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breaking of topic ban.

You received a topic ban from Israel/Palestine area on the 27th of January, logged Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions/Log/2015#Palestine-Israel_articles. User:HJ Mitchell said he would think about it; he didn´t promise to undo it. In spite of this, nearly all your edits since that day have been violations of your topic ban, please stop. Huldra (talk) 17:10, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Which one edit disturb you? None of them touched on Israel-Palestine issues. They were geographical or about towns inside pre-1967 Israel. Ashtul (talk) 17:32, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Sigh, the topic ban is broadly constructed, just stay away from articles on Israel /Palestine. Touching articles like Acre Prison break is clearly forbidden. And then this and this .....in view of this from the same IP? Seriously, Huldra (talk) 17:44, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Acre Prison break came up when I editted Shavei Tzion so I added it. I will not use IP anymore. Ashtul (talk) 17:49, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

• I was seriously considering lifting the topic ban, but you've violated it twice today alone. Sure, adding geographical and similar content to articles about towns in Israel would not be covered by the topic ban, because the topic ban is from the Arab-Israeli conflict rather than anything that concerns only Israel or only Palestine/Arabia, but the Acre Prison break article clearly is covered by the topic ban, as is all of the content you added here. I'm afraid I've blocked you for a fortnight for the violations. That's longer than normal for a first topic-ban violation because of the length of your previous block, but that itself was longer than I would have thought necessary so if you ask me in a week I'll consider lifting the block. If you demonstrate for a few weeks after that that you can stick to the topic ban, I'll reconsider lifting that as well. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:52, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

All of these are about geographical points. Nothing to do with important history or current event.Ashtul (talk) 20:27, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

HJ Mitchell, you keep me blocked while Nishidani keeps doing the exact same thoughtful vandalism I complained about. This edit of Karmei Tzur is another example of his slow, yet systematic (like you could see from the numerous examples I have given) obliteration of pages about settlement. Communal Settlement was written in the page when it was created about 8 years ago but Mr. Nishidani WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT. He has nothing to base his deletion on as a quick [Google search] give over 1,000 results, one even from Nishidani WP:RS, jfjfp.

I was blamed my complaint was about retaliation but here is just another fresh example of his WP:TENDENTIOUS editing, which I cannot see how can ever be justified. I was never called stupid but I still cannot see how can this be regarded as content disputes. Ashtul (talk) 08:33, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Seriously, Ashtul: fresh of a ban, and you start inserting very contentious edits on West Bank settlements? I thought you were still topic-banned? Huldra (talk) 21:50, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Ok, just saw that you are no longer topic-banned. Still edit-warring, though, Huldra (talk) 22:41, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Huldra, edit-warring??? I added simple text about the fact they are YISHUV KEHILATI. That is a fact. You don't like the way it stated on the communal settlement (Israel), change it, but you can't change the facts. In the spirit of peace, how do you want to proceed with it? What wording you suggest? Ashtul (talk) 23:24, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Google books

I see many references from Google book but many of them do not me see the page referenced. What am I missing? Ashtul (talk) 17:38, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Often google-books let you see some of the book, but not all. It depends on geography and time: two people accessing in say, Spain and the US at the same time, might have access to different pages. And the pages you cannot access today, you might have access to tomorrow. If you look at User:Huldra/Sources: I spend quite a bit of time finding which google-ref had "preview", and which had not. And added then link to the one with preview. Huldra (talk) 17:57, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

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What a low blow. If you have spent more then a second you would have realized it is extremely insignificant and Nishidani, in his massive rollback didn't care to keep the relevant changes. This is completely childish. Ashtul (talk) 12:30, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

AE report

• [1], as suggested on HJ Mitchell's page. I'll withdraw the 3RRN report. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:30, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

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Topic ban

Sorry, Ashtul, this brings me no joy, but I think it's necessary. I don't know whether you genuinely don't understand or you're just being duplicitous; I hope the former, but this discussion on my talk page and the talk page thread it relates to demonstrate to me that you are not suited to editing in such a fraught topic area. Just by way of example, the sarcasm in the apology that thread refers to is blindingly obvious, even to me—so obvious that I can quite comfortably comment on it as an admin—and if you can't see that it's either because your politics has got in the way of the objectivity we expect of editors or because you don't understand the meaning of the text.

