User:Targetter/Archive 1

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Hey!

Hi Targetter. I noticed you patrolling new pages and clicked onto your userpage. You may be a relatively new Wikipedian, but you are certainly a positive contributor, and I'd love to see more of you around. Have you tried using Voice of All's non-admin JS tools to aid in recent change patrolling? I'm sure you'd find them useful (I certainly do). Anyway, see you around. Dios! haz (us e r talk) 18:36, 24 June 2006

Call for Help

I have a question for administrators. Can I recommend that an admin take a look at a page to make sure it falls under the category of a vanity page before I tag it as such and possibly make a mistake in doing so? If so, where do I make my request?

Admins are really only needed for admin things (protection, blocking, deleting) - I think you just want any user to check for a mistake. There isn't a central place to ask for this that I can think of, so it's probably best to ask on the talk page of the article in question. It is a wiki, so if you make a mistake hopefully someone will fix it.--Commander Keane 21:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

redirect for deletion

Don't bother setting up a discussion for Sir Winston Boogie that redirected to his userpage. Userpage redirects fall under the criteria for speedy deletions. Joyous! | Talk 20:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Censorship

I've blocked him for 24 hours for 3RR violations. I'd recommend trying to get him to discuss his point of view (and maybe explaining yours) while he's gone. --InShaneee 01:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:Userbox scorpion.jpg)

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Ahoy!

Hello, Targetter. I just wanted to say thanks for adding that comment to my talk page. I'm already having a great time here. Cheers. -- GarnetPrincess 00:31, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

WoW

Willy on Wheels did a complicated pagemove attack on Turkey, and in an effort to fix it, I accidentally created a duplicate copy called Turkey (Country). I think the one with the longer history Turkey (Country) is the correct copy, and should be moved to Turkey, but Turkey is all screwed up from that attack. Can an Admin fix it, please??? Targetter 01:41, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

No problem, Targetter. It seems Willy has learned some new tricks :( - Tangot a ngo 01:49, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Snake Liquid

Not really a personal attac and I've never been to happy about blocking due to civility problems.Geni 02:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

You read my mind.

I've just finished writing a long explanation at the talk page about why people prefer Fair Use over Free Use. I've seen it in other articles, and the whole matter sucks if you ask me, but WP doesn't care if policy sucks. You do it because it's good for Wikipedia. In the YTMND community, they hate Eric Bauman's tactics. I let them know that if the Happycat image stays the way it is, they'll probably end up doin what Bauman does: sell others' content without permission, royalties and credit. --LBMixPro ^<Sp ^e ^ak|on|it!>

Your {{helpme}} tag

I've expended nearly every resource I could muster to ward off the YTMND vandals who continue their NEDM chants in the Talk:British Shorthair page. I would like to know if there's any way to speedily close a debate and have an administrator make some sort of final ruling over the issue. If there is, could that method be placed on my talk page?

The best thing to do, in my opinion, would be to bring it up on WP:AN/I and ask instead of using the helpme tag. While being an admin is fun and all and you get perks like the discount at McDonald's, sadly we're not allowed to speedy-close debates like this. :( ~Kylu (u|t) 03:32, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Happycat

Thanks for your attention to the NEDM vandalism. It is unfortunate that some YTMND'ers choose to vandalize Wikipedia as part of fads. I have left some comments at Talk:British Shorthair. Is there anything I can do to help? --Ptkfgs 05:33, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the backup, ptkfgs. I'm just about wikibroken from this. What I'm gonna need is some more admin support and hopefully some sort of final ruling about the issue from Someone! I know Wikipedia is a tough place to do it. From what I understand, not even admins can give final rulings on debates. I don't see this going to the Mediation Committee since I doubt the YTMNDers would be willing to negotiate. You're right. It's fad-related vandalism, that somehow slipped its way into a debate. If anything else, I need some general advice.

