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Happy editing! I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 20:55, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello! 2601:547:CB00:3D40:C4AA:8517:9872:F0E1 (talk) 21:00, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Paul Desmond

Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! Could you please provide a reliable source that Desmond is not of Czech-Jewish descent? Thank you and happy editing! TeaLoverHistoryGuy (talk) 22:02, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

The onus of proof is not on me to state that Mr. Desmond is *not* of Czech-Jewish descent, but on those who assert that he *was*. Not sure if you read the entire WP article, or you're just tracking me for some reason. (BTW, I am far from new to WP; I simply choose not to create an account. WP needs some new boilerplate to cover this reality accurately.)

This issue goes back to September 16, 2020, where as editor 71.112.244, I wrote the following:"Cultural misappropriation based upon speculation. There is no actual historical or genealogical *proof* that Paul Desmond himself, or any member of his immediate family, was of Jewish ancestry, despite even the speculations of Mr. Desmond and/or his father. Vague, many-decades-old references to certain regional surnames possibly linking to one religion or another do not constitute the absolute proof required of genealogical accuracy. Therefore, such claims cannot be made."

The reason I made the edit in 2020 and wrote the above, was because the reference to the cited book does not show proof that Mr. Desmond's family was of Jewish descent. It merely speculates without documentation. Again, the onus of proof is upon those who would make the claim without presenting documentation of proof. This fact also must be considered in the context that Mr. Desmond's family did not identify as Jewish, nor observed Jewish traditions. This fact leaves important unanswered questions.

Simply because someone writes that there is proof (and fails to demonstrate it) doesn't mean such proof exists. Any possible connection can only be considered at this point in time as speculative. The "proof" in the article seems to go like this: "There were once some people with a certain surname in a certain part of the world who played music and were of a specific heritage. Therefore, a person, with the same surname who also plays music, is of the same heritage." Any Logic 101 professor would trash that conclusion in a heartbeat. Furthermore, there are plenty of people in the referenced part of the world who have the same family names who aren't Jewish. They simply have German-language surnames found in Austria.

Mr. Desmond's family may actually have, or not, Jewish roots; however, to simply cite a book title without supplying actual nature of said "proof" does not cut the WP mustard.

Please undo your revert of my revision until the time where Mr. Desmond's lineage can be conclusively determined with actual documentation of his lineage, which doesn't rely on speculation. 2601:547:CB00:3D40:C4AA:8517:9872:F0E1 (talk) 23:00, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

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