User talk:Abigailbassett
July 2024
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Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "Abigailbassett", may not meet Wikipedia's username policy because it is the same as that of a notable person. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. As an alternative, you may ask for a change of username by completing the form at Special:GlobalRenameRequest, or you may simply create a new account for editing. BullDawg2021 (talk) 02:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am Abigail Bassett an American Journalist--that is me. It does not violate the policy because I am that person. Thank you. Abigailbassett (talk) 15:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Abigailbassett Assuming that you are Abigail Bassett, you should likely avoid editing your own page. Writing on Wikipedia as an autobiography is strongly discouraged per WP:Auto. You should really only edit your own biography if it is unambiguous vandalism or clear-cut and serious violations of Wikipedia's biography of living persons policy. Please check WP:COIREQ for suggesting edits to your biography. Thank you. BullDawg2021 (talk) 20:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know. I got a spam email about a wiki page that was about me being deleted and am completely new at this. Apparently the page literally just went up two days ago (I didn't make it, and already it's being deleted, so that's awesome) Well see if it gets deleted since apparently I (the actual real life person) have zero input on it. Seems like a pretty messed up "system" to this journalist.... Abigailbassett (talk) 02:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Who did you pay to create the article? S0091 (talk) 15:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't pay anyone! I got an unsolicited email about a page that had been created about me. That's how I found the page. I emailed this person back but the email address failed (gmail tried for three days but it couldn't find the domain...). I'd NEVER pay to have a page put up about me--it goes against my code of ethics. Abigailbassett (talk) 15:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! Please see WP:SCAM and please send any info you have to paid-en-wpwikipedia.org. The editor who created the article was just blocked for violating Wikipedia's Terms of Use and other dubious activities. S0091 (talk) 16:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oh and the article will likely be deleted but if you desire a Wikipedia article about you, see Your first article. You can create a draft and submit it for review using Articles for Creation which is the recommended process for those with a conflict of interest. Drafts do not have the same restrictions as articles so you are free to create/edit a draft. S0091 (talk) 16:09, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sure you're right. I hate that someone created it (with tons of inaccuracies) about me, and tried to fix it myself, but clearly have zero idea about any of the procedures here. I forwarded the email I got to the email address you suggested. The person said that if the page was deleted, I couldn't use the same name to build a new one. Is that accurate? (from the email: "Please be advised that once your details are sent over for the deletion and the page is deleted, the same content and title will not be usable for the next entry.") Does that mean that all the actual experience and clips I have wouldn't be able to be used for another page? I can't change what I have done (or the awards that I've won etc.) I'm not sure if you saw in the deletion discussion but I included references for all my work. I'm also referenced in an existing Wikipedia article. I can repost here if it's helpful. I just don't want to end up in a position where, should I decide that I actually want a page in the future, and I can't because someone else took that opportunity from me. Abigailbassett (talk) 16:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- No, that's a lie. An editor in good standing, which you are, can recreate it. Let the AfD play out in case it is kept, which if it is riddled with errors I hope it's not. You can also request in the AfD it be deleted due to your concerns which will probably hold some weight given you are subject, then start over with a draft. S0091 (talk) 16:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sure you're right. I hate that someone created it (with tons of inaccuracies) about me, and tried to fix it myself, but clearly have zero idea about any of the procedures here. I forwarded the email I got to the email address you suggested. The person said that if the page was deleted, I couldn't use the same name to build a new one. Is that accurate? (from the email: "Please be advised that once your details are sent over for the deletion and the page is deleted, the same content and title will not be usable for the next entry.") Does that mean that all the actual experience and clips I have wouldn't be able to be used for another page? I can't change what I have done (or the awards that I've won etc.) I'm not sure if you saw in the deletion discussion but I included references for all my work. I'm also referenced in an existing Wikipedia article. I can repost here if it's helpful. I just don't want to end up in a position where, should I decide that I actually want a page in the future, and I can't because someone else took that opportunity from me. Abigailbassett (talk) 16:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- And also pinging @RoySmith who is the administrator who blocked the user, Comintell, so they are aware of this discussion. I believe they also have access to the above referenced email (only a very limited group of editors with special permissions have access). If you do send an email, please let us know. S0091 (talk) 16:20, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Email sent. Also here are the details I included to "verify" in the other deletion thread: "Hi there, I'm Abigail Bassett (the actual journalist that this page is about) and I have no idea how it was created, and I see that it was only built a few days ago. I received a random (questionable) email message about it and have been working on updating and editing it to meet Wikipedia needs and to be accurate to my career. I won the Peabody as part of the team that produced coverage of Hurricane Katrina at CNN, and I won two Emmy's for my work on Lou Dobb's Tonight's Education and Immigration series. Here is the Peabody link I was part of the CNN Presents production, and worked for Anderson Cooper during that time. Here is a link to the Lou Dobbs Emmy the staff won. Also, here is the Wikipedia link to his profile which also confirms this. I have also appeared on camera for CNN (a couple of sample links are here and here) I'm happy to provide more if needed. My work is also referenced