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Edit Summary: rm stub; Wikipedia:Database reports/Long stubs; Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub improvement; [[WP:STIM|you can help!]]
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Reliable sources

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  • Newspapers.com ?

This article is on Watchlist, and has Talk discussion section.

Not reliable sources

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  • Geographic.org
  • Geolysis.com
  • Geonames.org - user-generated and not reliable
    • Example: Senek <ref>{{cite web|title=Senek, Kazakhstan - P PPL 608391|url=http://www.geonames.org/maps/google_44.545_50.246.html|publisher=[[GeoNames]]|accessdate=September 11, 2016}}</ref>
  • Geoview.info
  • Google Maps 
    <ref name="GM">{{cite map|title=[[Google Maps]]|publisher=Google}}</ref>
  • Places-in-the-world.com
  • And many more...

Stub articles

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Unreferenced articles

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Category:Unreferenced BLPs

Greetings, Last week at Category:Articles lacking sources from June 2008, for the first dozen or so articles, I added a "Notice" tag (being Bold). Today, I fine-tuned it a bit into a transcluded "Ambox", just the first 3 articles. With the four criteria more visible, hoping it helps both beginners and a call-to-action for more advanced editors. Asking for feedback and discussion here. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 14:40, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Here is the wikilink Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Criteria
JoeNMLC (talk) 14:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
  • The four criteria seem to be better suited for articles tagged for notability issues. Citations just have to be reliable. Primary, nonindependent and passing mentions are all usable (within wp:primary).
Obviously, sources that satisfy all criteria are preferred, but we don’t want people avoiding adding an otherwise fine reference just because it doesn’t have sigcov or something. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 14:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
  • You're conflating notability and verifiability here. Citations in an article are there to verify the content of the article: they have to be to reliable sources, but need not meet your three other criteria. "Significant coverage in independent, secondary reliable sources" is how we judge notability, but that's not something readers need to worry about. If sources showing notability need to be presented somewhere, the talk page is probably best. But in the vast majority of cases that doesn't come up until notability is challenged at WP:AFD.
This seems to be a common enough mistake that we ought to have an essay explaining it... – Joe (talk) 15:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
And just to add, if what you're concerned about is notability, there are already a range of tags for that. {{GNG}} is probably the closest to your wording. – Joe (talk) 10:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
@Joe - Thanks. The template docs for the GNG has specific guidelines & that is helpful. JoeNMLC (talk) 12:03, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
  • I don't think this addition to the existing maintenance tag is necessary or helpful. The second sentence of the unreferenced tag is 'Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources.' with the link to the 'Referencing for Beginners' essay so I think this is a total non-issue that is just creating more work. Why do you feel this is necessary? Also having multiple maintenance tags removes the automatic search links to Google, Books, Scholar, JSTOR, etc. which I find very convenient so as an experienced editor, it is making my work 1% more difficult. Also+also agree with the above notes about notability and verification from Joe and ARN123. Kazamzam (talk) 20:18, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
  • I agree with Kazamzam. We already have tags that cover these various issues. I understand the desire to have more refined tags that cover more subjects but I think this ultimately is overly confusing for readers and editors. Also consider that we track various types of issues by categories and a tag like this muddies that approach. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 16:16, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Thank you, everyone! - For clarity & explaining why "not" to do what I attempted. Today, I did "undo self" for those June 2008 unref. articles. Going forward, I'm adding parts of this discussion to my "Article cleanup" notes. So as not to forget. Cheers, JoeNMLC (talk) 12:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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