User:Deckiller/archive16

Oopsie

Thanks a lot for fixing that typo on my user page. I feel dumb now. XD User:Cyfin 23:47, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for that second barnstar, Deck. ^_^ I appreciate that. Ryu Kaze 02:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I have never played Xenosaga. I'm sorry. XD I bet I'd love it, though. Ryu Kaze 02:18, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to have to get around to playing it one of these days. As time goes on, I imagine that it'll only get more difficult to get around to it, though. XD Ryu Kaze 02:47, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Deletion

Could you speedy delete this page, User talk:Ac1983fab. User:Ac1983fan accidently put User:Ac1983fab instead of User:Ac1983fan so Suggestbot made suggestions for a non-existant user. Jedi6 -(need help?) 02:20, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! On another note my RfA is starting to do better. :-) Jedi6 -(need help?) 03:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

Want to bring your might broom of cleaning down upon User:Phair, he was proven to be a sockpuppet here, see here :-) Jedi6 -(need help?) 12:25, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Gentzkowmp

Gentzkowmp continues to vandalize the Power Rangers: Turbo and Power Rangers: In Space pages. As you seem to have some history with this user, I implore you to intercede again. Thank you. - The One and Only 18:38, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Quote

Being a quote-fiend (I admit it! :P), I'm going to borrow Philwelch's quote on Wikipedia for my userpage, because it takes words out of my mouth on WHY I'm contributing to Wikipedia. I just wanted to let you know, just in case. —Mir l e n 11:41, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Lol, I'll let you know when any others add it to their page. Such an awesome quote, wish I'd thought of it first. :P —Mir l e n 15:44, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Version 1.0 "Release Version Qualifying"

Hi, I'm interested in your feedback on Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Release Version Qualifying. It's essentially an idea to use a process similar to WP:FAC to identify and handle articles and lists that would go in a release version. Maurreen 19:41, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Rush

Congrats on Rush being featured! Gflor e s^Talk 02:20, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipeedio

No, Wikipeedio isn't Brazil4Linux. For starters they don't edit the same pages and Wikipeedio's grasp of english is far better. Wikipeedio is just someone who misunderstands things easily and is quick to jump to the worst possibility. Jedi6 -(need help?) 05:23, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Jedi6 is correct. Brazil4Linux's understanding of the english language is limited, whereas Wikipeedio uses contractions and common American slang like "gonna" that B4L can't. I think Wikipeedio is just a user who's ego took "one revert too many"... Daniel Davis 06:26, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

WP 1.0

I thought since you are interested in this project you might be interested to see a CD version of en now exists see Wikipedia:Wikipedia-CD/Download & 2006 WP CD Selection. This is being discussed on the 1.0 project pages but progress breeds enthusiasm so I thought I would let you know. --BozMo talk 09:12, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks a lot for that compliment, man. I'll admit that it takes a lot out of me, though. Once I finish these last 6 FFX pages (Yuna, Seymour, Jecht, Paine and the two character list pages), I'll probably try to give the FFX and FFVII game pages the treatment we gave FFVIII's, but after that, I'm definitely going to be giving myself a break. XD This reference project (which, by necessity, includes going through every paragraph and checking the validity of and/or rephrasing the information) has been the most involved and lengthy project I've done here on Wikipedia. Technically, I've been working on this very project since we made the Mythology of Final Fantasy X page, and it's just now nearing completion. I do feel kind of proud, though.

Thanks again for the compliment. I'm going to check out the Xenosaga page and see what you've done with it. I won't understand any of it, I'm sure, but I can at least admire the mechanics of the wording. XD Ryu Kaze 16:12, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Jedi6 RfA Notice

My RfA has been extended until the 12th due to the major power failure Wikipedia suffered. Jedi6 -(need help?) 02:23, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Ongoing vandalism of page from 24.44.180.233

I see you warned this numerical IP address previously (he's been warned four-five times already for vandalising a single page).. any chance we could at least temporarily block him from vandalising Death Valley Driver Video Review? I've been reverting him each time...

SirFozzie 21:53, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Sadly, the block didn't slow him down and he's at it again, I've reverted his blather once already... Thanks..

SirFozzie 19:35, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

ProhibitOnions's RfA

Thank you, Deckiller/archive16!
	...for voting in my RFA. It passed with a result of 58/2/0. If you have any comments, please let me know here.

