Talk:Cavan–Monaghan (Dáil constituency)

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"Teachtaí Dála of the Dáil Éireann"

The grammar is terrible. You cannot say "the Dáil Éireann" or "an Dáil Éireann" because "Éire" is a definite noun. More correct would be "Teachtaí Dála of Dáil Éireann". But then we have the problem of the plural of TDs in English. Also the section itself should go below the election boxes, since those are what people look for first.

Where can this be discussed so that there is uniformity in article format? -- Evertype·✆ 09:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I created the chronological table in the first place and titled it "Members (TDs) of the Dáil Éireann". The reason being that in the "Election" column links to the "Members of the .... Dáil" pages. Other contributors have followed and created tables for other constituency pages, but named it "Teachtaí Dála of the Dáil Éireann", so I followed it in suit. Having thought about it should simply be named "Members of the Dáil Éireann".

The reason I put the table section before the election boxes was to follow the pattern with the Historic Westminster constituency in Ireland articles, which shows the introduction part, then "Boundaries", "Members", "Elections", and "References". The Cavan (UK Parliament constituency) has the table first, which isn't too long, then the election section, which is quite long. The idea to put the table after elections would look out of place. For the Dáil Éireann constituency pages, if all the election boxes were included for each one, then the boxes would be better after the members table.

I disagree that people look for the election boxes first. This is an encyclopedia site and the article is not just a quick way to check for election results, but is about the constituency itself, its boundaries, history and members.

(Evertype's inserted comment) That doesn't in itself mean that the election boxes shouldn't come first.

(back to Cayden) In fact there shouldn't be individual election sections, they should be grouped together under the title "Election", then sub-section for each election details.

(Evertype's inserted comment) Editing them as subsections is easier, certainly. Most of these articles don't have very many of these election boxes.

(back to Cayden) The article should follow the pattern with an intro in the first paragraph, then about its creation, then mentions about the more prominent members. Then the chronological table for members, the election section, then depending on each article, See also, External links, and References.

I'm not happy at all with the chronological table for members after the election boxes, and have moved it back to before. I've also grouped each election results into a "Elections" section. Cayden (talk) 13:27, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

If the header needs to be changed thats fine I do not speak Irish so I have no idea what would be best, but the members table is best put before the election results as this is what is done with nearly every other Parliamentary Constituency and if it gets too long the table could be shortend and the full list given its own page such as List of TDs for Carlow Kilkenny --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 16:10, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I don’t speak Irish either, yet I’m half-Irish. I’m glad you agree with the members table is best before the Elections section. I based the chronological table on the UK constituency tables, but had to alter it to take in account the number of Irish TDs. Thanks changing the two county maps for the single constituency map, it looks much better. Cayden (talk) 17:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not in agreement about this. There tables you talk about can get very long indeed, as we there are many Dáils since the foundation of the State. The fact that Cavan_(UK_Parliament_constituency) has a certain format does not mean that the format is particularly useful to the encyclopaedia, or that it is suitable for the modern constituencies. And why are the chronological tables not in reverse chronological order? One use of these boxes might be for people to find out who their TD is. (Yes, people use encyclopaedias for that sort of thing.) I'd suggest reverse chronological order for these. Also... these pages should all be part of Wiki Project Ireland -- and if we don't agree whether election or constituency boxes should precede, perhaps we could have a discussion with the rest of the community. I'm all for consensus. :-) -- Evertype·✆ 06:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd prefer you not to insert comments to messages I've made, it gives the impression they are my comments.

If you prefer the election boxes in reverse order and to be before the member's table, please feel free to alter the article's layout. I'm not debating the issue. Cayden (talk) 19:08, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Its not just Cavan_(UK_Parliament_constituency) that has that format it is every Irish constituency from the pre-union parliament and latter UK ones it is better to have consistency by all of them having the same format --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 19:34, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Barryob, I agree with you, the format for Dáil Éireann constituencies should be consistent with the pre-independent Irish and other UK constituencies. However, Evertype is in disagreement and I'm not debating the issue. If you want to discuss and debate with the rest of the community, I'll certainly support for the consistency you've said earlier. Cayden (talk) 20:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Cayden is right and I am willing to debate this, the format is used throughout wikipedia for example on Canadian Federal electoral districts and Australian Electoral Divisions --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 23:22, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

How do people find the format in use in Galway East (Dáil Éireann constituency)? I would propose that be used as a model for other Irish constituencies. The table used in this Cavan-Monagahan article looks ugly and is very difficult to read. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Damac (talk • contribs) 21:13, 22 June 2007 (UTC).

Galway East does not have a format only a list of election results, the members table is helpful and if find it easy to read. --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 23:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

As regards the table, I think it's important to point out that the terms " first member", "second member", etc., have never been used in the context of Irish politics. By referring to a deputy as the "first member", the table implies that s/he was the most important member, or the toll topper in each case. While this might indeed be true, it is not always the case for a TD to top the poll in successive elections. There is fluctuation.--Damac 07:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Paudge Connolly 2011

Why is Paudge Connolly listed as a candidate. He isn't included in the electionsireland page as a candidate? Exiledone (talk) 12:54, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Actually, it does list him in the Others column, though the info maybe out of date or incorrect. Snappy (talk) 14:15, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

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