User talk:Athaenara/Archive 7

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Conflict of interest discussions in 2009

User AndrewAntaro

→ in re: AndrewAntaro (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and A W Smith (attorney) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

You might want to consider User:AndrewAntaro for CSD G11; it's by the same person as created the recently speedied User:A W Smith (attorney), and appears to be part of what looks like a Mr. Antaro advertising campaign on wikipedia for his company. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:07, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added {{sockpuppet}} tags to the usertalk pages. — Athaenara ✉ 00:21, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would guess Mr. Antaro was hired by several companies to increase their internet presence. He has a website that outlines his services, but I wouldn't recommend visiting it, as it kept resizing the browser screen. Cheers! TN X Man 00:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

→ user 382589454 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

User AndrewAntaro, citing "harassment" (diff), petitioned to change his username to 382589454 and apparently succeeded. — Athaenara ✉ 09:00, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AMAX article deletion

→ in re: Amaxhelen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
→ see also:

Hello Athaenara,

I've noticed that the article, AMAX Information Technologies, I created was removed due to the reason that it contains blantant advertising. I am still new to creating articles on Wikipedia so I'm not aware if my writing crosses over any boundaries. I only wish to have an article for this company in a neutral point of view and yet, informative for others who are researching for this company. Can you provide me any tips or help what I would need to remove/revised in the contents of that article so it would be okay to have it up? Thank you. Amaxhelen (talk) 16:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Several suggestions were posted on your talk page. Have you read them? — Athaenara ✉ 21:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've looked over it and gotten some ideas how to improve the article. Is there a way I can retrieve the article to revise, and somehow test it out to make sure it's compliable (rather then keep reposting it live and having it tagged if it's still not following guidelines)? I would appreciate all the help I can get, thank you! Amaxhelen (talk) 21:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You may wish to post a request for suggestions on the Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. Text of the deleted article is in earlier revisions of your user subpage User:Amaxhelen/AMAX Information Technologies. — Athaenara ✉ 22:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Athaenara, thank you for the tip. I made a request there and on WikiProject trying to get some open opinions on the revised article draft I created on my subpage. Do you know normally how long would they check my request? Amaxhelen (talk) 23:38, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It depends entirely on whether it attracts the interest of any editors. There are more tips over at Articles for creation. — Athaenara ✉ 07:22, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of 'Eye of the Sports Guy' and 'B.S. Report' Podcasts

→ in re: my post on Jliverse's talk page
→ see also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of 'The Dave Dameshek Show' and 'Dave Dameshek On Demand' Podcasts

Thanks for your feedback re: the conflict of interest guidelines. I appreciate the concern. In this case, I don't have any relationship whatsoever to the show, its producers, the parent company, its host, the industry or even podcasting in general. Any help on making the page better would be appreciated. Thanks again. Jliverse (talk) 12:47, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, feel free to remove my post! — Athaenara ✉ 22:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shozam page deletion

→ in re: deleted article

Dear Athaenara,

Our Shozam Wiki page was deleted for "blatant advertising." However, we included credible, third-party sources in our article. Additionally, other software program similar to Shozam have not been deleted, including:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoshop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACDSee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalbum

Please advise as to why our page was deleted when we followed the reference guidelines, and other software programs are allowed, but not ours. Please consider relisting our Shozam article.

Regards, Kelly User: Kkneagu1

Kkneagu1 (talk) 22:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I posted {{Uw-coi}} information on your talk page regarding the conflict of interest guidelines (diff).

Did you read any of the linked explanatory pages? — Athaenara ✉ 22:11, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

User:MBH2000/Florcello

→ in re: FLORCELLO / Florcello pages by MBH2000 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Could you pleaseItalic text explain how my article on Florcello submitted 03/16/09 is considered "blatent advertising"? How could it possibly be written in a more unbiased fashion ? I want to learn. Please take a look a the articles for Tuaca, Liquor Fogg, Sabra... If these articles are acceptable, please advise how I am offending the Wiki rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MBH2000 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I posted {{Uw-coi}} information on your talk page regarding the conflict of interest guidelines (diff). Did you read any of the linked explanatory pages?

I see that Camaron and Dank55 have responded to your queries. Wikipedia:Articles for creation or the Conflict of interest/Noticeboard may be helpful as well. — Athaenara ✉ 01:33, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ManchVegas Roller Girls

→ in re: deleted articles by Team1up (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
→ see also: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 March 26#ManchVegas Roller Girls

Why was my article that was created under manchvegasrollergirls was removed? We didn't advertise anything at all.? Team1up (talk) 22:32, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I posted {{Uw-coi}} information on your talk page regarding the conflict of interest guidelines (diff).

Did you read any of the linked explanatory pages? — Athaenara ✉ 22:42, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes but i don’t see where the issue lies... If it was a typo then my bad... I was enthusiasm in redoing the wiki and getting it solid for a return. If my page is informative, contains what is needed as in references and link per last creation & is not a conflict of interest just a typo then why was it removed? It has every right to be there since it is a legit valid sport in Manchester nh. And I ask you if you check out New Hampshire Roller Derby who are the Nashua team for comparison, they have less info and there wiki has less info and there wiki needs work they won’t thru the same issue with wiki admin’s and they got it up why not us? Why not remove them? In fact if you look at any derby wiki you'll see the same amount of information is posted on any page and there all fine. Were all teams we all play roller derby and we all want people to know about us and on wiki. Were a part of NH were a part of Manchester & I’m requesting that it be reverted back to what it was. If not i want to know exactly on the page what is wrong and where so it can be fixed. Thanks for your time Team1up (talk) 18:10, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Try articles for creation or the conflict of interest noticeboard. — Athaenara ✉ 22:41, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Site meets and exceeds all the requirements for a wiki page, it has loads of information w is legit.So again if i place it back up will you take it back down and claim it as adverts again ? Team1up (talk) 04:07, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your issues are not with me but with the Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines which include Wikipedia is not a soapbox and Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). You are certainly free to try Deletion review as noted on Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?. — Athaenara ✉ 05:00, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion review for ManchVegas Roller Girls

An editor has asked for a deletion review of ManchVegas Roller Girls. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedy-deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Team1up (talk) 12:43, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Editing Michael Covel

I have made changes to Michael Covel in order to better fit the guidelines set forth by Wikipedia. It is not my intent to create useless pages on Wikipedia. I am new to Wikipedia and just learning they correct style of writing for this Encyclopedia.

The other pages referencing Michael W. Covel and Michael W Covel where supposed to be tests on Sandbox and not published. I still do not know how to delete articles (can you?) that you did not intend to show on Wikipedia. I think the Michael Covel article (only the one Michael Covel article) is relevant and would serve the Wikipedia Community as a reference/resource for economic perspective. Any advice on how to make the article as neutral as possible would be greatly appreciated. I also want to be clear that I do not have a close connection to Michael Covel or any of his associates/affiliates. I found the content I read in is books relevant enough to share with others. Thank you! DuvWork (talk) 04:33, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Your first article has some advice. — Athaenara ✉ 05:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of JUMP - The IAESTE Training and Motivation Seminar

→ in re: deleted article
→ see also: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 31#JUMP - The IAESTE Motivation and Training Seminar

What do I have to change on the text in order to keep the page? All the infos written on it was from me. People in IAESTE often ask me what is JUMP? So why not having a info page about JUMP? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aekeller (talk • contribs) 19:54, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I posted {{Uw-coi}} information on your talk page regarding the conflict of interest guidelines.

Did you read any of the linked explanatory pages? — Athaenara ✉ 20:00, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Meanwhile I read the pages. Thanks for the infos. I already sent a mail to permissions-en for granting permission: Granting Wikipedia permission to copy material already online (JUMP - The IAESTE Motivation and Trainings Seminar)

Can you unlook the page, or do I have to go through the enire process? Aekeller (talk) 20:45, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest says

Don't create new articles
Don't create any new articles (or recreate any deleted articles) on any subject related to your conflict of interest. Similarly, don't create articles that discuss a company or group you are affiliated with. If no article exists and you believe one should, you can make a request for someone else to post one at Wikipedia:Requested articles. You may make a draft in your userspace (e.g. a page like User:yourname/yourcompany to mention in your request.

— Athaenara ✉ 02:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the input. I read Wikipedia:Requested articles Please do not add new requests to this page. Instead, read the following. So, what should I do now... request or not? I am getting careful new. I do not want to screw up my reputation any more... Meanwhile I put the draft on my user page User:Aekeller/JUMP - The IAESTE Motivation and Training Seminar. Under which categorie would it fit best?Aekeller (talk) 06:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can only recommend the Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. — Athaenara ✉ 07:29, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your input. Did I right at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#JUMP - The IAESTE Motivation and Training Seminar? None is answering me? Can you tell me what to change in order to get it right? I found the article Central European Convention. CEC and JUMP are pretty similar, so I wan't to have the same kind of information about both events related to IAESTE. So, how can I start it not to run into a COI? It is a fact that I have most of infos about JUMP, however it can be verified by thousands of people in IAESTE. Aekeller (talk) 11:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Drawn Some offered some good advice there today. — Athaenara ✉ 20:14, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ClearBooks

→ see also: deletion logs for Clear Books, ClearBooks, user page

Please can you explain why all the accounting wiki pages listed here Comparison of accounting software are permitted, but ClearBooks got deleted? I have used references. I have used a similar format to the accounting software listed in Comparison of accounting software. ClearBooks is a web based accounting software product. These types of online apps are a new growing market that are not represented on wikipedia. These are the fast growth companies that will be competing with the incumbent likes of Sage, QuickBooks and other desktop software packages. For those reasons I believe a) ClearBooks merits its own page on wikipedia b) Once listed it should be represented in the Comparison of accounting software TimFouracre (talk) 08:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

{{Uw-coi}} information was posted on your talk page regarding the conflict of interest guidelines.

Did you read any of the linked explanatory pages? — Athaenara ✉ 23:00, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. References and impartial and that's what I attempted. I first tried creating Clear Books a while back and got feedback from the person that deleted that that I should try again with references in the future. I did this but put it on ClearBooks as that is the correct name.

My talk page that got deleted was me writing the article first on a test page.

Look at this for example ALERE Accounting which only has external links to itself and very little content. How is that permitted, but the article I wrote deleted?

It's just a bit annoying that the article is deleted with no record, and my time has been wasted. In your view what needs to be done to the original article to make it satisfactory?