Also, I don't know if it's possible, but is there any way to detect whether or not a lot of these editors first set foot in Wikipedia after this fight broke out? There's stuff on YTMND encouraging attacks on Wikipedia as a result of a comment by JzG. See here-> wikiwankersnedm.ytmnd.com --Targetter 05:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know, the only way for a non-admin to determine when a user joined wikipedia is by looking at the contrib history of the user. I think getting the page semi-protected was a good plan -- at least that way newly-created users can't vandalize the page. I doubt that this will go on long enough for any accounts created during this period to become eligible to edit the page (YTMND has a pretty short fad turnover), but if it does, I think requesting full protection would help as well.

Posting on AN/I was probably a good plan too, since it's (seemingly) not just a case of a few IP's that need to be blocked. Hopefully some admin will look into the situation (this time of night is a slow period for admin action, in my experience) and if it's just 5-10 IP's they can be handled for personal attacks or vandalism.

In any case, I doubt this will be a long-term problem. --Ptkfgs 05:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I've been watching this since the beggining,it could be worse(such as the picture of a penis in the front page once with the Bulbasaur featured article). In any cause I doubt YTMND to cause a war over this,they've been quiet. I applaud you and the rest for doing a good job. However it seems JzG(or whatever) is actually provoking them. And the trolling must stop,don't you agree? --The jazz musician 18:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

When you act like you're in sole control of an article, is when people point the finger and call you an elitist. Probably also why YTMNDers made a target of you. It's a problem with a lot of people here that act "my way or the highway" when it comes to article editing.--Snake Liquid 22:28, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, there have been no cases of vandalism on my pages, which is very fortunate that nobody has escalated this problem into user page vandalism. Your comments are welcome on my talk page, however, I do not appreciate how hostile you have been throughout this issue. And, looking at your talk page, I'm sorry to say that I think a few more members than just me seem to think you have a civility problem. Please, discontinue this hostility and begin debating this issue with some reason, instead of just flaming others and claiming elitism because a group of wikipedia members prefer against having NEDM on a cat breed description page. --Targetter 01:45, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

And now that I've seen the remmants of the Talk:British Shorthair page, I'm glad to see this issue be put to rest. I'm moving on to some new articles (Although, British Shorthair could use some work. --Targetter 01:52, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

"Please, discontinue this hostility and begin debating this issue with some reason, instead of just flaming others and claiming elitism because a group of wikipedia members prefer against having NEDM on a cat breed description page." What are you kidding me? With facism like this? Your own words: "This isn't a vote. It's a debate. Even if YTMND gets a bunch of people together to support Happycat, the admins have the final say. --Targetter 02:30, 30 July 2006 (UTC)" What's the point of debating the issue with some reason if you're going to ignore it anyway and say things like that? Are you an admin? If you are, who approved you? There are some serious problems with Wikipedia overlords here.--Snake Liquid 17:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

That's it. I've called an admin about your harassment. The NEDM issue from what I can see is closed. --Targetter 17:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Harassment? No such thing. I called you on a point, and I'm right, so you're mad. Answer my question. What's the point of debating if you're just going to ignore it and edit it to be your way in the end?--Snake Liquid 17:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I didn't ignore your remarks, Snake. You seem to be rather upset that NEDM didn't win this debate. If you remember, there were several admins, like JzG & ~~ptkfgs~~A Man In Black (I won't name them all, you can look yourself), that agreed with my arguements. And no, I'm not an admin, but every user on wikipedia has the right to debate an article until the issue closes, no matter how long it takes, and no matter how many talk page edits it takes. Now, get off my talk page. I am done debating this issue. --Targetter 17:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

FWIW I am not an admin. —ptk★fgs 00:51, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Opps. Well... A Man In Black is, and he supported me too! --Targetter 00:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not. I'm not upset that the NEDM issue lost, but I'm not the only person who's nerves you got on with the choices of words you made, with blocking people that make edits to the article. Not cool. And plus, I'm wondering why the Happy cat isn't listed under the Famous Shorthairs section, while other cats used on pet food are. Not for NEDM but for the pet food. Care to explain?--Snake Liquid 17:59, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Dude, I didn't make the remarks saying NEDM posters would be blocked. I may have suggested vandals should be blocked, but it was JzG that said he'd block YTMNDers... "We now have the usual idiocy, a YTMND actively soliciting YTMNDers to come and vandalise this article. Any who do, I will block. Just zis Guy you know? 15:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC) " As far as happycat is concerned, if you put Happycat on for being the russian cat food cat, then FINE! That's Okay! Just not for NEDM. --Targetter 18:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

--Targetter 18:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

RfC

Hello: There is an RfC on Snake Liquid which you may wish to comment on. --Emufarmers^(T/C) 05:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Deal or No Deal UK Version

They seem to have stopped for now, I'll keep an eye on it. — FireFox ^(talk) _{11:51, 01 August '06}

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guardians of High Charity + Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Freelancer: Combat Evolved

Thanks for supporting the AfD on "Guardians of High Charity"! However, there is another page which I also put down for AfD - Freelancer: Combat Evolved. It is a Halo 2 mod, and my reason for the AfD was for vanity and inconsequentialism.

The AfD discussion can be found at the following - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Freelancer: Combat Evolved.

Thanks!

Cheers,

Relentless Rouge 01:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Snake Liquid

You know, with that slippery slope he is going toward, I think that one final chance that I advocated will run out soon for him. I am holding out hope for him though, but I think I am preaching to the choir on this one. Do you think so?Arbiteroftruth 23:53, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I think we should close the RfC, move on, and not count anymore of Snake's arguements on the RfC against him. Keep him on your watch page, and if he gets unruly one more time (on another article or talk page), block him. --Targetter ^{(Lock On)} 23:56, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, please, let's close it and move on. —ptk⁂fgs 23:59, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
  - Arbiter, how about we discuss this further between you and me instead of behind my back with other people that aren't even admins? Okay?--Snake Liquid 00:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
    - Hey, if you want to talk to him, talk to him on HIS talk page, not mine! --Targetter ^{(Lock On)} 00:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
      - I actually did. I did it here too just to be safe and make sure he noticed. Nothing against you.--Snake Liquid 00:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

RFC: Snake Liquid (Draft)

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Snake Liquid (talk · contribs · logs)

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Snake Liquid has repeatedly removed warnings and messages from his talk page, and has made numerous personal attacks against other users. He has refused to compromise or modify his behavior, despite the efforts of several others.

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Begninning with apparent disputes over Solid Snake and British Shorthair, Snake Liquid has become embroiled in a conflict with the users who have posted on his talk page (User:RandyWang, User:Ptkfgs, User:Targetter, and User:Gwernol in particular). Two Wikiquette alerts have been posted in the last few days on his behavior (29 July 2006 and 31 July 2006), both of which he has responded angrily to. I (Emufarmers) have also posted on the help desk and then the Administrators' noticeboard.

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Targetter's talk page: [20]

The Bread's talk page: [21]

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--Emufarmers^(T/C) 04:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
—ptk✰fgs 05:22, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Targetter ^{(Lock On)} 05:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
This user has acted with a total lack of civility, in almost all his dealing with other users. RandyWang (^raves/_{review me!}) 08:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

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Let's review the biased odds.

You've got nothing on me as far as my User page goes. You cannot deny the way certain people act on here and go unnoticed without blatantly lying about it. And, should you choose, you will find on several talk pages that I have made the same complaints against users such as A Man in Black and Gwernol as others have in the past. It's not as though I simply arrived out of nowhere and started trouble. Actually, I fell in with the rest who were pointing out contradictions and elitist behavior displayed by other users. See also Discussion on Solid Snake, starting from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solid_Snake#Pictures.3F His reasoning is ridiculous for some of his decision, such as saying he wouldn't use a picture because it's unknown whether or not the game is good. As for Gwernol, look at his discussion page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gwernol#Here.27s_an_Idea:_you_suck and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gwernol#Please_argue You can clearly see that his reasoning has been questioned.

As for Randy's page, I'm simply asking him not to insult my intelligence by posting cookie-cutter answers on my page repeatedly. I'm not a moron, I can read it once and remember it, which is why I took them off my talk page in the first place. I don't need to see the same thing posted all over my talk page, and continuously putting it there only frustrated me further. Try that for a rule, not insulting people's intelligence. I'm not sorry for removing it.

As for Targetter, he, like A Man in Black on the Solid Snake page, acted as though he was policing the page. I was pointing this out as a reason why YTMNDers were targeting him, as per the now absent message on the top of his user page. As I said before, you can't deny people act "my way or the highway" about some articles, completely ignoring other people's input on the matter. When it came to the slight mention of the NEDM internet joke on the British Shorthair page, he started a support/opposition debate that ended even, and the support input was denied anyway.

..What are you indicating with The Bread's page? Seriously, are you kidding me? No personal attacks made there. What I said, about the world winning when one gives up, and the two cents part, is a fact of life. If you don't like it, that's your problem, because I don't know what to tell you there. I was giving him advice, not attacking a person, but the conduct some choose to follow here, which, as I've previously stated, is undeniable without lying.

Do me a favor and precisely explain your definition of a "personal attack," because the way this term has been thrown around is utterly ridiculous. I have no bad blood with PTKFGS. As for what I said to him, that's the real problem here, not me. The fact that the conduct and behavior I've been speaking out against on both my user page and talk page goes unnoticed and unpunished is both ridiculous and unfair to other users, and that instead of focusing on this issue you're pointing your guns at me is only making it worse and further pushing the elitist image that I surely did not invent upon my coming here, but existing among user talk before that. When you were accusing me of personal attacks made on my user and talk pages, you must have forgotten to read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NPA#Examples_that_are_not_personal_attacks

What purpose do the rules of wikipedia serve if they don't go both ways? You must explain your definition of a personal attack, because clearly, it's too broad, and both easily and unfairly tacked on to people as an offense. In my book, it's either an obvious derogatory statement directed at someone who's name is mentioned, or a derogatory statement made on someone else's talk page. Calling someone a robot, and saying people think they have 10 cents over people that have 2, and pointing out that there are people who do act in an elistist manner on here to others, is not a personal attack on a person. That might not matter to you, but that's what happens when a term is used in too broad a manner.

Furthermore, to support my recent behavior, I chock it up to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:IAR A Man in Black was policing the Solid Snake article, Randy got involved and wouldn't stop polluting my page with pre-written paragraphs that I expressed a disliking towards. Then, my attention is brought to the Happycat page. I notice Targetter has been exposed to vandalism by YTMNDers, and upon reviewing his recent actions and words toward them, suggest why. To wrap all this up, I post about what it is I'm upset about on my user and talk page, only for Gwernol to come in and try editing what I said. I don't care that Wikipedia isn't a practice of democracy. It was created in America, therefore I chose to protect my freedom of speech and restore what I originally posted. As I earlier stated, my behavior is in reaction to the elitist behavoir and conduct displayed by many people on wikipedia, including admins and normal users. It goes unnoticed, ignored, and unpunished. When the rules, which are merely suggestive policies not enforced, are contradicted and twisted, or in this case, ignored, by a person or group of people, I followed the example, and chose to ignore all rules: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:IAR

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--Snake Liquid 06:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
--The Bread 07:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Alrighty then. First, all this bussiness began when the Solid Snake article was totally re-written and I began discussing the fact that the picture of Solid Snake had been changed to the old picture of Snake as opposed to Old Snake. Needles to say the whole thing got very very heated and personal attacks were exchanged both ways from me, SL and Man in Black. Secondly don't use my talk page as a justification for an argument that I disagree with, the only discussion there was between me and SL, no-one else. I also got the civility notice as well from Randy. This part of the issue (The Solid Snake half) has been blown way out of proportion, It was a heated argument that has now stopped, a new image of Snake is up, although i'm not happy about it, I accept it and SL's behavior while not acceptable was no different than my own or Man in Black's, however i don't know if MIB got a civility message, which seems a bit rough.

I am unable to comment at this time on the other article n question

(The Bread 07:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC))

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--The Bread 07:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
--Snake Liquid 07:24, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

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To Snake Liquid: I don't understand why you care so much about this. Unfairness and elitism as you call it are everywhere, and if you have so much energy to fight it, why not fight the unfairness that really affects people in society rather than on a privately owned website whose rules are ultimately up to its owners? It sounds as though you wish to have it acknowledged that you think people are unfair here. Let me grant you your wish. People are unfair sometimes, it happens, people do unfair one-sided things to save their face and often would rather look good than be good. So what - who cares - same thing happens all around us - pointing out that Wikipedia has hypocrites for editors and admins will do no good, as everyone's a hypocrite in some way or another. What would you like done about it? The wiki software and all the Wikipedia content are free - go copy it onto a new URL and run it yourself if you think you have a better way.
To everyone else, who cares? Why on earth a RfC for a username that's only been around for 3 days? If this guy is a troll, then he is doing an excellent job of yanking your chain. It's like a tribunal and lynch mob for a mosquito. When you lynch him, it will take him no time to come back under a new name, civil or not. If he is incivil on his talk page, how hard is it to just delete the content and ignore it? Why does he need this sort of due process for that? Vandals come to waste everyone's time, and if he is here to waste your time just like one, then he is sure succeeding.
Reswobslc 06:22, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

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Reswobslc, you've just given the perfect reason as to why the world is screwed up the way it is: it's not because it was screwed up to begin with, it became screwed up because a select few humans came along and did things which people, like yourself, knew was happening but did not do anything about. Yes, elitism, bigotism, and several other 'isms' are rampant in the world, but does that make it "right" for it to be there? The answer for that is 'no'. Just because it's all around us doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed. Looking over the argument, I believe our friend Liquid has a right to stand up and say "what is wrong with this?".

For example, the Solid Snake picture. This generally started with the very clear and detailed MGS4 picture of "Old Snake" getting replaced by a grainy, blurry and otherwise "old" (with a dull background no less) of Snake during MGS1 by or caused by A Man In Black. His reasoning behind it is "We don't know if the game is good or not." Now tell me, what kind of logic do you find behind this? You take down a better quality picture that shows the current Solid Snake and replace it with a worse-for-wear one because nobody knows how good the game is? By that logic, then better clear out the sections and pictures from Devil May Cry 2 and Xenosaga II, because those game are unanimously frowned upon. The second reason is because it's "Snake's original form" and all of Snake's outfits in the following games are just "copies" of his first suit. Even if that were true (which it's not; the protagonists of Metal Gear Solid always wore different outfits from before), it's a poor reason. That and why only the Solid Snake section? What about Revolver Ocelot, Meryl Silverburgh, Otacon and so forth? Why do they have their MGS4 forms up still?

Besides all that though, looking over the comments exchanged between both parties, I have yet to see any form of personal attack on the part of Liquid which everyone is assessing to. Then again, my description of a personal attack is a response that goes past the subject at hand and attacks the user on the otherside of the computer screen. The closest Liquid gets to doing that is calling people on their behavior, no different than what you'd see in a Political Debate (in fact, this has a lot less colorful language to it). If Liquid called A Man In Black a n***er for example, that would be a personal attack. If he threatened legal action Jack Thompson style, that would also be a personal attack. Stating that someone is acting like or being a hypocrite or an elitist on certain matters does not fall into attacking the user's personal life.

As for his being a troll or not, who knows. All I can see is that some people on wikipedia seem to be super touchy, and others seem to have way too many online priviliges and things to do with their time. If whatever authority chooses to edit this, go ahead; I've got this message saved already and you'll only be proving Liquid's reasons true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.3.0.95 (talk • contribs)

After reading through all this, I got the feeling that Emufarmers and several others posting to his talk page are really just yanking Snake Liquid's chain because they know he will call them on it (perhaps not as by the book civilly as they would desire) and then they can post more warnings on his page which increases the cycle of chaos. I think rather than filing an rfc on a new user like this you all should learn to be just a little more tolerant. I've noticed that with the advent of tools like Vandal Proof, Wikipedia has become a much less friendly and much less tolerant place, with some users treating it like their own personal police state. Mellow out people and let some so called "incivility" go unpunished for the good of the greater civility. We've all wasted too much time on this already Cshay 22:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe Snake Liquid's action, although provocative, does not need extremely drastic action. I do agree with previous statements that certain people will be touchy, and others won't. Wikipedia is an endeavor that is participated by real people, and not droids, so obviously, emotions will flare (I had that happen to me last month as well). I'd say we should give Snake Liquid a fair, but stern warning, and watch his actions. If he decides to act up again, we can then move to a RfA. Let's give this person one final chance. He screws this up, it is his fault, not ours. Arbiteroftruth 21:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

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Re: Apology

**The Resilient Silver**, awarded to Targetter for learning from my criticisms of his actions as an editor and improving himself as a result. --Snake Liquid

Targetter, I accept your apology, and I thank you. It's all water under the bridge now, and I apologize for any stress caused from my end. Thanks again, and I'm glad we were able to resolve this like men.--Snake Liquid 00:17, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Cheers

Thanks for the barnstar man, just when I thought I was fighting a loosing battle, I will continue to never give up

(The Bread 03:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC))

hey

your userpage is formatted funny —ptk✰fgs 02:50, 18 August 2006 (UTC) NEDM

LOL Wanna fix it for me? --Targetter ^{(Lock On)} 02:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

do you like it? revert one: yes, no —ptk✰fgs 03:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

That works! --Targetter ^{(Lock On)} 21:25, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

subst at User talk:195.229.242.88

When using certain template tags on talk pages, don't forget to substitute with text by adding subst: to the template tag. For example, use {{subst:test}} instead of {{test}}. This reduces server load and prevents accidental blanking of the template. ST47 21:18, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

NEDM

Damn, man... Looks like you've been busy with British Shorthair. Anything suspicious on the YTMND front that might explain the recent vandalism? --Targetter ^{(Lock On)} 23:02, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Not sure. I'm going back to sleep. Usually if something's up, it's obvious here:

http://www.ytmnd.com/list/?start=0?sort=&order=desc&period=alltime&search=wiki&sort=creation&order=desc.

—ptk✰fgs 04:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Re:Barnstar

Thank you so much - my first barnstar. I am very appreciative. :-) ... discospinster _talk 12:51, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Morda (Happycat Archive Pic)

Wasn't it you that brought up the internet archive for happycat before? Did you see my comment down at the bottom of the talk page? --Targetter ^{(Lock On)} 03:52, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe so. It took a long time to find, and it's still not quite the right image :-( However, there are a couple of other approaches:

It's hosted here so we might be able to claim that epickid has the copyright
It's still in the google cache, though it won't be for long
A Man In Black has vowed to delete any happycat images "on sight", so if one pops up we can probably leave him a message to get it removed.

—ptk✰fgs 03:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

And, yeah, I saw your comment. I just took the opportunity to respond to the guy saying that Happycat redirected to British Shorthair. My RfD was successful, so his claim is no longer true, and I could finally respond. —ptk✰fgs 04:00, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:Pro-wrestling

No problem. :) --Oakster ^(Talk) 10:39, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

bush userbox

This user believes that George W. Bush's edits to the constitution need to be reverted

haha! :-) —ptk✰fgs 02:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

credit goes to User:The_ed17 --Targetter ^{(Lock On)} 02:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Nonsense Eradicator Destruction Minimizer

Heh, I just had to laugh at the irony I found in this:

Nonsense Eradicator Destruction Minimizer = NEDM --Snake Liquid 18:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:CVU status

The Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit project is under consideration to be moved to {{inactive}} and/or {{historical}} status. Another proposal is to delete or redirect the project. You have been identified as a project member and your input as to this matter would be welcomed at WT:CVU#Inactive.3F and at the deletion debate. Thank you! Delivered on behalf of xaosflux 17:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)