User talk:ArtInspiration4all

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Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:John

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A tag has been placed on Draft:John, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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@ArtInspiration4all the page was deleted, so I will say here what I was going to say in reply to your comment on the talk page of your draft:

The language of the page is highly promotional; instead of describing the subject neutrally, it talks about how great it is and uses advertising-style language.

Do you have some kind of off-wiki connection to the topic being discussed, by any chance? AntiDionysius (talk) 19:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello AntiDionysius,

I understand. However, I disagree with the premise that the page was highly promotional. I mean, I provided mainly third party citations, specially news articles. If you have a better solution to appropriately amend the description of the page, I am very open to hear your suggestions and amendments.

I appreciate your feedback!

Best,

John ArtInspiration4all (talk) 19:26, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The citations aren't the issue, the issue was the language. I don't have line-by-line examples to hand now that the page has been deleted, but the article was written in a style that sounded like its aim was to convince the reader of the quality and uniqueness of its subject (this page gives examples of that kind of language).

Wikipedia's style is meant instead to dispassionately recount the objective facts. Even if there are sources which describe something as great, the Wikipedia page should only include that kind of subjective judgement with attribution: you would never say "the magnificent painting", but might say "the painting, described by [author X] as 'magnificent'". AntiDionysius (talk) 20:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you are deleting my post. Would it be possible for you to refer the article to be written by someone else Wikipedia approves of? ArtInspiration4all (talk) 19:37, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't a mechanism to get other people to write articles for you, I'm afraid. There is a place where one can add to a list of article ideas but it's a very long list and the chances that someone takes your idea up in the near future are slim.

But the article being written by you is only a problem if you do have a personal connection to the subject: do you?

Because if not, there is nothing to stop you trying to write it again, having taken some time to learn about Wikipedia's writing style and how to avoid coming across as promotional. --AntiDionysius (talk) 20:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I do not have a connection to the subject.

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I will go ahead and try to rewrite it to the appropriate specifications.

Thank you! ArtInspiration4all (talk) 22:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Prince of Peace Painting (August 15)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Jdcomix was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)
reliable
secondary
independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Jdcomix (talk) 13:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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AfC notification: Draft:Prince of Peace Painting has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Prince of Peace Painting. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 15:31, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Prince of Peace Painting has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Prince of Peace Painting. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 15:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the link per request. ArtInspiration4all (talk) 15:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Prince of Peace Painting (August 18)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Netherzone was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)
reliable
secondary
independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Can't see how this could possibly meet notability criteria for works of art, it seems like it is based on one event, the fact that the painting was stolen. If anything it could be consolidated in the article on the person who painted it.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Netherzone (talk) 14:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Netherzone,

Thank you for your feedback.

Respectfully, I disagree with your reasons for not accepting the article for submission.

If you read the source material, the "Notability" of the painting is significantly more than just the history and story behind it being stolen. For example, just a few of the sources sited, the original was featured on the Katie Couric Show, featured in the Best-Selling book and movie "Heaven Is For Real" and published in countless media outlets.

If you would like me to add more sources that speak to the "Notability" angle you feel would be appropriate, please let me know, because there are many articles, stories and testimonies from people about this painting.

I look forward to your correspondence on the edits!

Best,

John ArtInspiration4all (talk) 21:50, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]