As such, you are hereby banned from editing an article or page, making any edit, or participating in any discussion relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict anywhere on Wikipedia. This is a discretionary sanction in accordance with WP:ARBPIA. You may appeal this in accordance with the appeals procedure, or you can request reconsideration after not less than six months of constructive editing in another topic area. As an aside, I strongly suggest you find some uncontroversial article work to do in a completely different topic area, otherwise I foresee you getting into more trouble. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:45, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

@HJ Mitchell: No disrespect but I don't agree! Do you speak Hebrew? Ask a friend who does to tell you weather on the video he says he wouldn't have done it.

Yes, he moves on to criticize him on his current politics but between that and blaming him for the death of 106 Arabs there is a big distance.

This is a content dispute with severe WP:BLP and somehow a doubt is more then enough from leaving this recanting in. Nishidani and Co. are practicing Wiki-Blackwashing on every page they focus on and you and other admins enable them.

If you don't change your decision please WP:VANISH my account. I don't think I will have any interest in contributing where this kind of uncontrolled blackwashing is enabled. Ashtul (talk) 21:17, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

I read the snippet linked to from the talk page, using Google Translate (which provides a translation consistent with RolandR's) and it's clearly sarcastic. But it's not just that. I've had concerns since I first came across you, hence the original topic ban. You asked for a second chance, which I reluctantly granted, and the problems have recurred. Yes, some of that might be caused by Nishidani and Nomoskedasticity, but I get the impression that if it wasn't those two it would be somebody else. You don't seem to have understood the requirements for encyclopaedia content, and your talk page comments suggest that you don't understand the issues, while your arguments go round in circles and you accuse other editors of all sorts of things. I don't think you're malicious, but your participation in this topic are has been problematic.

You need to go to WP:BN to request vanishing—it's not something an admin can do. But I suggest you give it a day or two in case you change your mind. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:34, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Somebody should make a list of all the users Nishidani has successfully harassed until they left this project. I can think of at least 5 and probably over 10. You gotta hand it to the guy, he's quite good at what he does. Sophisticated and subtle, usually hitting points people from, shall we say "a certain walk of life" will immediately recognize, but outsiders would probably not. Too bad about the neutrality of the encyclopedia, but what can you do. The admins here are obviously incapable or unwilling to deal with this sort of thing. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 23:56, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

@HJ Mitchell: This is more complex than you just read there. Yes, Drucker criticizes Bennett's politics but his twitt accused him of responsibility for the death of over 100 people based on a conversation Drucker had with some officer. The video has Drucker say in his voice it was a wrong twitt, written without the right context. The fact radical activists like Silverstein and Nishidani disagree means nothing. What happen to BLP?? You maintain info which is doubtful which blames a person for the worst tragedy of the 2nd Lebanon war.

Nishidani is dangerous and poison for Wikipedia b/c many of his edits are changing the small wording. The example I repeated 100 times of changing "Israel maintains" into "Israel sought to justify" is the most blatant POVPUSH I can dream of. If you spend sometime reading through the thausands of words we wrote about Community settlement (Israel) you would see Nishidani misses the point where settlement serves as both West Bank settlement or community settlement. He want me to point to a policy but I couldn't find anything saying WP:editorissimplywrong.

My initial case against Nishidani was with numerous edits of an activist (Nishidani) who doesn't just introduce more material which support his POV (which is fine) but someone who actively tweak the wording to demonize Israel. Ashtul (talk) 02:05, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

• If either of you can provide diffs of misconduct by Nishidani, I'll gladly consider them. Ashtul, I'll make an exception to your topic ban to allow you to file an AE request if you can provide diffs. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:48, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Ashtul will need to do better than the above. Not only is there no difference in English (either in plain meaning or connotation) between "Israel maintains that X is needed for reason Y" and "Israel has sought to sought to justify X as necessary for Y", but the words "Israel has sought to justify" are verbatim from the source. I didn't look at the other examples but if Ashtul's prize charge that he "repeated 100 times" is so content-free as this, it doesn't make a good first impression. Zero^talk 12:28, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

@Zero0000: Your response in an insult to the intelligence of all Wikipedia editors. Let me spell it out for you. According to google vocabulary -

• 'sought' = attempt or desire to obtain or achieve
• 'justify' = show or prove to be right or reasonable

together - attempt to prove to be right or reasonable

• 'maintain' state something strongly to be the case; assert.

