User talk:Bairagi Ram

Indian Air Force

Please stop disruptively editing as you have done on the Indian Air Force page. Trying to circumvent Wikipedia standards, with illegitimate excuses is unconstructive and severs no one. If you continue down this route you will be blocked from editing -Thank you FOX 52 ^talk! 14:54, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @FOX 52

I completely understand your point that MOS:INFOBOXFLAG states that flags should not be used in infoboxes as they put undue emphasis on a particular field. But in the case of Indian Airforce, there should be an exception as the article is about the force as whole instead of some individual squadron, command or unit. The flag templates give additional information about the subject which is mentioned in the infobox (as in the case of flag of Air Chief Marshal alongside the name of the Air Chief Marshal)

Also the articles about the other two branches of the Indian Armed Forces - Indian Army and Indian Navy uses flags in infoboxes and it had been there for many years. I am also aware that articles on Wikipedia are indipendent one another and there is no rule stating that there should be homogeneity among articles that are similar (like the three branches of Indian Armed forces), but this is the norm among articles of countries with large airforce that they use flags in infobox. Some of the examples are -

If you would like, we could take this discussion to the talk page of the article to get more opinions about the topic. Regards Bairagi Ram (talk) 16:18, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The excuse that its somewhere else just means we haven't gotten to them yet -over 200 article don't used them - I stopped at C as to spare your eyes from hurting - flagcons serve zero purpose to the reader other than eyes candy.

do NOT revert again edit warring will get you blocked - FOX 52 ^talk! 20:12, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FOX 52: These articles do not use flags as there is no separate flag for the air force or their commanders. In some cases there are flags for the same but are not uploaded to Commons. I am with you on the use of flags in infobox should be avoided. But for the articles which do have good quality flag image then it could be used.

I promise you I will not add flags to any article except the articles about the three armies of India. Like I previously proposed we could take the discussion to article's talk, if you are open to the idea. Bairagi Ram (talk) 08:12, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Okay. Bairagi Ram (talk) 10:55, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editing differences regarding flag of Ministry of Defence (India)

Hello, User:Bairagi Ram
I have noticed your recent edits to certain Wikipedia pages related to the Indian Armed Forces, some of which have stood in stark contrast to edits made by others. In accordance, I've noted you've continuously reinstated the supposed flag of India's Ministry of Defence (MoD) onto its Wiki page. However, do note:

The MoD is a civilian organization, like the other Union Ministries; although individual ministries may have their own unique emblems, they don't have individual flag - since they represent the Union Government, which abides by the National Flag of India.
There are no sources in the public domain, referenced by governmental/military sources to suggest that the MoD has ever had a flag in the first place. There is neither any historical precedent nor existing reference to support that idea. The Flag Code of India infers that the National Flag shall be flown by all Union/State Departments, and not any other flag.

This shall be the final time I will pull down the flag from the Wiki page; if you do have any evidence to support the so-called MoD flag, do share it, or else this will have to marked as an edit war, as your continuous reverting violates the three-revert rule.

I hope you understand, and will not reinstate something which has been pulled done for good reason. Silver Pavilion (talk) 12:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This shall be your final warning. I have repetitively said that there is no public source for the so-called MoD flag, as it is against the spirit of the Flag Code of India. If you are to revert my edits, provide solid proof or you will be marked for edit warring. Stop making disruptive editing just to suit your own view.

Silver Pavilion (talk) 12:51, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have not made any edits regarding the Indian Ministry of defence. you must be mistaking me with someone else. thank you for understanding. German2000 (talk) 20:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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May 2024

Please stop. If you continue to add inappropriate images, as you did at Research and Analysis Wing, you may be blocked from editing. You removed the notice and put an image against that notice, this act was disruptive. Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 07:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The link of the discussion you shared has only you giving explanation, without any other participant. Let's open a discussion on the talk page before removing the image. Bairagi Ram (talk) 18:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a discussion. Every message on TalkPage is an open discussion. Do not try to OWN pages, you may be blocked. Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 04:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't think this discussion should take place on my talk page. Articles have their own talk pages for that purpose. And your argument that your edits on the article have not been challenged for long time does not mean they are correct. I also don't think any consensus have been reached on the article's talk page as you did not invited anybody else for the discussion, only your comments are present there. And the edits with logo in the article have been present for much more duration than edits without logo.

Also let the article be as it was before you removed the logo until consensus is reached. Feel free to ping other editors to invite them to the discussion here. Bairagi Ram (talk) 20:43, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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INC

Please stop disruptively editing as you have done on the Indian National Congress page. Trying to circumvent Wikipedia standards, with illegitimate excuses is unconstructive and severs no one. Please use article talk page for any discussion. If you continue down this route you will be blocked from editing -Thank you ZenDragoX _{(User) |}_(Contact) 12:16, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The colours of INC was added on the article page just a few days ago, without any citations. The only colour used to represent the party is blue. So don't add them before giving any reference. Bairagi Ram (talk) 16:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bairagi Ram (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I am requesting to be unblocked from editing the article about Indian National Congress. @Zendrago X: is wrongfully adding the colours of the party in the infobox. I asked them to provide any reference for their claim, but they did not do so and just kept undoing my edits. 19 May, 25 May, 29 May
The wrong colours were added on 6 May by @German2000: in this edit. A month have not even passed since the new colours were added, before that the blue colour was there for years. So there is no reason to call my edits as vandalism.
If there should be a discussion on the article's talk page regarding the colours then the version of the article (mainy the colours) which was before 6 May should be published until consensus is reached. Bairagi Ram (talk) 08:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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You don't need access to the article itself to discuss the edits on the talk page. You'll need to show us that you won't edit war before being given access to the article. 331dot (talk) 08:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Indians are not of British Origin