Thanks for your vote. Doubt I'll catch up to your number of edits, though. Regards, ProhibitOnions 22:21, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

A KISS Rfa Thanks

Thank you, I've been promoted. psch e mp | talk 01:09, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for putting the skeleton on The Black Fleet Crisis, I work som much better with one. I Lov E Plankton 01:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks

Thanks for nominating the Final Fantasy VII page for GA status and for tightening it up a little bit. I appreciate it. Ryu Kaze 02:46, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I'm thinking about maybe trying to do the same thing with the Final Fantasy X and the Final Fantasy X-2 pages. Considering that I've gone to the trouble of adding all those references for FFVII and FFX/FFX-2-related stuff, I'd feel kind of like I left the job half-done at this point (though it would be more like 2% undone in truth XD). Ryu Kaze 03:17, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I do, yes, though in some cases, I've had to actually sit there and play the game to a certain point to get some dialogue I needed (I had to do it with Auron one time in particular). I don't predict needing much in the way of script quotations for these main game pages, though, thank God. XD Ryu Kaze 03:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Final Fantasy X is ready for inspection, Deck. Ryu Kaze 15:15, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Alright, Tyler, thank you for looking it over. I appreciate your quality edits and expertise. By the way, I just made a very interesting edit to the cultural aspects section. I got lucky and found a special old link in one of my bookmarks files. Check it out. Ryu Kaze 19:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Don't get my hopes up. XD That would sure be nice, though. I've yet to have any of my pages make it that far. I'd feel like an accomplished Wikipedian if that were to happen. Ryu Kaze 19:21, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm going through all the interviews and finding out what I can. I'm going to make that sucker an FA if it kills me. Expect more edits. Ryu Kaze 19:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Alright, give it a look, Tyler. I think this baby just may be ready to be delivered! I hope. XD Ryu Kaze 20:40, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey, concerning the spoiler warning, I think we should leave it up and not put up an "end spoiler" warning. There's more spoilers (specifically Tidus' return) mentioned on three occasions later (two in prose and one in a screenshot). Thoughts? Ryu Kaze 23:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think we're done with the X-2 page now. What think you? Ryu Kaze 00:24, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Awesome. Thanks for your help with it. Now, I think I'll check out what Crazyswordsman's been up to on the Terra Branford page, see if there's any advice I feel like I can offer and then I'll bask in my WikiVacation (which just means I'm taking a break from dedicated project work XD). Ryu Kaze 00:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Adminship

This is kinda of weird. I'm still learning all the little things. :-) Jedi6 -(need help?) 19:28, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I know I made a mistake :-(. I thought at first it was just a stupid comment to one of Mirlen's posts. But in reality he was signing up. (opps) Jedi6 -(need help?) 19:31, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

British Sea Power

Hello. Thanks for taking the time to fail British Sea Power as a good article. I would like to improve the article and wondering if you could drop by my talk page or the BSP talk page and provide more specific details on the problems in the article, ie which parts aren't NPOV? If you have the time that is. Thanks for your help. SaltyWater 22:59, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Congrats

Thanks a lot, and be sure to pat yourself on the back too. You really did help a lot. Ryu Kaze 02:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

By the way, exactly how would we go about getting FA status for the Final Fantasy X page? Ryu Kaze 16:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Could you elaborate a little further on the specific nature of the issue, Tyler? I'm not sure if you were wanting advice on how to get the other folks to see things your way, advice on how to deal with the frustration or how to prevent it from coming off like a play instead of a film. Either way, I'll have something. Ryu Kaze 19:28, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Alright, first and foremost, dealing with the frustration is key. As long as you think you'll get a good grade, try to be contet with that knowledge. I understand that satisfaction in one's work extends beyond that, but for all practical purposes, that's the goal. Anything beyond that is personal gratification that -- while it would certainly be... well, gratifying -- is unnecessary. That said, you seem certain right now that this matter may affect your grade, which is an issue, in which case your frustrations are warranted. That being the case, make your ultimate goal to be that you'll feel confident in getting a good grade. Secondary to that is any other satisfaction, sad as I am to say it.

Since you're not convinced of that, the primary avenue is, of course, convincing the other members of your group that things aren't looking good. The first bit of advice I've got for you in this area is that the opposition may not bend to your way of seeing things. If that is the case, what about the others? How many people are in your group? If you can't sway the leading opposition, can you sway the majority? Next up -- and possibly as part of the process of convincing the others that grades are at stake here -- you'll need to convince the majority or everyone that certain things are a necessity.