Thanks

TimFouracre (talk) 10:04, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Deletion review? — Athaenara ✉ 16:16, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New Kingdom Project

→ in re: KingdomofAngevin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
→ see also: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive531#KingdomofAngevin

Hello, I've enjoyed your comments, and would be delighted if you'd contact me about a new nation project (a constitutional monarchy) we are working on. Our address is thekingdomofangevin@yahoo.com. Your advice could be quite helpful.

Cheers!

KingdomofAngevin (talk) 21:44, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A websearch for "kingdom of angevin" yielded four links, two on angelfire and two on geocities. If you are trying to use Wikipedia for promotion of your project, please read the Wikipedia:Spam guideline, as well as the explanatory material and pages linked there, before continuing. — Athaenara ✉ 22:22, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sober Living by the Sea

→ in re: this edit

Hi there. I noticed you tagged this article by using {{subst:db-g11}}. Please remember that db-tags usually should not be substituted, unlike prod-tags. Regards So Why 12:40, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If template substitution is inadvisable for a template there is normally a caution against it, but in this case it is mentioned neither on the template page (current version) nor on Template talk:Db-meta (current version). Should it be specified there? — Athaenara ✉ 23:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

YTB

→ in re: user Copstead (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
→ see also: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 31#YourTravelBiz.com and user Copstead

Hello, I see that you once again deleted all the changes I made for YTB. Please do not delete since this is the correct information about the company.

1) The company is YTB not YourTravelBiz. The offical name of the company is YTB International, Inc.

2) The information that has been added to the page is negative attack information that has been added by YTB's competitors.

How can we display correct information if it is always deleted. Please help me since I want to have the correct information up there.

Thank you,

Brent Copstead —Preceding unsigned comment added by Copstead (talk • contribs) 00:18, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I posted {{Uw-coi}} information on your talk page regarding the conflict of interest guidelines.

Did you read any of the linked explanatory pages? — Athaenara ✉ 00:24, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Warning

Hello Copstead. I see that you have resumed editing YourTravelBiz.com and related articles without joining in any discussions. It is likely that you will be indefinitely blocked from editing Wikipedia if you are unwilling to engage. You have not replied to the complaint at WP:COIN. EdJohnston (talk) 15:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I read all of the information. I am just trying to put correct information regarding YTB. The information that is located on yourtravelbiz page is created by people who want to attack YTB, and competitors. I just don't understand why you don't want correct information up there? Can you please explain? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Copstead (talk • contribs) 21:52, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tenaya Capital

Dear Athaenara,

The Tenaya Capital wiki page was put up for speedy deletion yesterday. I made edits to the page deleting non-neutral adjectives (such as "~~leading~~ venture capital firm") from the site as well as minimizing links to the Tenaya Capital website, except where appropriate (such as linking to a list of portfolio companies). People curious about the group have been searching Wikipedia for a Tenaya Capital entry. Please consider putting the article back up or giving me feedback on how to improve its format. I appreciate your help!

Cheers, R Champ08

Champ08 (talk) 10:36, 21 April 2009 —Preceding undated comment added 17:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC).[reply]

The Tenayacapital account was blocked (log) at 22:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC). Fifteen minutes later, the Champ08 account was registered (log). The third edit from that account removed the {{db-spam}} tag.[reply]

Have you read the Wikipedia:Sock puppetry policy? — Athaenara ✉ 22:00, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Onyx Pharmaceuticals

→ in re: deleted article; see also User talk:EGagnon7224/Sandbox

Hi Athaenara,
I apologize again for the confusion Monday regarding the Onyx Pharmaceuticals company page. I have posted an updated draft of the article on my talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User talk:EGagnon7224. I expanded on the notability of the company and added additional 3rd party references.

As noted Monday, Onyx Pharmaceuticals is a publicly traded company on NASDAQ (ONXX) with an approved targeted therapy for liver cancer and advanced kidney cancer.

Please review for consideration on Wikipedia and advise on any additional steps necessary for posting this page.

Thanks,
EGagnon7224
EGagnon7224 (talk) 18:08, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As you have previously disclosed, you are "a consultant for Onyx Pharmaceuticals."

I posted {{Uw-coi}} information on your talk page regarding the conflict of interest guidelines (diff).

Did you read any of the linked explanatory pages? — Athaenara ✉ 22:00, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

coming here on another matter, i think that article is close enough to be fixable. We do not prohibit COI, just discourage it. DGG (talk) 21:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

G11

→ in re: {{db-g11}} and articles created by Monika ag (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

I think its use on Sharda group of institutions was perhaps too broad. I take a rather broad view of the criterion myself--PR people frequently complain. But that article was informative in part DGG (talk) 21:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

HELP WITH MY PAGE!

can you figure out how to get the conflict of interest tag off the page i made. please? thank you. and hoping for you speedy reply? do i give you my script? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenneth Cobonpue (talk • contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You described yourself as the "In-house Photographer" on Commons:File:Kclittlepeople.jpg.

You could ask for advice about your dilemma on the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard.

Last week, I posted {{Uw-coi}} information on your talk page regarding the conflict of interest guidelines.

