User talk:Ari T. Benchaim

Joseph Mercola

Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Joseph Mercola. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. [1] --Hipal (talk) 17:05, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

@Hipal: Mercola's receipt of a PPP loan is an unambiguous and attested fact. It is attested by data from the Federal government. It is cited and referenced. It is not, in any conceivable manner, an NPOV violation or personal analysis. At worst, it's undue weight, which is hard to really assert when it's a single sentence in a longer article. Ari T. Benchaim (talk) 17:15, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, no. His business received the loan. The spamming and edit-warring over the info needs to stop, and we need to figure out why it belongs in a biography about the person. --Hipal (talk) 19:17, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

By that rule, a good deal of the article (and similar articles) should be struck because he made his statements under the mantle of corporate personhood. But that's not how Wikipedia works, of course, just as we discuss official statements made by public officers under their personal profiles. This is a patently disingenous attempt to scrub information that is clearly of public interest, well-attested and referenced that you are somehow convinced is unfavourable to Mercola. Ari T. Benchaim (talk) 19:21, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Please review WP:CIVIL and relevant policies/guidelines. ArbEnf applies to biographies. --Hipal (talk) 19:23, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

You're trying to apply the same approach at Sherri Tenpenny. I do appreciate that you have been much more civil. Thank you.

At this point, I'm unclear if you have a feel for the normal editing process and the policies that usually come up when editing casually on non-contentious topics. I've been assuming you are familiar with Wikipedia:Dispute resolution, Wikipedia:Consensus, and Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines.

Working on biographical information about living persons is difficult. Wikipedia's Biographies of living persons policy requires strict adherence to multiple content policies, and applies to all information about living persons including talk pages.

Some topic areas within Wikipedia have special editing restrictions that apply to all editors. It's best to avoid these topics until you are extremely familiar with all relevant policies and guidelines. The Mercola and Tenpenny articles fall under multiple sanctions. --Hipal (talk) 16:57, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

@Hipal: We have a class disagreement, i.e. I believe a particular reasoning is valid and you believe it is not. Consequently, this will affect most things where this reasoning applies. I am willing to concede that there is no firm consensus that such information ought to be included. At the same time, I do not find strong evidence that would make this type of information inadmissible. Companies of eminent reputation that have received PPP loans include Wolfram Research, AccuWeather and Potbelly Sandwich Shop (the latter returned it). PPP loans are mentioned explicitly for a number of organizations that otherwise campaign for restrictions on federal spending, e.g. the Ayn Rand Institute, Americans for Tax Reform and the Claremont Institute – one might potentially make the case that information about PPP loans is more prejudicial than probative in those cases because they amount to a very small percentage of their overall funding and serves to primarily contrast claimed ideological positions with the use of funds in practice. It is included on the page of Sidwell Friends School, widely regarded as an elite school. Over 400 pages link to the Paycheck Protection Program entry, and I would consider that about 40% of those links come from pages of PPP loan recipients. Individuals running companies that are not themselves notable may have mentions of PPP loans, such as John E. James, Jim Justice, Danny Meyer, David Green (entrepreneur), John Katzman and Robin Vos, just to name a few. It is mentioned on the entry for the Poynter Institute. I think based on just this random sample, it is clearly established that such information is seen as 1) relevant, 2) not unduly negative. Ari T. Benchaim (talk) 20:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

WP:OSE

And let's keep any discussion on improving the article on the article talk page. My comment here was to make sure you are aware of the basic policies. --Hipal (talk) 21:42, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Golden Sunrise Nutraceutical, Inc. for deletion

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Bilby (talk) 21:28, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Hotstar COI?

Do you have any specific examples of where the COI is? The editor you cite on the talk page had already been reverted, and their account blocked for violations of the usernames policy. ViperSnake151  Talk  20:41, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Rodoljub Vulovic

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Concern regarding Draft:Golden Sunrise Nutraceutical, Inc.

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Your draft article, Draft:Golden Sunrise Nutraceutical, Inc.

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Omotunde Johnson

His Google Scholar page suggest that he clearly meets WP:PROF

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=0&q=omotunde+e+g+johnson&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5 Inamo11 (talk) 02:04, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

1) This isn't the right place to make this point (put this to the AfD discussion page)

2) None of that is reliable secondary coverage. See WP:SIGCOV. Ari T. Benchaim (talk) 02:25, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Meditation and Yoga Retreat Nomination for deletion

Hi Ari T. Benchaim Hope you are keeping well. I feel The article has been wrongly proposed by you for deletion as the subject of the article holds high importance in the current scenario in the public interest. Meditation and Yoga Retreats has been catching awareness of general public due to many benefits. These centres are situated across the world offering many services. Request to remove the tag.Thanks in advance. Gardenkur (talk) 14:55, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

PROD nominations

Hi. I hope you won't mind me mentioning that the PROD process is intended for uncontroversial deletions only. If you're not sure about whether an article should be deleted - and your repeated rationale of "Notable?" (+ variations: see e.g. Dmytro Kozatsky, Bhushita Ahuja (author)) suggests that you're frequently not - then it's likely that the article requires discussion at AfD, so you may as well go straight there. Ingratis (talk) 09:00, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Your proposed deletion for Eustace IV de watford

I realize that this is not a genealogical website. There is no need to be RUDE. I have added 5 other source. Including one from Cambridge. Nyaytyhyaynyiyeylyluytyeysy (talk) 00:22, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Not being rude. WP:NOTGENEALOGY is the actual policy.

The sources are reliable, but very collateral to the person. I've done an AfD, let's see what others think. Ari T. Benchaim (talk) 00:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

If the sources are reliable as you have just said, why nominate the page for deletion?? Nyaytyhyaynyiyeylyluytyeysy (talk) 00:29, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

• Because being mentioned in WP:RS does not, in and of itself, establish notability. Please read WP:GNG, then WP:ANYBIO. Ari T. Benchaim (talk) 00:32, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps you could aid me in making the page more relevant, by editing the article yourself?? Nyaytyhyaynyiyeylyluytyeysy (talk) 00:32, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Editing will not make a non-notable historical figure notable. If you think he was notable, then show why. Ari T. Benchaim (talk) 00:33, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

I will also admit that i am relatively un-experienced in Wikipedia, so your help would be greatly appreciated Nyaytyhyaynyiyeylyluytyeysy (talk) 00:34, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

How to i plead my case that he is notable?? Nyaytyhyaynyiyeylyluytyeysy (talk) 00:34, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Here's WP:ANYBIO, the main guideline for people:

1. The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times; or
2. The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field; or
3. The person has an entry in a country's standard national biographical dictionary (e.g. the Dictionary of National Biography).

Which of these does Eustace meet? Ari T. Benchaim (talk) 00:45, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

SwissWatchExpo

Hello, Ari T. Benchaim,

If an editor removes a PROD tag, you can't re-add it if you disagree with their reasons. An article or file can only be PROD'd once and any editor can remove a PROD tag for any reason, good or bad. So, please do not do this again. If you disagree, nominate the article for deletion at WP:AFD. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:00, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Vote

Hi Ari T. Benchaim, is it true that I cannot vote as this user stated?[2] If so, could you provide me with a link to a guide that talks about this? Thank you.--Mhorg (talk) 21:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Mhorg. I am far from being the arbiter of all things wiki rules. In general, there are two things to consider. First, *fD in wikipedia is not a majority vote (WP:PNSD). You are not enjoined from 'voting', but your word as the page creator is going to mean fairly little. Just as my word would mean very little in the face of more experienced Wikipedians who might have better judgment and a better sense of what the rules mean. Second, you're welcome to vote, although it's not always a good idea. In general, voting is secondary to Wikipedians expressing their views of why, not if, an article ought to be deleted. Vote away, but article creators responding to every comment in favor of deletion is generally seen as more a nuisance than constructive.Ari T. Benchaim (talk) 02:39, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for you answer :) Mhorg (talk) 07:30, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Hey,

I seem to have offended you with the WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT tag on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kelsey_Phelps_Finch , so I wanted to clarify why I put it there, because I evidently wasn't clear on the page. It wasn't aimed at you at all, but the people who replied with unsupported one-liners like "nonnotable." For those who leave such one-word opinions, the tag is appropriate. In the segment on AfD discussions, the policy advises against exactly these sorts of bare expressions of disinterest: "To decide what should be in [Wikipedia] purely on the basis of what is merely popular or interesting to whatever small group of editors happens to be around at the time that a discussion is had, is to head down the road towards chaos and confusion."

Peace,

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Thank you! I hope the weather is wonderful on whatever planet you are, where it's Halloween! :-) Enjoy! Ari T. Benchaim (talk) 00:29, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Golden Sunrise Nutraceutical, Inc.

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