I don't know if you'll have to write an explanation for your teacher as to why you guys chose to right it the way you did, but we had to do that with the play I made in college, so explaining to them why you chose to incorporate certain things will not only convey your understanding of the story to the teacher (which is always a plus for grades) but will also convey a sense of effort on your part. This, of course, means that all the key points of the story and its symbolism must be maintained. If you haven't already, make a list of all these things (or read the one I'm about to make and add any I forget), and then explain to the other members of your group how the particular compression you want to make preserves these things. Key plot points, of course, are the following:

Plot points:

Presentation of the prophecy and the banishing of Oedipus
Oedipus' survival; whether you choose to go with the idea that he was found by a shepherd (or whatever) or that the servant sent to leave him to die was too compassionate to do so and took him to the shepherd who brought him before Polybus is of little consequence; either way could work fine depending on the overall theme you're going for
Oedipus learning of the prophecy and fleeing, believing that Polybus and Merope are his real parents
Oedipus meeting Laius and killing him
Oedipus saving Thebes (or where ever) from the Sphinx (or its modern day representation) and becoming king
Coming of the plague, explanation from the Oracle of Delphi (or wherever) that Thebes is harboring Laius' murderer, and the subsequent request for Tiresias' presence
Oedipus' declaration that the cause of the plauge will be exiled and Tiresias' statement that Oedipus himself is the cause of the plague
Oedipus' suspicion of Tiresias and Creon conspiring against him
Jocasta's statements that Oracles are not always right, with her explanation of Laius supposedly dying at the hands of his son, when he was actually killed by a "bandit" at the meeting of three roads (or whatever)
Oedipus remembering killing a man in such a location and the revelation that the man Oedipus killed was Laius
Revelation that Polybus has died, but that it doesn't grant Oedipus immunity from the prophecy because Polybus wasn't his father
Arrival of the servant and/or shepherd who put the final pieces together

Symbolism:

How Oedipus' pride not only is prevalent throughout the story and makes him look like an idiot in various ways, but how it directly contributed to the alteracation in which he killed Laius
Dramatic irony (of which the above is part)
The idea that trying to circumvent the prophecy was its direct cause

Additionally, you're going to need to add your own things (which you've probably already done, but I'm just covering all the bases) that explains what kind of prophecy would -- in the modern world -- cause two parents to leave their child to die and what kind of modern day representation of the Sphinx and its riddle you could use. I'd also recommend trying to add in your own thematic touches if at all possible, as teachers tend to like that, and it, again, emphasises your own understanding of the work and the effort you've put into your project. Maybe something like having one or more of the characters reflect on how if they and everybody else had done things differently (like Oedipus being less prideful), things wouldn't have come to pass as they had. That's a much more movie-like touch, and while we're on that subject, emphasise the differences between storytelling in a movie and storytelling in a play.

In a play, you have the chorus to point out these things, but in a movie, you need the characters to realize them and point them out themselves (even if they didn't in the original play) in order for it to be effective and to maintain the relevance of the story while also maintaining the perspective of a film. Emphasise that all these things are definitely required and that it will greatly contribute to the good grade you know you guys will get.

Another thing I'd recommend is try establishing a certain color theme or something similar to certain things so as to emphasise their relevance. M. Night Shyamalan did that with The Sixth Sense. Any kind of thematic continuity that makes sense when looked at as a whole. This sort of thing is used in film but not really used in theatre. Again, in theatre, we have the chorus to explain things, but in a movie, we have to either have the characters explain these things themselves or we have to have provide the viewer with visual cues that make them go "Ohhhhhhh, I get it." Again, emphasise to the other members of your group your understanding of these things and the mechanics of storytelling in its various forms, and, above all, emphasise that the suggestions you're making maintain all of this better and that this will mean "A+" for your grades.

And, again, remember, if you have to use the "majority rules" approach, do it. And also remember that if you're definitely going to have to compromise something, compromise those things you'd love to keep but know you don't have to. Well, good luck. I hope I was able to give you some kind of helpful advice. Ryu Kaze 21:05, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, we already wrote the script which had a modernized verison of the key points. We got a 95 on the script, it's just the way my group has been treating things that has been bothering me. — Deckill e r 21:06, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Ah, so you're already past the grading stage? Or is there another part to come? Ryu Kaze 21:08, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Alright, well, you're welcome nonetheless. Good luck with the letting go part. I know it can be difficult to do.

By the way, what would be the best next step with the Final Fantasy X page? You'd know better than I. I'd really like to see it make FA. Should we do a Peer Review? Ryu Kaze 21:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey. I've added more info to the page (with references, of course) and put it up for a Peer Review. Ryu Kaze 01:27, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for supporting me in my RfA. I really didn't think people appreciate my work here that much, but it's nice to see you do: my Request was closed with 66 supports and 4 opposes. I'll do my best not to turn your confidence down. If in any point in the future you get the feeling I'm doing something wrong, do not hesitate to drop me a line. --Dijxtra 11:55, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: FFVII, FFVIII and FFX

Yeah, I think I might have overdone it with FFVIII (though it's somehow still shorter than the other ones in kb), but I don't think I really did with FFX or FFVII. As I was doing it, I was thinking that it's easier to start with too much and trim than it is to start with too little and contemplate what might be worth adding. Ryu Kaze 15:12, 14 April 2006 (UTC)