Did you read any of the linked explanatory pages? — Athaenara ✉ 05:33, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

E-Slate article

→ in re: deleted article

Why are you deleting E-Slate article for copyright infringement? I'm one of the E-Slate authors (George Birbilis - http://www.zoomicon.com) and I can't site our text from http://e-slate.cti.gr because some other guys at Edumedia wiki copied the text to their wiki first? (not that I mind them having copied our text there). E-Slate is free educational software used in Greek schools (and in other places in the worlds). Parts of it are opensource (e.g. E-Slate Logo)

Note that E-Slate is historical software (not being actively developed [mostly maintained] since its team has split or left [see www.talent.gr startup] many years ago) and I was at E-Slate team from 1997 to 2001 so I have lots of years detachment from it. The text does need some editing to also add shortcomings of the platform, but is pretty much accurate to what E-Slate offers in the educational and academic spaces. Saying original text can't be reused on Wikipedia even if its authors say it can, just because some others copied it somewhere else first sounds strange to me —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tziortzioti (talk • contribs) 15:11, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your article was tagged {{db-g11}} for speedy deletion as advertising/promotion as well.

{{Uw-coi}} information was posted on your talk page regarding the conflict of interest guidelines (diff).

Did you read any of the linked explanatory pages? — Athaenara ✉ 03:30, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why would I advertise free software that is already established in educational space since before 2000?

Not being part of the software team anymore (the project isn't actively updated, just maintained now), I don't feel I have conflict of interest —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tziortzioti (talk • contribs) 07:56, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't responded on your aledged copyright infringement claim (on which you based the deletion of the article)! Who says text on E-Slate site can't be used (authored by the E-Slate team which I was a part of) just cause someone copied it verbatim at the EduMediaWiki? This is absurd! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tziortzioti (talk • contribs) 08:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You could try Wikipedia:Deletion review. — Athaenara ✉ 09:10, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Viperfly

→ in re: deleted articles

WHY DID YOU DELETE THE PAGE I WAS WORKING ON? THERE WAS NO REASON, I HAD RELIABLE SOURCES. WHY DO YOU PEOPLE ON WIKIPEDIA THINK YOU'RE SO BIG AND BAD JUST CAUSE YOU CAN DELETE SOMEONE ELSE'S PAGE? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Viperfly 19:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I posted {{Uw-coi}} information on your talk page regarding the conflict of interest guidelines (diff).

Did you read any of the linked explanatory pages? — Athaenara ✉ 19:31, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I figured I'd piggyback onto this section to return the clever way you avoided cluttering up my talk page. ;) I was curious, which script/tool/widget/addon/addin/whatever you use for the COI messages? Also I like your userpage design - très chic. Recognizance (talk) 19:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't use scripts but embed all sorts of frequently needed text lines in my Studio page and copy & paste them as needed. Hey, thanks again, very much! — Athaenara ✉ 19:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FNC, Inc.

→ in re: Wfgillis COI and deleted article (log); see also Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 34#FNC, Inc.

Hello,

I was wondering if you could speak with me maybe through email or some other way of communication so I can get my company's page on wikipedia. I know that it keeps getting deleted because the material is said to be a blatant copyright. Is there a way to provide wikipedia with this information so this problem will not occur. I went through our information and tried to change it up so that it would not be a blatant copyright, but it still was deleted. What is the best way to solve this problem. I was wondering if you could tell me in your terms and not wikipedia's automated messages. Thanks alot. Wfgillis (talk) 21:27, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The primary problem is your conflict of interest. {{Uw-coi}} information was posted on your talk page in April regarding Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines (diff).

Did you read any of the linked explanatory pages? — Athaenara ✉ 22:14, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So does this mean that I cannot submit this information to wikipedia. Or when I do it will deleted? I understand the conflict of interest but I am confused about whether or not I can submit this information or not??? Wfgillis (talk) 18:48, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You were given good advice last month on your talk page and on the help desk (Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 April 20#Contributing to Wikipedia). RTFM applies (the "advertisements masquerading as articles" and "how not to be a spammer" sections of the Wikipedia:Spam guideline are helpful). — Athaenara ✉ 02:30, 23 May and 05:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So I read over the different guidelines and articles that you included. I have rewritten the article about FNC but I didn't want to submit it without speaking with someone first. Should repost the article about FNC or should I email or send it to you? I think I have followed the guidelines, as they were pretty self-explanatory and make Wikipedia make more sense to me. Let me know what my next step of action should be, and I'll follow that. Wfgillis (talk) 22:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The most direct approach is simply to create the article in the usual way. New page patrollers will see it, and it will be tagged (or not).

Alternatively, you could create it in your userspace (User:Wfgillis/FNC draft for example) and then explain the situation on the Conflict of interest/Noticeboard and ask for feedback there about its mainspace suitability. — Athaenara ✉ 03:30, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help. 70.150.73.158 (talk) 13:32, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome. — Athaenara ✉ 14:07, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

MENEW

→ in re: deleted article

Hi there,

We just noticed that our page for the band MENEW has been deleted. I was wondering if you could let me know what we had wrong on the page, and what we need to do to get the page up and running again? I'd really appreciate it.

Thank you, Anna —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mctbold (talk • contribs) 17:08, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was spam and had been tagged {{db-g12}} for deletion as copyright infringement.