As long as your ancestors are not British, what's the need to edit Wikipedia history to adjust to British viewpoint? As long as the ancestors of Indians are the same old seafarers who from BCE are into building ships and maintaining a Navy, there is no need to confirm to British viewpoints as they do in Australia and NZ. I request that you acknowledge your ancestors to be Indians and not British. Thanks. Mifiin (talk) 02:35, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sanskrit deleted edits

Hello Bairagi Ram. I see you deleted the information I added to the main box of the Wikipedia Sanskrit page. You must know I wasn't intending to troll or spread disinformation. Not all unsourced edits are trolling. I am a student of linguistics and a lover of linguistics and world history. And I am new to Wikipedia and what's more, a disaster with tech. I didn't add a reference simply because I just learnt how to add one on visual editing and I really have no idea of how to add one on code editing.You are not the first one to delete one of my edits just because of that. You all could have chosen to verify my information on internet, but you didn't. And I am sure that once you see a source,many of you chill and don't even corroborate the information on a search, something I would have done, by the way. It was as easy as to look for "Sanskrit in Tibet/Mongolia". So it would be very kind of you if you restored my edits including the following information in the box; I will provide you with two sources (I would do it myself but I don't know how to do it and I'm afraid someone will again delete my efforts): -South Asia (since the 14th/4th century BCE )

It's not just ancient and medieval. A large majority of the population of the Subcontinent reveres the language even today. Therefore it's more accurate to say since the 14th/4th century BCE, that is, since the composition of the Vedas (Vedic) and since Panini's standardisation (Classical).

- Indianised Southeast Asia ( since 250 BCE)

Again, Sanskrit is still important there. It's important to add "Indianised", because peripheral areas of the region remained outside the reaches of Indian literate civilisation. Besides, at least geographically, Vietnam (specifically the Kinh ethnicity) is a part of Southeast Asia, but it is Sinic in culture, not Indic, and it's classical reference language is Literary Chinese, not Sanskrit. Indianisation of Southeast Asia began theoretically in 250 BCE during Ashoka's time, you can check it in the corresponding Wikipedia page.

-Greater Tibet (since the 7th century AD)

With "Greater Tibet" I mean all Sino-Tibetan populations who practice Indo-Tibetan Buddhism. Buddhism came to Tibet in the 7th century under the reign of Songtsen Gampo and it came not from China, but from India, and with it came The new Brahmic Tibetan script and Sanskrit. For the Tibetans, as for the Mongolians, Sanskrit was the most refined and sophisticated and sacred language of the world, just like for the Thai, the Khmer or the Balinese. Like for this three, it was the "Language of the Gods". Tibetans and Mongolians were masters at Sanskrit text translation.

-Greater Mongolia (since the 16th century AD)

With" Greater Mongolia" I mean Turkic and Mongolic peoples who practice Indo-Tibetan Buddhism. They adopted the religion in the 16th century and since then, they have fervently admired everything coming from India. That's why they should be considered part of the Indosphere. Because of their love of Sanskrit, they even adopted more Sanskrit loanwords than the Tibetans (although both were slightly purist when translating, as they translated almost every single word into their languages. This while South and Southeast Asians outside the Vietnamese are full of Sanskrit loanwords, Tibetan and Mongol are full of Sanskrit calques).

-Ancient Central Asia (Classical and Late Antiquity to Early Medieval Period)

With the expansion of Buddhism in the Silk Road, there also came Sanskrit. It became prominent in Khotan, Sakastan, Sogdiana... It was lost due to the Muslim Conquests.

That is all. I really hope you can help it. It took some time to do this and I don't know how to do it alone. Here are the sources:

https://books.google.com/books?id=zs1GEAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=sanskrit+literature+in+tibet+and+mongolia&hl=ca&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwii47HT9K6HAxXsSPEDHYifAosQ6AF6BAgGEAM

https://books.google.es/books?id=Rrz1DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA43&dq=sanskrit+literature+in+mongolia&hl=ca&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiW3dTk9K6HAxVBBdsEHXoKB0gQ6AF6BAgMEAM

https://books.google.com/books?id=sluKZfTrr3oC&printsec=frontcover&dq=buddhism+in+central+asia&hl=ca&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj-sLm88q6HAxXVgf0HHdqtDkAQ6AF6BAgHEAM Marcgsch (talk) 20:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 2024

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Can you please it in more detail, what I have done wrong? Bairagi Ram (talk) 17:37, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don't restore sock edits

That unnecessary infobox was added by sock, don't add it unnecessarily. You want to make unnecessary changes in the article so it's your work to gain consensus, don't ask people who are reverting sock edits to gain consensus. Hbanm (talk) 07:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bairagi Ram kindly stop reverting edits to restore your preferred edits, this can lead to some serious actions. ZDX _{(User) |}_(Contact) 08:19, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]