If you cannot tell the difference you don't deserve to edit an encyclopedia.

As for the source, Human Rights Watch please check the Criticism section where it's bias is discussed. Even if it is WP:RS it is clearly WP:BIASED. Considering there were multiple other sources including the BBC (which is criticized by both sides for bias which IMHO show it is mostly balanced), tweaking the text based on a biased source is blatant POVPUSHING. Ashtul (talk) 14:39, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

@HJ Mitchell: Here is another column which includes Hebrew video interview with Drucker. The google translation reads "Drucker highlights that he has no complaints about Bennett as an officer, but only as to the function as a politician. "He was real brave Magellan officer, without cynicism," he says, "but very brave politician, although successful, and that's what is most disappointing. Every node which could tell us the truth, to speak out against things were risking their skin, is Always fear. " and there is more. So yes, Drucker is critical of Bennett's bravery as politician but he takes back his comment about Bennett causing the death of over 100 people. Is this enough to lift the topic ban?

As per an AE request, you have preemptively topic banned me for doing exactly that. What have changed? The case was closed in less then a day claiming it was 'content dispute' which isn't actionable. I will look for more evidence if I know someone will actually take it seriously and not topic banned me over an another editor misconduct. Please also see my response to editor Zero above.

In the latest AE case, Nishidani and Co. demanded my topic ban over a sentence that was rewritten (as required) from the source. They have removed it completely while one word can be considered inaccurate, the article says They work shoulder to shoulder with Israelis, so this is a chance for Israelis and Palestinians to work together, to talk to one another, to trust one another. We’re an industry that manufactures peace products. If they (Nomoskedasticity, Huldra and Nishidani) have removed it b/c of 'POVPUSHING', the above change by Nishidani is x10 times that. He was topic ban as part of WP:ARBPIA2 but seems to have very little respect to NPOV (or editors such as myself). Ashtul (talk) 15:05, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

@HJ Mitchell:, I am still waiting for your reply. This twitt led to articles such as this this this and many more. The original author then says "I was wrong, I should have put it in the right context, I don't doubt his conduct, I wouldn't have posting again". Shouldn't that be mentioned? Anyone has a problem with the word 'recanted', fine, we can find another wording, but to completely remove it? I can't think of worse WP:BLP than multiple homicide, war-crime or whatever else people put into it.

I'm looking forward to your reply (and lift of topic ban). Ashtul (talk) 16:09, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

None of these sources states that Drucker apologised or recanted. One of them explicitly confirms my interpretation: "In a sarcastic response, Mr Drucker appeared to question Mr Bennett's integrity, accusing him of using his military service to avoid answering corruption allegations".[2] RolandR (talk) 18:12, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

@RolandR: The article you refer to was writen 5 days before his column of apology on Haaretz and the Nana article. Completely irrelevant. Did you manage to find a computer which will ran the video embedded in that article? Do you believe it should be mentioned Drucker recant/says the twitt was wrong/or anything else that Bennett's behavior that night was OK and that Bennett didn't deserve all the trash that was thrown his way?

Yes, he moves on to criticize him over his current politics but most defiantly take the twitt about Bennetts behavior that night back. You don't like recant, fine, that is a different discussion but it should be mentioned, shouldn't it? Ashtul (talk) 18:41, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

@HJ: I remember you as a good admin so don't take this personally, but that sounds like a complete waste of my time.
@Zero: I see you're still seeking to justify a certain editor's behavior. Sorry, you maintain his behavior is acceptable. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 01:26, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

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