this be discussed so that there is uniformity in article format? See Cavan-Monaghan_(Dáil_Éireann_constituency) -- Evertype·✆ 09:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I do not speak Irish so I cannot help you with your first point as for the second, it is standard to have members before the election resutls as this is what is done with constituencies for other legislatures including the old Parliament of Ireland constituencies and Irish constituencies to the UK Parliament. --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 16:06, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Please use the heading Members of Dáil Éireann in future. There is no definite article. You could also say "Members of the Dáil", while "Teachtaí Dála of Dáil Éireann" sounds quite bad. Snappy56 14:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

It is "standard" according to whom? -- Evertype·✆ 16:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

See Talk:Cavan-Monaghan (Dáil Éireann constituency) it is the same layout that the historic Parliamentary constituencies use in Irleland. --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 16:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Dáil Éireann member tables

I've given up with editing the Dáil Éireann constituency pages. You seem to be good editor and polite contacting with other contributors, however, I've found a few who aren't so polite. Glad you like the Cavan-Monaghan members table and happy for you to put it back again. I've reverted the Cavan Dáil Éireann table, if you wish to put that back, please be my guest. But as I said, I'm staying well away with Dáil Éireann pages. Cwb61 (talk) 23:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Government of Scotland

Not sure why you want to turn this into a redirect to the Executive page - surely it loses info and may also create a double re-direct? Ben MacDui (Talk) 19:36, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Flag of Ireland

I will leave it's original location until the discussion has taken place SirFozzie 20:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

USSR

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Northern Ireland

I re-created the Template:Northern Ireland infobox1 and placed it on the article.--padraig3uk 01:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Your editing pattern

Please stop stalking my edit contributions. Thank you. --Mal 21:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Please stop inserting the defunct Ulster Banner into Northern Ireland templates thanking you. --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 21:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Please stop removing the Northern Ireland flag from articles relating to Northern Ireland. Thank you. --Mal 23:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

If by Northern Ireland flag you mean the defunct Ulster Banner then no, thanks --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 23:42, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

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Maps of Republic of Ireland Constituencies

Hi Barryob, well done on creating maps for the ROI Constituencies. It really makes a difference to see a map of the constituency, rather than just reading a description of its geography. Keep up the good work! Snappy56 20:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

No problem have I been meaning to make the maps for a while now, the artilces just seem bare without one. --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 20:40, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Well done on the maps. I'd like to point out a small error: you've mixed up Galway East and Galway West. Can this be rectified?--Damac 21:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Whoops, fix it now thanks. --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 21:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Well done again on the maps but you appear to have forgotten about Cork South Central. It's the only ROI constituency without a map. Can you do the necesary? Thanks, Snappy56 20:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

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Not sure what article this message relates to if (a) Template:Northern Ireland cities this is the correct name all links point here so there is no need to move it if (b) List of British flags there have been umpteen disussions on the talk page the Ulster Banner is a historical flag and should go in the relevant section thanks. --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 18:21, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

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For what restoring the template back to its original location where all the links point to. --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 23:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC)