User:Private Butcher/User talk archive 2

MediaSentry

Hi! I saw that you had tagged the article MediaSentry for speedy deletion. I removed your db-tagging because your reasons don't fall under the scope of WP:CSD. The criteria is very specific, and unless the article clearly falls under them, you should ship them to WP:AFD instead. I fixed it up so now it is a good enough stub I think. Anyway, good luck with patrolling! Cheers, gkhan 22:11, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi again, sorry to bother you..but Lemon sented murder doesn't fall under WP:CSD either. I don't wish to be a pain about this, but these things should go to WP:AFD (it doesn't meet WP:MUSIC notability criteria, so it will surely be deleted anyhow, but it has to go through the proper channels). Articles with bad spelling and formatting you should fix up insted of speedying. I'm going to do just that now, so don't worry, but please try to follow WP:CSD. gkhan 22:25, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Well look at that, it got deleted before I time to fix it. Sorry to bother you again. gkhan 22:28, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

You know, I really don't want to sound like an ass, 'cause thats really not my intention. I have huge respect for anyone going on New pages patrol. And by the way, the second example was speediable, as it doesn't assert notability. I apologise for that one :P Anyway, good on ya! Cheers gkhan 23:11, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

this is fun to watch actually

I'm like... watching your story unfold... I wonder how long before it get's deleted. -- NatsukiGirl\^talk 22:32, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

The Butchering Bastards

"The Butchering Bastards" is not a suitable encyclopedia article because there is no assertion of notability. There are hundreds of thousands of unproduced screenplays in this world. Even the ones that are produced are often non-notable. However, please note that this is not a judgement on the screenplay, which I haven't read. It may be very fine work and I wish the writer the best of luck. Cheers, -Willmcw 23:00, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

No, you don't deserve to be blocked for promoting a project. Heck, half the editors on Wikipedia have somehow promoted something that they are involvd in. Best wishes for you and thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. -Willmcw 23:14, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Not to discourage you, but I know many people who struggle hard to get their screenplays optioned. They have connections, have written many screenplays, have attended classes and workshops, etc. It can be very discouraging. The luckier ones have had their scripts optioned for a few thousand bucks. Compared to the numbers of short stories and novels that are published, very few screenplays are ever produced. On the flip side, I read your biography and it sounds like you have had some intersting experiences that would be worth writing about, perhaps in another form. In any case, be well. Cheers, -Willmcw 23:30, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

I couldn't find the link to your screenplay in your biography here. Can you give it to me again? Thanks, -Willmcw 20:52, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Spinnaker pole

Hey, chill out. The target (Spinnaker pole) is there now; I just happened to create them out of order (plus I had a typo issue in the page name to fix). Noel (talk) 15:28, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

PS: I don't usually check other User_talk: pages (so that I don't have to monitor a whole long list of User_Talk: pages - one for each person with whom I am having a "conversation"), so please leave any messages for me on my talk page (above); if you leave a message for me here I probably will not see it. I know not everyone uses this style (they would rather keep all the text of a thread in one place), but I simply can't monitor all the User_talk: pages I leave messages on. Thanks!

speedies

Please check the edit histories of pages you mark for speedying: If they are at any point not speedy candidates they should instead be reverted to that version. Thanks. --fvw * 00:22, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Your work is much appreciated, but only as long as you follow policy; anything else is merely disruptive and doesn't help anyone. (That goes for observing the no personal attacks policy too.) --fvw * 00:34, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

I didn't personal attack you. I told you to leave me alone, and my work isn't appreciated, you can try to feed me that bullshit but I eat bacon. I'm just trying to do a good job, so leave me to it. Private Butcher 00:37, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

You're not allowed to make personal attacks against anyone, not just me. Wikipedia is a community effort, if you're not willing to interact with others you might want to consider going somewhere else. --fvw * 00:40, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

I know wikipedia is a community effort, I've been working hard, and I've worked with others, and I told you I understand. I don't personal attack, I don't do anything wrong. So leave me alone. Private Butcher 00:45, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Dumbass is a personal attack. --fvw * 00:47, 25 September 2005 (UTC) Fine then block me, I broke a rule, I personally attacked. I deserve it, so go ahead. I forgot I did that, and now I feel like an asshole. So block me for doing something that idiotic. Private Butcher 00:49, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

It's ok, we all make mistakes. Just something to keep in mind. --fvw * 00:52, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

And here's a little flower for your kindness in apologising to the anon. Happy editing! --fvw * 00:55, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

It's not okay at all. I've made "mistakes" twice in the past 3 days. First I tried to advertise a project I'm working on, then I personally attacked an innocent person. I'm a failure at this. Private Butcher 00:55, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

And both times the matter was resolved, that's the nice thing about wiki's: The odd mistake doesn't matter, things can always be fixed up later. --fvw * 00:58, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Okay thanks. I just want to be a really good editor. I'd like to create big great articles, and I would like to be able to be the big hero that stop vandals and deletes tons of nonsense. But I'm not any of those things. I'm kind of an okay editor, that tries but always comes up short. I'll try to be a better and nicer editor, so then you won't have to talk to me again about anything I did wrong. I have mental conditions that make me feel extremely bad whenever I do something wrong, so you may think I'm just being weird over all this, and overreacting but its really because of that. Private Butcher 01:02, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Don't sweat it, you haven't been around that long, even the most prolific of editors and vandal-fighters were accident-prone in the beginning. --fvw * 01:05, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Fascism to Democracy?

If you don't mind me asking, how did you make that transition? Sam Spade 01:18, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

I made that transition because I've been thinking about my whole life, when I was young I always thought I was just being brainwashed by Democracy's ideals, so I began to follow fascist ideals. But then I've been looking at the political parties of fascism in America. And they all prove to me that what my ideology was, was just completely insane, I saw for what those people were, evil bastards. Then I began to read about what democracy, and I found that it truly different than what I thought. So then I now believe in democracy. If you need me to clarify more than I will. Private Butcher 01:22, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Interesting... I study politics alot, and it was fun to think we had an openly fascist wiki. Oh well... Have you seen http://www.politicalcompass.org/ ? My results (and various other opinions) are @ User:Sam Spade/Theoretical Biases if your interested. Cheers, Sam Spade 01:42, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Well I took the test you told me, and what I found intrigued me. I put the results at my userpage, under a subpage "politics". Thanks for showing that site to me, it was very interesting. And I've seen your political beliefs, and those interest me too. Private Butcher 18:45, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Looks like we agree alot, which is fun. Even our alignments are quite close (I sometimes get lawful good, its my clear runner-up). Let me know if you feel like discussing such things sometime, the only thing I like discussing more than other peoples opinions are my own ;) Cheers, Sam Spade 19:06, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Well you like to discuss your opinions so I have a question now. Tell me about your anti-prison beliefs, I just want to know what you think on it. Private Butcher 19:21, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

This is one of my most central issues, actually. I think imprisonment is a human rights abuse, as well as being cruel and unusual. Man is a nomandic animal, and not ment for confinement. Also, american and 2nd and 3rd world prisons are rife with assault and degradation of the spirit.

I propose 2 (possibly 3) alternatives, each based on the morality of the criminal. Firstly, for those who are conclusively proven to be guilty of wicked and unforgivable crimes, I prescribe death, taking place in the manner most efficient for society. If that be organ harvesting, medical or military experimentation, or gladitorial combat, the market can decide.

Secondly, for the vast majority of those criminals who do something wrong, but not evil (like stealing a car, or having a fist fight at the pub), I prescribe indentured servitude, w 1/3rd of the profit going to the state to pay for their maintenance, 1/3rd to the victim, and 1/3rd going into a savings for them when they are finished, or to be given to their loved ones in the case of their death. Military service might also be an option in some cases.

The third category is more dubious, and involves illness or or mental defect. I'm not sure if that category is waranted, and if it is, it should be used rarely. The right response might be intensive reprogramming, or perhaps deportation.

Finially, I would point out that "moral" crimes, like killing someone who raped your daughter, or a woman killing an abusive husband, should not be punished at all. Sam Spade 19:48, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Re: more

I thought our original conversation was getting to long so I started another thing. Finially, I would point out that "moral" crimes, like killing someone who raped your daughter, or a woman killing an abusive husband, should not be punished at all. Sam Spade 19:48, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Your other things are pretty good ideas, but a why should a government who would judge have to chose what crime is "moral" or not. No crime is moral, every crime is wrong. Even revenge, revenge or killing in anger is a horrible thing to do. I live in Washington D.C., stuff like that happens all the time, they all should be treated the same. They all deserve death for murder. If someone raped my daughter, I wouldn't "hunt them down" like some action hero and kill them. I'd hunt them down then do everything in my power to send them to hell in life, then hell after they die (as in making them suffer in prison, then they can go to hell when they die). That's just the one large flaw I saw, because anyone could commit a crime and claim it was "moral" because no one could testify against them to prove otherwise. Private Butcher 22:11, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

My primary concerns in deciding how to treat someone are altruistic, trying to treat them as well as possible, and self interest, trying to do whats best for me. If someone has an excuse, thats very different to me from someone who doesn't. Maybe their should still be some consequence (like indentured servitude), but frankly I don't understand why killing a bad person, or protecting oneself, should be be punished. Thats the altruism. Also, I don't like there being laws against stuff I, or other nice people might do, or at least not some horrible penalty. Thats the Self interest, for me at least ;). Sam Spade 22:20, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm all about self-interest, I'm kind of like, you do whatever you want, as long as it doesn't mess with me and who I care about, and what I do. But I think that they deserve punishment for breaking what I just said, even if they did something to you first, and you were doing it in revenge, the person that did the revenge, still deserves some form of punishment, it doesn't have to be death, but it can be servitude like you said. But I just think they still do deserve something. Private Butcher 22:37, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Thats a very Libertarian viewpoint. Curiously, neither of us scored as libertarian on that test, not socially, and not economically either. What I find interesting is how well I get along w libertarians, and how comfortable I would be if they were in power. If I was king, my society wouldn't be very libertarian at all. I'd have loads of benefits, and extremel;y high taxes on things I disapproved of. But since I'm not king, I tend to feel more safe w libertarian leadership. At least I know they won't interfere w my attempts to be charitable ;) Sam Spade 15:42, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

After you said that the view point was very libertarian, I decided to retake the test. I took almost 30 minutes thinking about all the questions, and my results came out very differently. It's at the political subpage in my userpage if you want to see. Private Butcher 19:11, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Its interesting that your views changed so much, I've taken that test maybe 10 times, and the results havn't changed much at all. You should check out political spectrum. I consider myself a Radical centrist Populist, but most people just call me unclassifiable, or right wing ;) Sam Spade 20:45, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Okay I have something to tell you that's completely in confidence. I need you to do make a page, and don't let anyone have the ability to find it, and I have to tell you something. I really don't want anyone to find out, I just think I can trust you with this information. Private Butcher 00:50, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Then don't say it here! Email me if its confidential. Theres an "email this user button" on my user and talk pages. Or you can try this: Special:Emailuser/Sam_Spade. Sam Spade 00:59, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me, I forgot about that. I'll send you an email saying it then. Private Butcher 01:02, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

There I sent it, and I'm pretty sure I know what will happen next. So I guess this is probably goodbye. Private Butcher 01:13, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Nope, your secret didn't upset me, see your email. Sam Spade 01:16, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Cindy Sheehan

Howdy! I'm not a participant on the Cindy Sheehan article, but I recently saw an edit of yours had an edit summary of "rv TRUE pov". You were reverting vandalism, and everything was legit, but I'd like to make a friendly suggestion that you take a quick glance at WP:NPOV. A 'true POV' is not what we want here, neutral pov is the target. Again, your edit was fine, this is not a complaint, just a heads up on some tips to avoid problems in the future, the 'TRUE pov' phrase will definitely set off warning sirens in lots of people. Thanks! (PS, your 'click here to leave me a message' link seems to be busted, it still points to fascist chicken.) - CHAIRBOY (☎) 23:02, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

I know about the whole Cindy Sheehan thing, and I said "True" pov, as a joke, I knew someone would take it the wrong way. But really it was just for joking purposes, so I'm sorry if you didn't like it. Also I fixed my message box thing, I forgot to do that, when my username switched. Private Butcher 23:21, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Ah, roger that. It's not that I 'didn't like' it, it just wasn't obvious as a joke, especially considering the heated nature of the Cindy Sheehan edit history. Just a friendly wiki-editor trying to help out, hope you didn't take offense! Regards, - CHAIRBOY (☎) 23:25, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

My RfA

Butcher-- Thanks for your support on my RfA. It was surprising, since I don't believe we've had any interaction. I thank you nonetheless. Cheers. By the way, what part of Virginia did you work in? See ya. --Lord Vold e mort ^{(Dark Mark)} 21:30, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your support of my recent nomination on RfA. Best regards, RobertG ♬ talk 10:57, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Name Change

I have been taking it easy, since I need to take more time off an look for a job, but I saw an unfamiliar name on my Watchlist, and clicked on it; Aparently you got a user name change.

Sounds cool. What does it mean? A private in the army of the Lord? A Butcher of problems?

I hope all is going well since your job change.

Thx.--GordonWatts 00:42, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Helpseeker's Essay

While I don't think that there is anything in User:Helpseeker's school essay on the Patriot Act we can use, we also need to remember to not bite the newbies. Jkelly 01:48, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Reverse Claustrophobia

Reverse claustrophia is a serious problem that should be taken seriously. I am personally offended that the page was removed. It's prejudice people like you who are preventing reverse claustrophobics from coming public with their problem. comment by: user:128.221.4.201

My RFA

Thank you very much for your vote on my RFA, it is now one of the most supported RFA ever, and it couldnt have happened without your vote. I look forward to serving wikipedia. Again, thanks. →Journalist >>talk<< 16:31, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Your vote on OwenX's nomination.

For what it's worth, OwenX has made 1700 edits in the last three months- even though his first edit was in December 2004, he started being really active in June and July. I'm not asking you necessarily to change your vote, but note that OwenX is fairly active. Ral 315 W_S 00:27, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

That's fine. As long as you have a valid reason for opposing- the reason that you put in gave me the belief that you were opposing because the edits were too low over the nine months since he registered. Ral 315 W_S 08:53, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Derek & the Dominos

Thank You so much for fixing that picture, i've been wanting to fix it for the longest time but I never could format it correctly. Thank you so much and you really deserve this flower for your time and effort in fixing the picture. Patman2648

Zigland

Hey i was just wondering if you knew anything about zigland? It is a relatively unknown country but i was hoping someone as knowledgeable as yourself would have information on it. I hear that santa has a holiday home there....awesome! Well let me know. I chose you because your sooooo manly breaking all those edits and all.