in this Wikipedia article about Fisker. Abigailbassett (talk) 16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- The email will not help with the article so apologies I did not make that clear. Functionaries (the ones who have access) do not make content decisions like this, nor do administrators. Based on what you say though, it sounds like you meet Wikipedia's notability criteria (see WP:JOURNALIST). Because of who created the article it meets speedy deletion criteria (meaning it could be deleted now) but because there is an active discussion at WP:AfD, I am not sure what will happen. Consensus based on editor's !vote may be to speedy delete it or the discussion may continue. Generally, 'normal' AfDs last at least a week. S0091 (talk) 16:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I meant I forwarded the email to paid-en-wpwikipedia.org. I suppose I'll just hang tight until a final decision is made? Will I get some kind of notification? Also, thank you so much for your help. I'm a total newbie (obviously) and appreciate your kindness and patience. Abigailbassett (talk) 16:56, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes you can wait. If you would rather the current version be deleted so you can start over, then say so in the AfD. You will not get a notification so you will have to check back. It will be formally WP:closed by an uninvolved editor with a closure statement at the top. This is an example of one being kept and this is an example of one being deleted. Note the title of the article stays blue if kept and turns red if deleted (red links means a page does not exist). The link to this one is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abigail Bassett. S0091 (talk) 17:09, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Do you mind if I place the conflict of interest template on your User page, User:Abigailbassett, per WP:COIDECLARE? You have declared and of course your username makes it obvious so it equates to paperwork but it is the expectation. I'd rather you not get any hassle about it. S0091 (talk) 17:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- That's totally fine. I didn't know when I tried to correct it, that I wasn't allowed to. *shrug* Abigailbassett (talk) 17:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- As long as it wont affect my standing as an editor in case I do decide to create a new page in the future, too. I'll be ok, right? Abigailbassett (talk) 17:28, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. You will in better standing by making a formal declaration actually. This is will placed on your User page not the article. The reason you cannot edit the article directly is because of your COI and is why if the article is deleted, you will need to go through the draft process. They are different 'spaces'. Articles are the real deal and what gets indexed by search engines, etc. Drafts are behind the scenes, still publicly viewable as is everything on Wikipedia including this talk page, but not official articles. However, if a draft is 'accepted' it becomes an article. An example of a draft is Draft:Christian Dominic Boyd. This one was submitted for review and declined (by me) but notice the Draft: prefix. If it were accepted it would become Christian Dominic Boyd and be a blue link along with being indexed, etc. S0091 (talk) 17:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Abigailbassett (talk) 17:56, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- You are learning more about Wikipedia than you ever wanted to know. :) S0091 (talk) 18:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- You aren't kidding! Ha. It's actually kind of given me an idea for a story--Wikipedia seems to be one of the last places on the internet that is still old-school--in terms of mods, and rules, and people just volunteering to help make it better. Honestly, as much of a pain as this has been for me personally (and professionally), its pretty inspiring to see--just given the state of our world. Abigailbassett (talk) 18:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly, someone needs to write about the scams because people get scammed out of thousands of dollars, thus WP:SCAM because of all the complaints and stories similar to yours. Luckily you didn't fall for it but many do and I don't think much of anything has been written about it. S0091 (talk) 18:13, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- You aren't kidding! Ha. It's actually kind of given me an idea for a story--Wikipedia seems to be one of the last places on the internet that is still old-school--in terms of mods, and rules, and people just volunteering to help make it better. Honestly, as much of a pain as this has been for me personally (and professionally), its pretty inspiring to see--just given the state of our world. Abigailbassett (talk) 18:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- You are learning more about Wikipedia than you ever wanted to know. :) S0091 (talk) 18:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Abigailbassett (talk) 17:56, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. You will in better standing by making a formal declaration actually. This is will placed on your User page not the article. The reason you cannot edit the article directly is because of your COI and is why if the article is deleted, you will need to go through the draft process. They are different 'spaces'. Articles are the real deal and what gets indexed by search engines, etc. Drafts are behind the scenes, still publicly viewable as is everything on Wikipedia including this talk page, but not official articles. However, if a draft is 'accepted' it becomes an article. An example of a draft is Draft:Christian Dominic Boyd. This one was submitted for review and declined (by me) but notice the Draft: prefix. If it were accepted it would become Christian Dominic Boyd and be a blue link along with being indexed, etc. S0091 (talk) 17:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I meant I forwarded the email to paid-en-wpwikipedia.org. I suppose I'll just hang tight until a final decision is made? Will I get some kind of notification? Also, thank you so much for your help. I'm a total newbie (obviously) and appreciate your kindness and patience. Abigailbassett (talk) 16:56, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- The email will not help with the article so apologies I did not make that clear. Functionaries (the ones who have access) do not make content decisions like this, nor do administrators. Based on what you say though, it sounds like you meet Wikipedia's notability criteria (see WP:JOURNALIST). Because of who created the article it meets speedy deletion criteria (meaning it could be deleted now) but because there is an active discussion at WP:AfD, I am not sure what will happen. Consensus based on editor's !vote may be to speedy delete it or the discussion may continue. Generally, 'normal' AfDs last at least a week. S0091 (talk) 16:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Email sent. Also here are the details I included to "verify" in the other deletion thread: "Hi there, I'm Abigail Bassett (the actual journalist that this page is about) and I have no idea how it was created, and I see that it was only built a few days ago. I received a random (questionable) email message about it and have been working on updating and editing it to meet Wikipedia needs and to be accurate to my career. I won the Peabody as part of the team that produced coverage of Hurricane Katrina at CNN, and I won two Emmy's for my work on Lou Dobb's Tonight's Education and Immigration series. Here is the Peabody link I was part of the CNN Presents production, and worked for Anderson Cooper during that time. Here is a link to the Lou Dobbs Emmy the staff won. Also, here is the Wikipedia link to his profile which also confirms this. I have also appeared on camera for CNN (a couple of sample links are here and here) I'm happy to provide more if needed. My work is also referenced in this Wikipedia article about Fisker. Abigailbassett (talk) 16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oh and the article will likely be deleted but if you desire a Wikipedia article about you, see Your first article. You can create a draft and submit it for review using Articles for Creation which is the recommended process for those with a conflict of interest. Drafts do not have the same restrictions as articles so you are free to create/edit a draft. S0091 (talk) 16:09, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! Please see WP:SCAM and please send any info you have to paid-en-wpwikipedia.org. The editor who created the article was just blocked for violating Wikipedia's Terms of Use and other dubious activities. S0091 (talk) 16:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't pay anyone! I got an unsolicited email about a page that had been created about me. That's how I found the page. I emailed this person back but the email address failed (gmail tried for three days but it couldn't find the domain...). I'd NEVER pay to have a page put up about me--it goes against my code of ethics. Abigailbassett (talk) 15:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Who did you pay to create the article? S0091 (talk) 15:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know. I got a spam email about a wiki page that was about me being deleted and am completely new at this. Apparently the page literally just went up two days ago (I didn't make it, and already it's being deleted, so that's awesome) Well see if it gets deleted since apparently I (the actual real life person) have zero input on it. Seems like a pretty messed up "system" to this journalist.... Abigailbassett (talk) 02:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Abigailbassett Assuming that you are Abigail Bassett, you should likely avoid editing your own page. Writing on Wikipedia as an autobiography is strongly discouraged per WP:Auto. You should really only edit your own biography if it is unambiguous vandalism or clear-cut and serious violations of Wikipedia's biography of living persons policy. Please check WP:COIREQ for suggesting edits to your biography. Thank you. BullDawg2021 (talk) 20:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Let's start over
[edit]Hi Abigail as I thought, the article was deleted. Yesterday I reached out to fellow editor @JSFarman who specializes in expanding Wikipedia's coverage on women and she enthusiastically agreed to help you create a new article. If you click on her name above, you can read a little about her background. Where you will be the most helpful is finding sources that have written about you or about your work which is usually difficult when writing about a journalist. It is possible you still may not meet the inclusion criteria but I think an article about you has a good shot so lets give it a try, without scammers this time. S0091 (talk) 15:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks so much, @S0091 I REALLY appreciate your help. Let me see if I can find an article about me--There is one that was about my work as a yoga teacher that includes some of the stuff about my journalism work. Would this work? I did an interview with the reporter who then wrote the story. Abigailbassett (talk) 16:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Q&A interviews are primary sources (what you say about yourself) so not useful for notability. I did do a search on ProQuest but the only sources I found, outside of articles you have written, was where you were finalist for a Chicago Auto Show award but it's just a brief mention and press release by Thirstie but that's primary source so not helpful for notability. The source you link to for the Peabody award doesn't mention you so not helpful and I looked on the Emmy site but nothing there. No doubt you won them but we need third-party sources. I spun up draft, Draft:Abigail Bassett, to get something started where we can collect sources but this could be a case of WP:TOOSOON, meaning qualifying sources do not exist today but may later. It is not uncommon for editors to start drafts and work on them over a long period of time until there's enough to meet notability. Do feel free to add sources, even the interview. Since it's a draft you can contribute and don't worry about formatting. S0091 (talk) 17:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- It can be incredibly difficult for journalists to meet the inclusion criteria -- most publications/media outlets don't want to cover unaffiliated journalists. I set a Google alert and will add to the draft if/when promising sources turn up. (Thanks for pinging me, S0091.) JSFarman (talk) 21:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Q&A interviews are primary sources (what you say about yourself) so not useful for notability. I did do a search on ProQuest but the only sources I found, outside of articles you have written, was where you were finalist for a Chicago Auto Show award but it's just a brief mention and press release by Thirstie but that's primary source so not helpful for notability. The source you link to for the Peabody award doesn't mention you so not helpful and I looked on the Emmy site but nothing there. No doubt you won them but we need third-party sources. I spun up draft, Draft:Abigail Bassett, to get something started where we can collect sources but this could be a case of WP:TOOSOON, meaning qualifying sources do not exist today but may later. It is not uncommon for editors to start drafts and work on them over a long period of time until there's enough to meet notability. Do feel free to add sources, even the interview. Since it's a draft you can contribute and don't worry about formatting. S0091 (talk) 17:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC)