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Your submission at Articles for creation: Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies (June 17)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by DoubleGrazing were:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Per WP:GNG, we need to see significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:08, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies (September 15)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted because it included copyrighted content, which is not permitted on Wikipedia.

This submission appears to be taken from https://aims.edu.au/, https://neoskosmos.com/en/2021/11/20/life/books/the-book-launch-on-imbros-and-tenedos/. Wikipedia cannot accept material copied from elsewhere, unless it explicitly and verifiably has been released to the world under a suitably-free and compatible copyright license or into the public domain and is written in an acceptable tone—this includes material that you own the copyright to. You should attribute the content of a draft to outside sources, using citations, but copying and pasting or closely paraphrasing sources is not acceptable. The entire draft should be written using your own words and structure. Note to reviewers: do not leave copyright violations sitting in the page history. Please follow the instructions here.

You are welcome to write an article on the subject, but please do not use copyrighted work.

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Dan arndt (talk) 07:40, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies (September 18)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DoubleGrazing was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

All sources bar one are primary. For notability, we need to see significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:36, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies, is not suitable as written to remain published. DoubleGrazing's comment from September still applies: "For notability, we need to see significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources." The sources you've added since then do not contain significant coverage of the topic. I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:33, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I do not understand why you have decided at this point in time to move the article. I had added many citations since DG's comments. I have added further additional citations in any case. Ballantyne82 (talk) 05:28, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The citations you've been adding have not addressed the main problem: you need to demonstrate that the institute is notable by citing reliable, secondary sources that provide significant coverage about AIMS. If you post at the draft talk page and say something like "here are three reliable sources, all totally independent of AIMS, that wrote at least a couple of paragraphs about the institute itself" your draft is likely to be approved. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:19, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Randykitty (talk) 09:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies

Hi, two different experienced editors have moved your article back to draft. Instead of edit warring about that, you'd better try to understand why the think your draft isn't ready and then address that problem. Then somebody else will approve your draft and move it to article space. I'm going to move it back onoe more time. Please realize that your behavior is disruptive and that continuing warring about this may get you blocked from editing (by an uninvolved admin, not me). --Randykitty (talk) 13:12, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have independent sources from newspapers and TV. Why is this not enough? Ballantyne82 (talk) 22:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have posted a detailed evaluation of the current 14 sources on the talk page of the draft. It should be obvious what the problem is. Most of those references are trivial and should be replaced with sources that discuss the institute in-depth. --Randykitty (talk) 16:30, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How convenient that the only article that discusses the organisation in depth is "not accessible outside of Australia". You've got to be kidding. Ballantyne82 (talk) 01:27, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it isn't, at least I get a message saying "not available in your location". And as I explained in that analysis, even if that one reference would turn out to be "in-depth" (which I doubt), one source still isn't enough to show notability. --Randykitty (talk) 07:55, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What definition of "in-depth" are you using? My topic is about an academic institute. Notability guidelines relevant to academic topics applies and I believe I have followed them. Ballantyne82 (talk) 09:28, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Which guidelines would that be? I don't know of any guideline that this institute would meet: the applicable ones are WP:GNG or WP:ORG (meeting just one of those would be sufficient). --Randykitty (talk) 11:31, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Try WP:PROF Ballantyne82 (talk) 13:07, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't apply, as the article is not a biography of an academic. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:10, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

*Exactly. In case you didn't notice, Ballantyne82, each one of the 8 criteria of that guideline starts with "The person...". --Randykitty (talk) 13:49, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So explain to me why other institutes, such as the Institute for Balkan Studies (Serbia) - Wikipedia doesn't need any citations? Ballantyne82 (talk) 01:37, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I proposed deletion of that article. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:48, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gee your fast, and what about Institute for Macedonian language "Krste Misirkov" - Wikipedia? Ballantyne82 (talk) 01:59, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So why doesn't Institute for Macedonian language "Krste Misirkov" have any citations? Which guidelines do you apply for this institute? Ballantyne82 (talk) 02:19, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If it doesn't have any citations, you could either find and add some, or propose that it be deleted. There are other options too, like asking at a WikiProject or using WP:AFD. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:27, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So why didn't you take action then, like you did on the previous one? Ballantyne82 (talk) 02:46, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thankfully, the responsibility for searching for sources to support unsourced articles is not mine alone. Nor is deciding whether to prod articles when my search comes up short. I spent some time, which I feel good about spending, looking for such sources for the Balkan Studies article and AIMS. I don't really feel like doing so for the Macedonian language article. You can if you want to! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:28, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ballantyne82, please have a look at WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 08:06, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am waiting.for your answer to my question....the hypocrisy clock is ticking.... Ballantyne82 (talk) 08:15, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The answer is in OTHERCRAPEXISTS, but as you apparently either didn't look at that or didn't understand it, here's the gist of it: WP has millions of articles and thousands of editors. Sometimes articles that are below par hang around for years before someone gets around looking at them seriously. There are many badly-sourced/unsourced articles on WP, that's a reason to look for them and do something about it if one has the time to do so. It's not a reason to create more of such badly-sourced articles. And proposing something for deletion costs a lot of time and effort (see WP:BEFORE). --Randykitty (talk) 09:37, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You are ignoring my question. You do not want to look at the article I pointed you to because it will show you are not acting in good faith. This has become obvious to me. Ballantyne82 (talk) 09:51, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I tagged it for missing soources, I have no time to propose it for deletion because I have no time for BEFORE (and expect that if there are sources, they might be in Macedonian, which I don't read, so I have to leave this for another editor. As for my good faith, I really, really, really react badly to people that doubt my good faith. So does WP. Continued personal attacks may end badly for you. --Randykitty (talk) 09:59, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So an article with zero citations gets tagged, yet my article with 15 citations gets moved? Seems hypocritical. Ballantyne82 (talk) 10:04, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Articles that have been around for many years, should not be moved to draft space. It's different for new articles. I'm sorry that you don't like this, but I don't make the rules. --Randykitty (talk) 10:30, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Randykitty (talk) 13:13, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies (January 9)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Mattdaviesfsic was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Also see WP:CITEKILL.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 21:29, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 22:02, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies

Hello, Ballantyne82. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:47, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]