I posted {{Uw-coi}} information on your talk page regarding the conflict of interest guidelines (diff).

Did you read any of the linked explanatory pages? — Athaenara ✉ 19:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

LDRA page deletion

→ in re: deleted LDRA Ltd and Ldra articles

Hi Athaenara,

I originally posted an LDRA page while ago and it was deleted. I then got some feedback from TexasAndroid who then suggested I come up with something he could go over. I posted a new page based on his suggestions and mentioned it to him for feedback. Before a few hours had progressed, StaticGull (I believe) had marked the page for deletion. I added a "hold on" tag and asked for suggestions prior to deletion since I had gone to great lengths to give 3rd party references and to add meaningful content for unique technologies that have help revolutionized the embedded software testing space.

StaticGull's message: A page you created, LDRA Ltd, has been tagged for deletion, as it meets one or more of the criteria for speedy deletion; specifically, it is about a company or corporation, but it does not indicate how it is important or significant, and thus why it should be included in an encyclopedia. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, and the guidelines for companies in particular.

Vicenarian posted a similar warning. I had a discussion with him on the "discussion page"/talk page for the article. He then gave me some pointers which I followed. I asked for a bit more time to get even more third party references as these technologies are used and referred to by many journals, electronic publications, and companies.

within a few hours I found the page deleted for the same reasons.

On the point that this is a company and the article does not indicate how it is important or significant, I have added very specific details and pointed to third party artifacts validating its place in software testing pecking order.

Even if I were to make all the changes requested, how do I ensure that I'm dealing with a particular admin wikipedia and a different admin with a slightly different interpretation of the rules won't delete the article and all my work?

I have used these tools in the past and found them to be quite extraordinary. I find some of their competitors to be listed very similarly and yet they are able to maintain their content on wikipedia.

I would very much appreciate if I could have some guidance and some sort of consistent review so I may present this material without repeatedly having it deleted.

Best regards,

--Shantabla (talk) 02:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I posted {{Uw-coi}} information on your talk page regarding Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines (diff). Did you read any of the linked explanatory pages? — Athaenara ✉ 02:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any way you can send the deleted article to my email address? Shantabla@yahoo.com. I spent of lot of time reviewing your policies. I understand its better to earn my wiki wings by adding content to other articles and show wiki's well being is first and foremost before adding my own article.

--Shantabla (talk) 20:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As noted on Why was my page deleted?#If all else fails, try another wiki, as well as in a 21:50, 10 June 2009 (UTC) message on your own talk page, Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles is what you seek. — Athaenara ✉ 21:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I need help

→ in re: deleted article (article log talk page log)

You are one of the moderators who deleted my page John Bracamontes.

How can I keep the page up?!

I am a candidate for the Illinois State Representative 2010 election. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbtes (talk • contribs) 03:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I posted {{Uw-coi}} information on your talk page regarding Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines (diff). Did you read any of the linked explanatory pages? — Athaenara ✉ 03:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Prometheus Group/Sock Puppet

Greetings, my account was recently flagged for possibly being a sock puppet of another user, Jl437. To escalate this issue, the article on Prometheus Group was deleted while I was in the process of fixing the page to match Wikipedia's policies.

The copyright and advertising issues can be resolved should the page be re-reviewed, but deleting the page once it has shifted editors doesn't help me to do that.

What would you suggest I do in this case?

K3nsanders (talk) 14:19, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I posted {{Uw-coi}} information on your talk page regarding the conflict of interest guidelines.

Did you read any of the linked explanatory pages? — Athaenara ✉ 14:20, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I did, and I agree there were COI violations in the old version of the page. I'd like to remedy those issues while still meeting the guidelines, but I'm facing two uphill battles *sock puppet/COI problems*.

I'm assuming the sock puppet issues needs to be dealt with before I can fix the article COI issue.

Do you agree?

K3nsanders (talk) 14:26, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Two accounts (or three with the anonIP 70.62.118.144 you used for your first post on the article's talk page) trying to promote their company on this encyclopedia with the same COI will be shot down almost as fast as the promotion was. You should be aware of what you are doing and how it will be perceived. The "advertisements masquerading as articles" and "how not to be a spammer" sections of the Wikipedia:Spam guideline are pertinent. — Athaenara ✉ 14:41, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't deny that the first revisions of the page we're ill-created. However, I'm not attempting to spam. My proxy routes me through the same network, so my IP address won't change from the other account. I would appreciate the chance to rectify these issues. We're simply trying to create an informational page given our ties with SAP. The first person to attempt this, as you noticed, did not come anywhere near close to achieving it. Please allow me to clean up the article, all advertising and promotion will be removed from the page.

K3nsanders (talk) 14:46, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend you take your issues to the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard to get more feedback about the situation and your take on it. Other neutral editors, and particularly admins who will be able to read and compare the deleted versions of the article, may be more helpful than I. — Athaenara ✉ 14:55, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have posted on the noticeboard about both the page deletion and the flagging of my account. Thank you for your redirection and guidance. Hopefully this issue will resolve itself in the near future.

K3nsanders (talk) 15:03, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome. — Athaenara ✉ 15:30, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

MyCeliacID

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Robsdsu
208.77.203.18 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
EGOeditor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Robsdsu (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Hello,

I'm rewriting my MyCeliacID article because it did not meet wikipedia's standards and was categorized as WP:CSD#G11: advertising / promotion.

Can I post my rewritten article in your talk page to get feedback in my bid to meet wikipedia's standards? —Preceding unsigned comment added by EGOeditor (talk • contribs) 20:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posting your article on my user talk page would not be appropriate.

{{Uw-coi}} information was posted on your talk page regarding the conflict of interest guideline.

Did you read any of the linked explanatory pages? — Athaenara ✉ 23:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DeLane Matthews

→ in re: my {{db-g11}} tagging of DeLane Matthews (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) article (diff)
→ see also: DeLane Matthews (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

In regard to this article, it looked like a normal biographical article about a television actress to me, as opposed to being advertising. And her four years in the cast of Dave's World suggests to me that she is notable. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK. With IMDb the only source, it looked like spam to me. — Athaenara ✉ 03:17, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

IF? Records and Little Nobody

→ in re: IF? Records (hist), Little Nobody (hist), {{db-g11}}, and COI spas Nina phunsta, Popstarr69, Shareradar, DSK1984
→ see also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Little Nobody (2nd nomination)

"nina phunsta" is associated with IF Records so there is a clear conflict of interest.

A Google search for nina phunsta adequately demonstrates the above claim when reading through various posts on forums. [1][2] Various forum profiles of nina phunsta contain the IF Records website in their signature. This is in contrast to previous claims that Andrez Bergen is a former writing colleague on nina phunsta's talk page [3][4].

"DSK 1984" is harder to pinpoint as it is a relatively newer handle but a Google search presents forum posts mostly related to IF records.[5]

As for the Little Nobody page:

^ Wayward Seafarers Review, Chris Downton. 3D World, June 2008.

This review does not exist on the 3D World website, the link is to the homepage of that website. There are no other external links under references that can be used to verify any of the text on the Wikipedia page. Some of the articles cited are recent so a link to the article on the web version of the newspapers should be provided. The ABC artist profile is the only reliable source and is dated, from 2003 and refers only to a local dance music scene. Many of the links under External Links are broken.

Much of the information appears to be fabricated as it does not appear anywhere else when performing a Google search. Colloquial language in background information: "Website Little Nobody's dodgy MySpace site". This indicates that the article is largely a puff piece.

Thus, articles related to Little Nobody and IF Records should be removed for: 1. not meeting notability guidelines; and 2. being written in an advertising format 3. large amounts of unverifiable information WaltonSimons1 (talk) 17:28, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(1) No admin has denied the speedy yet but (although it was tagged 12 or more hours ago) neither has anyone deleted it. I agree that it's spam and deserves deletion. The problem may be that, promotional puffery that it is, it's been around for so long, but that can cut both ways. — Athaenara ✉ 18:00, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(2) Jclemens has since declined db-g11 (diff), recommending {{prod}} or AFD. I did a spam cleanup, explaining why in my edit summary (diff). — Athaenara ✉ 04:40, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. The broken external links should also be dealt with according to Wikipedia policy and citations requested for the majority of the information posted. That should allow administrators to conclude that the page does not meet notability criteria and is unverifiable. I will attempt this soon. WaltonSimons1 (talk) 08:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome. Both articles need more {{fact}} tags for specific claims. It's great that you're willing to take the time to check links and references. — Athaenara ✉ 08:16, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tags will have to wait for the timebeing. See [[6]]WaltonSimons1 (talk) 15:25, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there this is David (DSK), I've been following and building on Little Nobody site as an experiment to see how to do this and to try to build a good coverage of Melbournes techno people in general. I'm not an If? Recods person, but a big fan. Any way, I want to see if I can make this better to suit guidelines but I would love help/advice as I'm new at this. Some of the interviews/reviews are from the 1990's so most magazines didn't have Web sites then, so tricky to verify, but I'll try and contact them and see. If I do (somehow!) manage to finds editors/writers, what would you need as proof from them? Thanking you in advance, DSK1984 (talk) 16:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An enyclopedia article doesn't have the same role as websites for artists or record companies. It may be appropriate and even expected that the latter will include reviews, particularly if they're positive, but an encyclopedia article must be neutral rather than promotional (see the Wikipedia neutral point of view policy and spam guideline). — Athaenara ✉ 00:09, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Athaenara

This is David DSK on Wikipedia.

I have a concerns about WaltonSimons1. I noticed he's a new addition, and his sign-up and focus on the Little Nobody entry strangely coincides with a very aggressive individual known as V-Tronon the ITM Forum whose been personally attacking Andrez (Little Nobody) quite publicly on the forum threads there over the past few days.

For instance this posting by him, which openly refers to the Little Nobody entry on Wikipedia: [7]

And this one which has a picture of the Little Nobody Wikipedia revision history - right before WaltonSimons1 got involved: [8]

And this one which refers to smashing both Andrez and seems angry at me too: [9]

I have no proof that this is WaltonSimons1, but the suspicion remains.

So while I think this entry definitely needs attention and clean-up, it may be better if both he/she (and me, if you think appropriate) are removed from the process, to ensure it's fair. Can we ask someone else (or yourself) to follow through? If deletion happens, it would be fair of course, but I worry about this individual. DSK1984 (talk) 16:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article is unlikely to be deleted (see discussion above). — Athaenara ✉ 00:09, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Please let me know if I can help in any way but I think I should stay at a distance on this entry too, right? DSK1984 (talk) 00:15, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Right. — Athaenara ✉ 00:18, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again Athaenara, Looks like the deletion process on Little Nobody is underway again thanks to some more fishing from WaltonSimons1 - If you have time please see his approach to encourage assistance from Lattefever [[10]], but he still has not answered the contesting that he and this V-Tron on the In The Mix forum are the same person. I'm deliberately trying to stay away from the Little Nobody entry as per your advice, but its disappointing to see him doing this. Anyway, sorry to involve you again.DSK1984 (talk) 13:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Little Nobody

Hello again Athaenara, I hope your well, I was finally able to get Andrez Bergen to send us the digital records of a lot of those article/reviews mentioned in the entry on Little Nobody and you can download the set HERE http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T4B96ZLG If you prefer not to download, the folder is 39MB so I am not sure how to get you this. ;-) I hope this helps to make every body satisfied!DSK1984 (talk) 01:58, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Little Nobody was the right place to post that. — Athaenara ✉ 07:14, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Athaenara! DSK1984 (talk) 23:16, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PlanGuru

→ in re: Dennyp22 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and deleted article
→ see also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PlanGuru‎

Hi Athaenara. I noticed you also deleted the article, PlanGuru. User:Dennyp22 (the creator of the article) has been tirelessly bothering me about the deletion of the article (e.g. [11]) , claiming it not to be advertising/spam. If it's not too much trouble, I'd appreciate your input on the situation. Best, FASTILY ^(TALK) 18:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He should realize by now that this really is an encyclopedia, not a free marketing forum, but he can appeal to deletion review if he wishes. Every editor who has seen his article perceived it as spam, and he persisted despite the {{uw-coi}} info posted clearly on his talk page. Whether he read it and ignored it, read it and didn't understand it, or didn't read it at all, he's been told. — Athaenara ✉ 20:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aaron Klein

→ in re: Talk:Aaron Klein/Archive 4#Semiprotection review (article history) (talk page history)
→ see also: previous discussions in User talk:Athaenara/Archive 4#Aaron Klein

21:01, 5 December 2007 Athaenara protected Aaron Klein ‎ (Nearly 30 unregistered anons with same POV persistently impeding WP:NPOV for 1.5 years. Ref Talk:Aaron Klein#Single purpose accounts. [edit=autoconfirmed:move=autoconfirmed])

It's been nearly two years now so I've started a review to see if this semiprotection is still considered necessary. See talk:Aaron Klein. --TS 03:40, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the review is a good idea; thanks for the heads-up. — Athaenara ✉ 07:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just so you know, I've asked for unprotection on WP:RFPP, outlining the situation and referencing the discussion on the talk page. Fingers crossed and eyes wide open. --TS 14:10, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Virtus Investment Partners

→ see also: page log

Hi Athaenara:

Please help me understand the deletion of the Virtus Investment Partners section (link) from the Mutual Funds Families lisiting. Deletion was listed a advertising/promotion and I'm glad to rewrite as necessary. Thanks. jfazz Jfazz (talk) 15:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This was the content of the article as created August 28, 2009 by Donnahall (talk):

"In Latin, Virtus connotes the characteristics of integrity, quality and strength. Those are the traits we stand for today as an investment management provider and the traits that will define us in the future.
"For further information about Virtus and our products, please visit our website at [http://www.virtus.com]."

WWGB (talk) tagged it appropriately for deletion as per {{db-g11}}, which placed it in the Category:Spam pages for speedy deletion. — Athaenara ✉ 19:55, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perfectforms

→ in re: deleted article; see also: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Brentbucci

I recently received a speedy deletion from you for a perfectForms page that I created, on the grounds of notability, however, I have given reason for why this company can be seen as notable in both the article and talk page. I request that you remove the speedy deletion tag. ([12] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brentbucci (talk • contribs) 22:42, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I tagged it {{db-g11}} for speedy deletion as advertising/promotion, not for notability. Did you read the {{uw-coi}} information which was posted on your talk page? — Athaenara ✉ 23:11, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

21 Magazine

→ in re: 21 Magazine AfD and Modelmanager (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Formal Complaint About To Be Filed Against You

You have deleted my work that I had been working on. Please "Respect" my time as I will respect yours. I didn't want to use the heading above to be viewed as a threat in anyway, I am using it to get your attention to help me. I asked the other "admin" people who like to "delete' pages rather than create them to help during this process, I have spent numerous hours trying to work with "admin" with little success. If I don't get a positive solution in 24 hours, I will be filing a formal complaint with Wikipedia. I didn't create the page two years ago, I am merely adding information and solid references along with authorized images only to have them deleted. You want to set up a conference call with me, I will gladly give you my number. Please don't hide behind the internet by being introverted. I realize a lot of you are overweight, unhealthy, and/or not happy with your lives in general (I can help you turn your life around, just ask).

I agree the 21 Magazine page needs to be worked on, but to be fully deleted? I am not looking for any rebuttals from you, I am looking for a solution. If you have the time to delete and make negative comments, you have the time to also help me and make a difference. The point is, please don't burn a bridge with me, help me and we can move forward. Modelmanager (talk) 19:57, 21 October 2009 (UTC)Modelmanager[reply]

Pub Revolution

→ in re: deleted article

Please can you let me know why the Pub Revolution page has been deleted. This is a massively growing movement within the YK and if there has been any direct advertising etc I think this has been done by opponents of the movement in order to "shanghi" the page. Thanks in anticipation of your response. Garry

Sorry, that should read UK not YK. apologies —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.238.109 (talk) 09:36, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Written from the Lesley George user account, it was an exhortation to join "the Pub Revolution Group" with various slogans and a link to a facebook page. It was properly tagged {{db-g11}}, which placed it in the Category:Spam pages for speedy deletion. — Athaenara ✉ 20:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

South Bay Riders

Hello,

I created an article called: South Bay Riders

I understand that it looks like a promotion, but I assure you it's not. One of my 6,000 users requested it. I'm sure that once the page is established it will be edited by the many active members to reflect the uniqueness and very popular forum. There are many things that make SBR unique and it would be nice to have a Wiki page that describes this.

As for news references, there really isn't much out there. Why, because SBR is the news source. We have nearly 900,000 articles and over 200,000 images. We create the news and we do it at no charge.

I hope you reconsider and not delete the page.

Thank you,

Andy Bajka —Preceding unsigned comment added by AndySBR (talk • contribs) 04:08, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't deleted it. Did you read and understand the {{uw-coi}} information which was posted on your user talk page? — Athaenara ✉ 04:25, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

delete me as a contributer

I feel that user contribution should be attributed more and compensated for.

so henceforth I shall not be a contributor of user of wikipedia

delete me from your user database. I no longer wish to be affiliated with such a bogus unbiased fakery of which 99% is cited wrong.

if other individuals wish to waste countless hours updating an encyclopedia for no monetary gain other than for the owners of wikipedia themselves feel free to waste your time and energy in such a fruitless endeavour. For me Duncan Bannatyne put it best "I'm out" --Samuelmunro (talk) 21:45, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Duncan Bannatyne? At any rate, did you read and understand the {{uw-coi}} information posted on your talk page? You may also want to see right to vanish. — Athaenara ✉ 00:00, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Powerglove page

→ in re: Power glove (band), Powerglove (band), Powerglove

Hi Athaenara,

How is everything?

My name is Bassil, and I play in a band called Powerglove. I noticed that in dec '07 you deleted our Wiki page. There doesn't seem to be any explanation in the deletion log. I was just wondering why you decided to delete it.

Also, could we please bring the page back?

Thank you,

CrankFizzburn (talk) 19:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My sole deletion in that regard was this:

20:47, 5 December 2007 [UTC] ... deleted "Powerglove (band)" ‎ (Redirect to expired prod which was deleted.) [CSD G8]

At the time, it was a redirect to another article (log) which had been tagged for deletion:

20:47, 5 December 2007 [UTC] ... deleted "Total Pwnage" ‎ (Expired prod. Concern was: If band isn't notable, how could the album be? External Myspace and VGMix links ...

Articles about the band have been repeatedly deleted:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Power glove (band) (February 2006)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Powerglove (September 2008)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Powerglove (2nd nomination) (June 2009)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Powerglove (3rd nomination) (July 2009)

You may find this information helpful as well. — Athaenara ✉ 00:03, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nailene

Hi Athaenara, I am trying to write a Wiki on Nailene, an artificial nail brand. Can you tell me why the original wiki I posted was deleted? I wrote the piece based solely on facts. If there is any wordsmithing I need to do to ensure its unbiasedness, please let me know. I appreciate your help. Thanks. Tbuenvenida (talk) 23:18, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your article was tagged {{db-g11}} for speedy deletion as unambiguous advertising/promotion. I reviewed the text, saw that it was, and deleted it. I did a google search as well and found that you are the marketing director for your company. Did you read and understand the {{uw-coi}} information posted on your talk page about the conflict of interest issues? — Athaenara ✉ 23:36, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Robotics

→ in re: Canadiansteve contribs including the following:

Robotics Design (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ANAT technology (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ANATROLLER ARI-100 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Self-Reconfiguring Modular Robotics (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I have been informed by many volunteers and staff memebers of my confilct of interst with the subject, and will continue to post based on my knowledge of what i post about. All my articles are neutral and fine additions to wikipedia, if you have a specific problem with any of them, do not hesitate to inform me.Canadiansteve (talk) 21:58, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mitchell 1

I am trying to repost an article (22:52, 18 November 2009 Athaenara (talk | contribs) deleted "Mitchell 1" ‎ (WP:CSD#G11: advertising/promotion. Created by Mathaug, tagged by Cassandra 73.)) that you removed. I have reposted it here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Mathaug&oldid=333133072 if this meets with you appoval, how do I get it properly posted?

Matt Haug —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathaug (talk • contribs) 18:05, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You could try deletion review, but your new version is still quite obviously promotional and lacks any independent sources to verify the subject's notability.

I recommend that you review the {{uw-coi}} information which was posted on your talk page last month. It links policies and guidelines you need to understand. — Athaenara ✉ 20:30, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is a Wikipedia user page.

If you find this page on any site other than Wikipedia, you are viewing a mirror site.

The original page is located at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Athaenara/Archive_7.