User:Cretanforever/Archives2006

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Selam

Türk karşıtı Khoikhoi admin oluyor,tanıdığın bütün türklere haber verirsen engelleyebiliriz burdan oy verebilirsin (Metb82 14:05, 26 March 2006 (UTC))

Thank you

Your recent post (this one) in Talk:Izmir deeply touched me. Thank you. If we can understand each other, we can live together as friends again, Greeks and Turks. Thank you again. -- Michalis Famelis 08:26, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

... for your work on Muğla, and your images. I hope that the copyright issues are resolved soon.

--William Allen Simpson 07:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Turkish name

Hi. I noticed that you speak Turkish. Can you please add a Turkish name for this old Ottoman province into this article: Elayet of Temesvar. If you do not know this name, can you tell me who of the Wikipedia users might know? Thank you. PANONIAN (talk) 00:06, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

another new turkish speaker

please introduce yourself to User talk:CrashMex.

--William Allen Simpson 20:17, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, i think there aren't lots of Turkish speakers Wikipedians. So, maybe we can work together in translations. Merhaba, galiba Wikipediada fazla Türkçe konuşan kişi yok. Belki Türkçe tercümler ve isimler için birlikte çalışabiliriz. CrashMex 20:20, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

 Çalışırız CrashMex:) Türkçe wiki'ye dahil misin? I am there more often. Where are you from? Ben İzmir'deyim

Hayır Türkçe wiki'de henüz yokum ama yakında gireceim. I am from Istanbul~. CrashMex 20:29, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Districts of Muğla template

A couple of issues.

Generally, a navigation template like this shouldn't be used. Instead, use {{otherarticles}}. See Wikipedia:Navigational templates and Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes.

Are these really translated "districts"? Where does this fit in the iller and merkez names used elsewhere? Between?

--William Allen Simpson 05:02, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Turkey administrative units

There are 81 'provinces' (il in singular, iller in plural) like Muğla ili (ili is the genitive form of the word). Each province has a number of districts (ilçe in singular, ilçeler in plural), to start with the central district (merkez ilçe, merkez meaning central), which is the capital of that province. Muğla ili central district is the Muğla merkez ilçesi, where the city of Muğla is situated, and Marmaris, Bodrum etc. are its remaining districts.

Province (il) name and the central district (merkez ilçe) name are the same for 78 provinces. They differ in 3 of them (Kocaeli province's central district name is İzmit, Sakarya's is Adapazarı, Hatay's is Antakya). They used to differ in a few more, for example the İçel province has been renamed Mersin in 2002 to match the central district's name. Each province has an appointed governor (vali) residing in the province's central district.

Each district, ilçe, (including the central district) commands a specific area, each has boundaries, within the province. The area depends administratively to the district central (ilçe merkezi, not to confuse with merkez ilçe) where resides the appointed kaymakam, head official for that district, who is answerable to the governor. Central districts do not have kaymakams, they are administered by a vice-governor.

All (central or not) district centers have municipalities (belediye), headed by an elected mayor, who administers a defined municipality area (usually matching, more or less, the urban zone) for defined municipal matters. A growing number of settlements, which are not district centers, have municipalities as well, usually because their population requires one. These are called belde. They haven't (yet) become district centers because there is one too close by, or due to some other reason. So, a belde has a mayor (responsible for its municipal zone), but not a kaymakam, and depend administratively on the district center within the boundaries of which it is situated.

At the bottom end, there are villages, who have elected muhtars taking care specific administrative matters. Furthermore, each quarter (mahalle) of a district center and belde has a muhtar as well, also for specific administrative questions. The designation slightly differs (köy muhtarı for village muhtar, mahalle muhtarı for quarter muhtar) and also the tasks, which are similar but adapted to their locality.

In some cases, a belde can be larger that the district center it depends, and a district center can be larger than the central district it depends, and many other district centers. One final note is the büyükşehir belediyesi, larger municipalities for megalopoles like İstanbul or İzmir, which have at their top an elected head mayor who oversee a number of municipalities and mayors.

I think district is the term that fits best. I did also think of township, but district matches, in my opinion, better. --Cretanforever 09:53, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Rather than thinking about other countries names, and what "fits", what does each word actually mean? Is there an "official" government translation?

il?
ilçe?
merkez? means central? or market?
belediye?
belde? (seems like a cognate)

--William Allen Simpson 11:27, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

What each word meant was clear in the text. To reiterate, 'il' is province, 'ilçe' is district, 'merkez' is central, 'belediye' is municipality, 'belde' is indeed of the word 'belediye', both derive from the same Arabic root, and is a locality that has a municipality. What each word meant was clear in the text. --Cretanforever 11:36, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, those of us who don't speak the language and are relying on a Turkish-english dictionary for these words don't always get them correct. For example, I was getting:

merkez: central for some definitions, and market for others (like a bank)
belde: town; city; community; area; place

which is altogether too many choices. That's why I was trying to narrow it down a bit.... And find out what a native speaker thinks when they translate the term.

--William Allen Simpson 12:10, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Which other country? --Cretanforever 11:36, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

We had a fellow trying to make uniform equivalents for every country in the world, mostly based on UK terms, all the way down to "town", "village", and "hamlet". The consensus currently reflected in the language of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (places) is:

Example: the country has "oblasts" and its government officially translates them as "area", "region", or "zone", then they should never be renamed "province" to conform to another country or some master schema.

The testimony of locals and people familiar with the country should be considered above Google evidence....

Just trying to follow those guidelines. (But then, I helped write them.)

--William Allen Simpson 12:10, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Forgot to mention that the dictionary translates il to both province and county, and ilce to county. That's why I wanted to be extra sure that district was the best "official" word for ilce.

--William Allen Simpson 12:25, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Famous Turks

Selam, I noticed you are Turkish. Could you help add in some prominent Turks to this particular list : List of Turks ? Enter sandman 21:40, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello

This seemed a more decent place to reply to you than the talk page of Yeşilyurt. The incident with your grandfather shouting in the cretan greek dialect to his sisters and being punished for it reminds me of a scene in a popular movie that run in Greece two years ago, called "Politiki Kouzina" (something like "Istanbulean Cuisine") (imdb link here) that tells the story of a greek boy who left Instanbul during or after (I don't remember) the riots of 1956. His family moves to Athens and he goes to school there. There is a hilarious scene where the teacher assigns him to conjugate the word "kolokotronis" which is of course a noun as it is the name of one of our national heroes of the Greek War of Independence. The boy ignorant of mainland Greece's history thinks that "kolokotronis" is a verb (it sounds like one) and starts conjugating it like a verb. Subsequently, the teacher horrified adresses the headmaster who acting "nationally minded" calls the boy's father to his office and gives him a long lecture which essentialy implies that the Greeks of Constantinople are "ethnically suspicious" and should try even harder to prove their "greekness". Well what can you say, our mutual suspicion goes a long way back... Speaking of which, since I met you an idea has popped into my head. The idea is about a wikiProject where Turks and Greeks work together assuming good faith and trying to overcome the said suspicion. I wrote this as a draft. Tell me what you think. Could it work?? Is there any point in trying? I look forward to hearing your opinion. -- Michalis Famelis 21:28, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Yafinsint

About time someone spotted my Yafinsint article. I thought someone would notice the name, which sounds like "I don't exist" in Swedish, but it apparently took a real Turkish person to spot the hoax. JIP | Talk 14:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Regions of Turkey

Hello there! I have noticed that you are quite productive when it comes to the political geography of Turkey. I was wondering, are there any larger regions that the country is traditionally or convetionally divided into? This article lists seven such region, but perhaps statistical agencies group the provinces into larger clusters? //Big Adamsky 08:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

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Turkish districts

Thanks!! I will continue to work on it. As you may have noticed I only transwiki the short articles from the Turkish Wikipedia, as I'm not familiar with the Turkish language. I skip the somewhat longer articles, hoping that someone else will translate them. Punkmorten 16:12, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Hood event

You seem to know more about this than me, so I was wondering if you could help me figure out a particular picture:

http://www.byegm.gov.tr/YAYINLARIMIZ/newspot/pictures/2003/july-aug/n20-26.jpg

The caption reads: "11 Turkish soldiers who were detained by US soldiers in the northern Iraqi city of Sulaymaniyah and taken to Baghdad on July 5 were released on July 7. According to the news channel NTV, the soldiers spent the night at a guesthouse before being taken back to the northern Iraqi city of Sulaymaniyah, where they had been captured. The release came after US Vice President Dick Cheney spoke with Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan on July 7." (http://www.byegm.gov.tr/YAYINLARIMIZ/newspot/2003/july-aug/n20.htm)

Palm_Dogg 04:52, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Turkey

Merhaba WikiProject Turkey isminde bir proje önerisinde bulundum. Öneri olarak en az 5-10 kişi varsa projeye başlamanın daha uygun olacağı söyleniyor. Türkiye ile ilgilenen her kullanıcıya bu mesajı yolluyorum. Gözümden kaçan bu proje ile ilgilenebilecek aktif kullanıcı olursa sizde bildirin. Geçici proje sayfası bu User:Ugur Basak/WikiProject Turkey, bu sayfayada ilgilenmek isterseniz adınızı ekleyebilirsiniz. Wikipedia:Wikiproject/List_of_proposed_projects#Turkey --Ugur Basak 14:05, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Selam Cretanforever , Wikipedia:WikiProject Turkey çalışır duruma geldi sayılır. İlgileniyorsan Wikipedia:WikiProject_Turkey#Participants kısmına ismini ekleyerim, çalışmaya başlayabilirsin. Proje ile ilgili konular tartışma kısmında konuşuluyor. İyi günler --Ugur Basak 19:15, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Izmir

Nice job in the article!good rewording while leaving the disputed part untouched.well done!:). however,do u have any additional information about the Ti-smyrna mentioned by the Assyrians or maybe a link?it seems interesting and i have not heard of that before...so,i'd like to read something more for myself.thanks --Hectorian 16:36, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Malazgirt Battle and Izmir articles

Please try rewriting Malazgirt Battle whenever you find the time. As long as you give neutral sources they can't touch or revert it. It is major battle and consequences very important. Also keep an eye on the Izmir page if you can, there are Greek POV pushers, they already messed up Smyrna article now their target is Izmir. Regards and kolay gelsin.--Kagan the Barbarian 13:03, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

For the last 2 weeks, I tried my best to counter them but now I have stuff to do and I can't be bothered with these people anymore. Because of them Wikipedia is destined to be a playground for propagandists rather than a source of information; in their hands Wikipedia is a toy which they'll eventually break. Regards.--Kagan the Barbarian 16:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I really don't understand why you and Kagan are being so hostile and uncooperative since the moment you got here. You both seem to be under the impression that people want to lie about you or your ethnic backgrounds and somehow insult you. This is not at all the case, at least not where you have been edit-warring. You're making reverts out of pure reaction, not reason. I can assure you that this is blatant to everybody else except you. Try not to be so defensive and be able to understand which edits offer a contribution (NPOV) and which ones depict a personal agenda (POV). Also try to be more objective on your own edits, and think that even if their content is true, it might not be acceptable in an encyclopaedic context or not relevant in a specific article. Miskin 14:07, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

This is written to have left a record. Not a serious user. Frequently applies self-made ruse. See Contributions. --Cretanforever 14:14, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

That is just sad. Oh well, so be it. Miskin 15:49, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Beylik Mevzuu

Gerçi bu Beylik dediğimiz şeyler Avrupa'da aynı dönemdeki feodal prenslikleri mis gibi karşılasa da, hatta Osmanlı tarafından tasfiye edilmeseler bu beyliklerin başındaki aileler yine Avrupa'daki safkan aristokratların bizim topraklarımızdaki birebir karşılıkları olacak olsalar da (ki bunlara Fransızca tabirle "noblesse d'épée" denir, bi de "de robe" olanlar var, bizimkiler "d'épée" yani hakiki aristokrat, savaşarak elde etmişler herşeylerini, o sebeple "prenslik" demekte bir sakınca yoktur) "Beylik" kelimesinin yerleşmesi için uğraşmaktaysanız, kelimenin Türkçe oluşu gereği buna destek olmak hoşuma gider; ama yabancı okuyucuyu fazla sıkmamak için yanına Ingilizce kelime de not edilebilir.Smyrniot 14:24, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Ben Karşıyaka'dayım, selam. Anne tarafım Kandiye, baba tarafı Yunan Makedonyası'ndaki Grevena'dan gelmiş. Yunanlı çocuklarla bayağı kapıştık geçen hafta.:)Smyrniot 15:42, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Ottoman Empire

Eğer şu an burdaysan sayfayı benim son versiyonuma getirir misin. Sağol.--Kagan the Barbarian 17:12, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Izmir

u are right, i had not thought in creating a stub, but a whole article.with a stub article everything will seem in place. I would suggest to leave it as it is, without any (red) internal link. but if u want to remove it, do so, but the sentence that has to do with him, not the paragraph. i may create a stub for him during the day. --Hectorian 11:10, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I do believe that we need a separate article (and separate discussions) on the fire as well. See Great Fire of London. Regards. --Cretanforever 11:15, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

i agree with u. but also have in mind that the fire is also mentioned (briefly) in London article. so, maybe the best would be to mention it in the article as a sentence, and then have a whole article about it. but it seems that both London and Rome (whose fire was also of extreme historical importance) are very expanded and cover every side of the city's history,culture,etc in detail in respective articles. if there will be sister-articles about the city of Izmir, i will also suggest a further expansion (and subsequent discussion) of the event there. Perhaps we could work together in such an article (and also ask someone non-greek non-turkish to be involved), cause i believe that if only one will be about to write it,it will be 'flooted' with POV (i am not implying that u are pushing POV). Cheers! --Hectorian 11:32, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I think we are at the same wavelength Hectorian. Inside İzmir article, reference should of course be made to the controversial events of 1922. I had in mind a phrase like this, (exact terminology can be decided upon later)

"İzmir was occupied by the Greek army as of 15 May 1919 until its retrieval by the Turkish army in 9 September 1922. The Greco-Turkish War of 1919-1922, and in its final days, the 1922 Great Fire of Smyrna*, the lynching of Metropolitan of Ephesus** (collaborator for the Turkish side)***, Chrysostomos Kalafatis, and the 1923 agreement for the Exchange of Greek and Turkish Populations have left marking traces in the psyches of the two nations."

(*) that seems to be the established denomination in English, we can look it up later.
(**) Ephesus or Smyrna? One source I had read said Ephesus, I do not have the time to look it up now.
(***) We can omit that in the main article on İzmir if it will hurt sensitivities. Or put some adjective before the "lynching", like "terrible" or "monstrous", It's up to be decided.

Of course, we can have other sister articles as well. İdeas would abound. Regards. --Cretanforever 12:38, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Seems good. and i guess we are both willing to work on this:)

The word controversial is the accurate one, i believe so.
İzmir was occupied by the Greek army:i would prefer the usage of the neutral term the Greek army landed (since they were asked and backed up to do so, according to an international treaty).
until its retrieval by the Turkish army:in fact, the Greeks landed in an Ottoman Izmir, and were driven away by forces of the Turkish state. i will not insist in that, since we are talking about the same people. I do not know if there should be a distinction between Sultan's forces (who surrendered the city, according to the Treaty of Sevres) and Ataturk's forces (who captured it later). It seems that the Turkish army retrieved something they gave. I do not know if u understand what i mean. As i said, i will not insist on that. I am leaving it up to u.
Great Fire of Smyrna:this must be the exact reference that we have to make. Having in mind that this fire has been compared to the Great Fire of Rome or London and it is considered one of the greatest urban disasters of the 20th century, i cannot think of a better denomination.
According to what i know since childhood, he was Metropolitan of Smyrni (i will have to look whether his title mentioned two city names, Metropolitan of Smyrni and Ephesus-it is quite possible, since many metropolitans have such titles-or if he was formally called '...and of Ephesus', cause of the importance of the place in the Bible).
(collaborator for the Turkish side): this will hurt sensitivities...I have heard nothing about him been considered collaborator, but this may just be my POV. we will think about putting an adjective or rewording it...we'll see about that. but even if we just leave it lynching it just shows the act, without any possitive or negative backround. Also, pls do not write his surname 'Kalafatis':).we never use the surnames of the high priests (compare Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I). afterall, his birth name most likely was not Chrysostomos...

...and something irrelevant:when i first saw your username i thought u were Greek. and now i saw u used the word 'psyches'. do u know Greek? Regards --Hectorian 13:24, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

"İzmir was occupied by the Greek army as of 15 May 1919 until it was taken over for the Turks by the re-constituted Turkish army in 9 September 1922. The Greco-Turkish War of 1919-1922, and in its final days, the controversial events specifically involving the city of İzmir; i.e. the 1922 Great Fire of Smyrna and the lynching of Metropolitan Chrysostomos of Smyrna&Ephesus; and then the 1923 agreement for the Exchange of Greek and Turkish Populations have left marking traces in the psyches of the two nations."

I will put it as worded like this. I am sorry for the term "occupied" but I will stick to it. It has to do with the duration and the posterity, as well as the basis. Never mention the Treaty of Sevres to Turks! :) It is parallel to bringing the Munich Agreement as an argument toward the Czechs (I am not drawing an analogy between Hitler and Venizelos here). The way I see it, that's another article to put in context in the wikipedia. As for the Metropolitan Chrysostomos, I have put it as you read above for the moment. My Turkish source says Ephesus (and Ephesus only), but there might be some POV involved in omitting his Smyrna title.

I have knowledge of Greek-rooted international terminology, but that's all. My family is Cretan Turkish. In Turkey's context, Giritli (Cretan) has special connotations regarding the accent, the customs, the outlook towards life etc. The term actually covers (in Turkish) those Turks who migrated from other Aegean islands as well. So someone's grandfather might have come from Kos or Rhodes, but he could still be called Giritli in Turkey.

Regards, --Cretanforever 14:06, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi!i know about the mentioning of the Treaty of Sevres to Turks...Imagine how the mentioning of the Treaty of Lauzanne sounds to the Greeks!:). Anyway... I thought that we were making a discussion in order to end up somewhere. i did not expect u to edit what was mentioned above, before we agree in all. Furthermore, i never agreed in removing the whole paragraph and replacing it with another(u erased the 2/3 of info). Not that u have to ask for my 'permission' to do it, of course, but u cannot say that i made a compromise for that. I had to leave in the afternoon, thus i was not able to reply to u at that time. so, after making some research, Chrysostomos appears to be only Metropolitan of Smyrni (not also Ephesus). About the other thing, i would insist in using the neutral term landed, cause this appears to be the only NPOV. according to the turkish POV, the greek army occupied Smyrni (cause it was seen as a foreign army in turkish soil). according to the greek POV, the army liberated Smyrni (cause it was an ancient greek city with greek population majority at that time). also, do not forget that the greek army was officially (internationally) aloud to have control in Smyrni and its area of 17,000 sq.km, but not aloud to have control over the rest of Anatolia(as it later attempted and to some extent succeed in it)-it would be wise not to mix these two things. so, i cannot accept neither the turkish nor the greek POV in the article. i will wait for your reply to see if we can find a common ground, but meanwhile i will restore the version to the point we started discussing about that. Regards --Hectorian 20:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm...it is already reverted, so i do not have to do that (saving a rv if things will get wild:p) (i hope this won't happen, though).btw, i thought that an article about Cretan Muslims/Cretan Turks/Turkocretans(as we call u/them) would be really interesting! --Hectorian 20:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, although i think the most appropriate place to place it would be talk:Izmir, because we should not look at the issue only from a Graeco-turkish direction. it would be better for all to participate. and something else: i am not from Thessaloniki, i just study here:) --Hectorian 21:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I have created the stub Chrysostomos of Smyrna. although i still cannot understand why it was such a big deal to do so... --Hectorian 21:04, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Gr-Tr board

Hello! Are you still interested in the Greek and Turkish wikipedians board of cooperation? I think we have mustered enough people to get this started, but since it's been quite some time, it would be nice to have a confirmation by the people who have shown interest, before going official. Please leave a note (affrimative or negative) in the proposed project talk page. --Michalis Famelis 16:54, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Muğla

hocam iyi anlaştığımdan falan değil, bu Khoikhoi yunanca karşılığını eklemiş,bende silsem rvt edileceğini bildiğimden yunan şehri gibi yazmasın diye eski adını da ekledim. karşılığında da ilk türkçesini koydum. eleştirmeden biraz daha dikkat lütfen. (Metb82 05:27, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

merhaba

Wikipedia'yı genel olarak kullanışlı bir bilgi kaynağı olarak görmeme karşın Türkiye ile ilgili birçok konuda Batılı(!) bir önyargı olduğunu üzülerek görüyorum. Ermeni sorununun ya da Kıbrıs konusunun tartışmalı olmasını doğal karşılamak gerek ancak PKK ile ilgili maddeler sürekli engelleniyor; (zaten var olan) terör kurbanları kategorisi altında PKK tarafından öldürülen sivillere (öncelikle öğretmenlere) yer vermeye çalışıyorum ancak PKK'nın terörist olara nitelendirilmesi bile engelleniyor. Bu konuda yardımlarınızı bekliyorum. bkz:User talk:Cool Cat Yasemin Tekin --Hattusili 07:04, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Yol göstericiliğin için teşekkürler, amacım saldırganca bir tutum takınmak değil yalnızca Türkiye ile ilgili bazı önyargıları kırmak, şiddet eylemlerine körükörüne sempati duyulmasına karşı koymaya çalışmak. yardımların ve eleştirilerin beni çok mutlu edecek. --Hattusili 07:27, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

1930'lardan kalan Türk düşmanlığının bütün meyvelerini burda görüyorum ve bunun kırılmasının çok zor olduğuna inanıyorum. Hedefinde başarılar:) 85.98.108.2 09:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

About the images

Hey, its me User:KillaShark. We'll have to take the bottom 4 including Guler Sabanci off on Turkish people, because they aren't free. Some of them, like Tarkan's are obviously promo pics, which would never have released for free usage by the author. The rule is that such images cannot be used to illustrate a subject other than the one potrayed in it, so it doesnt fit the criteria to be included on Turkish people. Sad, but I just learnt this. Sezen's pic is alright though because another editor obtained permission from the photographer for its usage in the article:( Kilhan 19:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Images from TSK website

Hello Cretanforever. I noticed that you uploaded a photo of Buyukanit. Are all photos from TSK website considered as public material? And does this apply to all Turkish state institutions??? All the best Bertilvidet 15:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish propagandists

Some kurdish extremists are trying to add Turkish cities and provinces to the nonsensical [Category:Kurdish provinces], [Category:Kurdish cities] and [Category:Kurdistan].--Teccen 12:49, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

WP:POINT

Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point. WP:POINT. -Will Beback 03:38, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Allianoi

Hi Cretanforever,
I appreciate your pictures in the article Allianoi very much. You 've written that you had received a permission for publishing in Wikipedia. That's fine, because a few months ago I asked the webmaster Mr Ormanlı for his permission and got no answer. Perhaps that's why I'm no Turk, only a German or for whatever reasons. Are you strictly allowed to publish these images in the turkish and english WP, only, or is it possible to publish them in all Wikipedias? If so, would you be so kind and upload them in Wikipedia:Commons, too? Kind Regards, Bonzo*

Hi, thanks a lot for your fast and kind answer. I understand your German very well, but my Turkish is even worse :-[ Sounds, you're a genius of language. I created the half german edit about Allianoi and so I'm well informed about Mr Yaraş, his excavations and his fight against the Yortanlı Dam resp. agas - tough man. Next day I will try to upload the pictures of Allianoi in Wikipedia Commons. Best wishes, Bonzo* 84.172.242.87 22:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

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Cretan Turks

Selam, Cretan Turks sayfasını yeni gördüm. Benim ailemde hem anne hem baba tarafından Giritli. Gerçi Türkiye'ye gelenler dedemin dedesi zamanında antalya elmalıya gelmişler ama sayfada çoğu asker kökenli yazdığını görünce şaşırdım. Bende fotoğraflarını gördüm hepsi askermiş. Acaba Giritli türkler herhangi bir araştırma veya bilgi varmı başka elinde merak ettim. Hoşçakal. Metb82 22:44, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

yerli halkla kaynaşma oldu mu bilmiyorum ama benim baba tarafına "Forçatakis", anne tarafına "Grandakis" deniyormuş. Giritliler genelde başarılı insanlar, benim baba da dede de doktor, anne tarafı da hep avukat. Burda bile 3 giritli çıkması bizim zeki olduğumuzu gösteriyor :) Smyrniot un yazdıklarını da okudum belli o da çok zeki. Biz örgütlenip başka bi ülke kuralım bence. Türkiye'nin sorunları bitmez :) Metb82 23:02, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

International Association of Genocide Scholars

I thought you might be interested in this article.

I also feel you might want to enable the email option allowing me to contact you much easier

--Cat out 12:42, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Adding e-mail

How do I enable an e-mail option Cool Cat? Could you just indicate the pages explaining? Thanks. --Cretanforever 14:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

On the "preferences" page there is a field where you can type in the email you want messeges to be sent to.

You should check the checkbox labeled "Enable e-mail from other users"

You will also need to "authenticate" it. A link should be avalible in the reddish box which should read something like:

* E-mail (optional): Allows us to e-mail your password to you if you forget it. If you also "Enable e-mail from other users", then others can e-mail you from your User or User talk page by using the "E-mail this user" feature. Note that the sender's e-mail address will be visible to the recipient. If you change your e-mail address, you will need to reconfirm your address.

--Cat out 15:41, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Muhbir vatandaş

İnsanların Türkçe bilmemesinden istifade edip, haklarında atıp tutmaktan, onları hedef göstermekten daha onurlu bir davranış olduğu için "Muhbir vatandaş" nitelemesini seve seve kabul ederim. Ancak, ilgili maddede yeri olmadığı için sözkonusu ibareyi kaldırdım. Arzu ederseniz bir "barnstar" nev'inden, benim kullanıcı sayfama elbette koyabilirsiniz. Saygılar. Behemoth 13:36, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

You know, the Ottomans of Crete were largely Islamicised Cretan Greeks... Miskin 16:49, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

And? :) (cretanforever) (Sorry, my signature doesn't work for some reason) :)

And, you might be one of them. Maybe a good reason to have a pro-Greek attitude, as I used to have a pro-Turkish attitude before I run into Kagan. :) Miskin 18:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

There's some pro-truth stuff in recent edits I made like Ege University, Güzelçamlı, Ayvalık which happens to do justice to Greek things&people (with a few pokes here&there due to circumstances, I am watching to see the day a Greek eye will detect them like lightning:), but calling a spade a spade in general. (cretanforever) (Sorry, my signature still doesn't work)

Min tu ksanaapandisis, tha fiyi. --Telex 19:08, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah well, I'm the not kind of editor whose main and sole interest is to satisfy his patriotic insecurities over the internet, which usually involves putting down other nations (a la User:Makedonia or User:Macedonia). I just don't take kindly to POV-pushing. And besides, I've got my own sources already. ;) Miskin 19:23, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Islamicised Cretan Greeks? you say it like its a bad thing :D most people in Turkey are islamised something. Like do you think the Greeks are pure Ancient Greeks anyway? Metb82 04:47, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Category:Kurdistan

The use of this category in articles is not about promoting Kurdish independence. Kurdistan is a geographic and cultural region, not a political one (except in Iraq). Also, if they're going to be removed from Turkish province articles, they should also be removed from articles about Iranian provinces as well. —Khoikhoi 22:44, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I understand your point now. :) It seems to me that the term Kurdistan has somewhat negative connotations in Turkey. (example) But I respect your opinion and I'll revert my edits, if someone wants to add the category back, they may do so. Incidentally, the user who created the category was known for pro-independence POV-pushing. Adios. —Khoikhoi 23:29, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Cretan Turks

Hi! U are doing a really great job in Cretan Turks:). and i know that u have personal reasons to be interested in this article. i saw that u copy-pasted info from History of Crete among other articles. i added some 'citation needed', for some things seem to be POV with no references. looking forward to see it developed, as u said. Regards --Hectorian 02:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

"Pontian genocide"

Thank you for your contribution to the "Greek Pontians genocide" article. i hope you dont mind i changed selanik to salonica( if you do mind, feel free to change it back to selanik).--Greece666 18:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

The g-word

By the way, since you are interested in the genocide controversy in general- you might find this article interesting--Greece666 18:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Thx for your reply- regarding the article it is about the armenian genocide and it is not the usual "who killed whom" story- the point of the writer (mazower) is that many turks resist the word genocide not so much because they do not know the facts, but because they regard the word genocide as a confirmation of the alleged "turkish barbarity". (in short europeans for many decades paid attention when muslims killed christians, but did not pay attention at all when christians killed muslims)- this is not to deny the validity of the armenian genocide- it is to say that the history of the ottoman empire has to be reexamined under a more positive light. (and by the way, i think that the history of cretan turks is most relevant- as in greece they were often ignored or totally forgotten. in any case some books were written lately on the issue and greeks have started to reexamine this period) best--Greece666 18:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

slm aslında tam emin değilim neresi olduğundan ama aldığım yerde galiba içmeler yazıyodu. wowturkeyden fotoğrafı çekene bi soriym. tabi ekle linkleri güzel olur. teşekkürler görüşürüz Metb82 03:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Hristo Botev

I put a tag regarding the neutrality of a section of the article and this is the comment I got(from bulgarian guys) "Well, from a Turk I can accept to question the neutrality of the article (I would rather question its quality), but, sorry, not from a Greek".
the most objectionable aspect of the article is that it uses the word "the enemy" to talk about the turkish army.

best, --Greece666 08:53, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

User: Clevelander

User: Clevelander has made some 10-15 consecutive edits in the Hamshenis page. He saves a page for each comma he has displaced which makes it rather difficult to find out what he has changed. I saw that he is of Armenian descent (therefore naturally interested in the stuff). I also saw that he has had a big dispute with fellow Armenians on the subject of pulling out Armenian Americans from a general List of Armenians article to include them in a self-made List of Armenian-Americans article. He lost the debate and now he is around here. I discussed with him briefly on Hamshenis talk page to see him off smoothly. He is gone now. He is in the neighborhood of Nagorno-Karabakh and Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline putting good order in those issues. On his way out, he discovered a sizable Georgian community in Ardahan and duly re-phrased the photograph caption, all this sitting behind a desk in Cleveland. I will wait a few days to make sure that he is busy tidying other parts of the world and then recuperate the Turkey-related articles he has been in. I think that is the best way to take this kind of contributor. She is putting good order to the world through an internet encyclopedia and won't leave before having planted a flag on a promontory.

If you are interested in sea mammals, check this [1]. It is not, of course, unless the wifey is from St. Louis and the mother is in Bali. But it is close (there are photographs), and sometimes even associable (they had to run for their lives during the 2004 tsunami). I don't like the letters DB anyway, they are always associable.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Cretanforever (talk • contribs)

[2]... I see he added 350,000 to the number of people in the table, removed Category:Ethnic groups in Turkey... Weasle words: Whether Christian or Muslim, most Armenians are willing to work with and try to understand their ethnic cousins. It isn't all that difficult. Problematic for certain.

--Cat out 21:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

What about http://www.dannyvanbelle.com ? I dont think I get the picture... --Cat out 21:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Hood event

Question on Hood event

Khoikhoi, I have a question on the subject of the article Hood event. If you look at the caption under the photograph, it reads, "Soldiers from the 173rd Airborne Brigade detaining suspected Iraqi insurgents in Operation Bayonet Lightning in December, 2003. The raid on Sulaymaniyah would have probably looked similar to this.". Is this a valid turn of phrase for a photograph caption in wikipedia, "would have probably looked similar to this" ? I contributed lightly to that article in the past but haven't touched the caption. Still, I am puzzled over it. Regards. Cretanforever

Hey Cretanforever,

I believe I've seen things like this before, the image is probably there to substitute for the fact that there is no picture for the raid of Sulaymaniyah in the article. Instead, there's an image of a similar event that happened a few months later. If someone removed the last sentence in the caption, then they might was well remove the image altogether because it would be like having an image of the Battle of Normandy in the Battle of Saipan article. Hope that helped. —Khoikhoi 00:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the response Khoikhoi! In fact, someone added what he claims to be actual pictures from the Hood event to Turkish wikipedia [3]. I thought over adding one, but the source seems problematic. There could be a point in adding a picture if the actual one in that article was also problematic. But finally I think "the game is not worth the candle" as they say in French. Amicably. Cretanforever

Hmmm, perhaps the images were taken by the user himself, but he didn't provide any copyright info, so there's no way of knowing (unless someone contacts him/her). Oops—I'm now sure if you know this, but in the U.S., ethnicity is somewhat of a casual conversation topic, like "what's your name"? Anyways, my bad. Allahaısmarladık. —Khoikhoi 00:26, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Just noticed the image at the bottom of Cretan Turks—just awful. —Khoikhoi 03:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

What about it? —Khoikhoi 15:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry Khoikhoi, it has nothing to do with you. I had pasted it here by mistake. Cretanforever

Martin Van Bruinessen

Thanks for your contributions to the Martin Van Bruinessen article, but we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material. Perhaps you would like to rewrite the article in your own words. For more information, take a look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Happy editing!--Alabamaboy 01:32, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Odd link

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kurds_in_Turkey&diff=prev&oldid=50722613

Photo in Cretan Turks

Hi. I really do not think that this photo belongs in that article. firstly, it is about Cyprus. secondly, it is used in a POV-pushing way. the quotes that u added and are desperately trying to link Crete and Cyprus, come from far-right sources (e.g. Denktas and, as u let to hypothesise, the turkish army). i would really like to see how the cretan turks feel for the turks of anatolia, or for the cretan greeks, and not read an article that is trying (in a very indecent way) to justify the turkish invasion in Cyprus... i am removing the photo, but not the references about cyprus yet. btw, why are u saying to see your talk page for the picture? i did not see anything about it here, apart from a comment by Khoikhoi. --Hectorian 00:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Ilghazi

Hey, hopefully we can find a solution for this like we did for Artukid dynasty...but for now, Ilghazi is just "Ilghazi" in English, so I moved it back. Maybe it doesn't make any sense in Turkish, but that's what we call him. Unfortunately we call him a lot of other things too, but off the top of my head, "Ilghazi" seems to be the most frequent spelling. Adam Bishop 03:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

Veciz sözlerden çok bir "Support"a ihtiyacımız olabilir; kudret damarlarımızdaki asil kanın birleşiminden doğar, değil mi güzel kardeşim? ;) Kertenkelebek 21:53, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Atatürk gibi, onun kadar olabildiğimi, olabileceğimi iddia etmiyorum zaten, tartışmam kalın kafalara dayanamamamdan kaynaklanıyordur ki, bu kadar gereksiz bir konuda o kadar fazla temelsiz muhalefet var ki kanıma dokunuyor. Yapılması gereknei defalarca yapmama rağmen her seferinde eski haline geri getirildi, anladım ki Paşa'nın dediği gibi burada da "konjonktür önemlidir". Desteğin için sağol. Ne olacağını görelim bakalım. Kertenkelebek 22:23, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Turkey is described as a "beast" by leading Greek columnist

Hi Cretan! I contributed to Yoruk so I know you from there. I want to draw your attention to a very agressive article just published by the Greek broadsheet Kathimerini in which Turkey is described as a "beast". Come round to User_talk:Apostolos_Margaritis#Kathimerini.27s_foul_language to read it. Maybe you should inform other Turkish or Turkophile users of wikipedia about this quite outrageous -in my opinion- stuff. 15:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)Apostolos Margaritis 15:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

The paper by Hakan Ozoglu

Hi,

you inquired about the paper and expressed doubt whether it was actually written by Ozoglu. I can send you the paper (PDF) through e-mail, if you want, but I can not provide on-line access to the journal since my access is a paid service and not appropriate for a free encyclopaedia.

Cheers, Heja Helweda 04:01, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

E-mail Problem

Hi,

There seems to be problem with your e-mail address:

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. <cretanforever@mynet.com>: Remote host said: 552 sorry, that message size exceeds my databytes limit (#5.3.4)

The file is too big (4 Mb), I'll try to break it down to smaller files.Heja Helweda 20:03, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

1922 İzmir yangını

Mustafa Kemal'in telgrafını sayfaya koymamdaki amaç, yangını çıkartıp bizzat yönetmekle suçlanan Ulu Önder'in kendi ağzından olaya bakış açısını tarihi bir not olarak gözler önüne sermektir. Bahsettiğin anlamsız sayılar ve baştaki rakamlar dediğin gibi konuya dair bilgi içermemekle birlikte, telgrafın ana metninin bozulmamamsı için çıkarılmamış, olduğu gibi korunmuştur. Kertenkelebek^Ⓣ 06:18, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922)

Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) sayfasının geçmişine göz atmanızı rica ediyorum, yunanlılar sürekli olarak yanlı yazılarında ısrar etmekteler. Tüm kaynaklarımı sunmuş ve mümkün olduğunca (fazlaca) tarafsız olarak gerçekleri ortaya koymuş olmama rağmen sayfa sürekli saldırıya uğruyor, bir yerden sonra tek başıma yapabileceğim fazla birşey de kalmıyor. Zaman ayırıp yunanlıların ve destekçilerinin yanlı yazısının sayfadan kaldırılmasında yardımcı olabilirseniz çok sevinirim. Kertenkelebek^Ⓣ 10:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

How does it feel?

To be thrown out of your home? I guess you know what the Greek Cypriots feel like seeing as Kriti (Greek Island), was purged of the faith of satan (Islam).

Central Asia

WikiProject Central Asia has finally been created! If you're interested, please consider joining us. Aelfthrytha 21:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

İlham Əliyev

Hi again,

It seems I have no right to speak to you. I send you a message yesterday, and you answered it, thank you. But it doesn't please to User:Theresa knott. So, she has decided to erase this message I have no right to send you. Of course, she has the right to do that, it's natural. You'll see on my own talk page what she wrote: "You are spamming native turkish speakers, that introduces bias. This is an english speaking encylopedia. Please don't do it anymore." [4] So, I have right to speak to you, and you have no right to vote. I'm sorry for that. Švitrigaila 11:38, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Rifat Özbek

Hi, I'll be glad to help you out. Will it be Rıfat or Rifat? Could you help me out with Ahmet Koç article by the way?

Do we have any article in Wikipedia about Balkan Turks who arrived to Turkey after Balkan wars? Nearly all my family is from there (bir sürü başkaları gibi!) and I think we should present the story about those people as well... Europeans act like only Christians have sad stories... --Gokhan 07:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Karditsa

I will leave aside how the hell u know that Karditsa is near my town, cause i am not sure if i have mentioned it somewhere and u saw it:p --Hectorian 01:46, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide article

ermeni soykirim makalesiyle ugrasmaktan biktim artik ben gidiyorum. boylelikle makale tamamen ermenilerin insafina kaldi. yuz kere yardim istedik kimsenin umru degil. eyvallah.

I do not know who you are, you wrote from Germany. If you speak French, you can cite the diary of (Adapazarlı hemşerimiz) Hrant Sarıyan, which is in the web as translated into that language by his grand-daughter, with important precisions on the measures taken for the iaşe of the deported by the Ottoman state, on Armenians' killing of Turks, on the sole massacre of Armenians witnessed by the author having taken place in Halep in 1918 days after the departure of Turks and having been committed by Arabs, and also on the general famine during 1918 when the state structure crumbled and during which time thousands perished. I wrote on this in the Turkish wikipedia (see the article "Hrant Sarıyan" there, links to the original texts are at the bottom). Personally, I find murder or personal stories very interesting but I think genocides are extremely boring:) Cretanforever

Note that, at present, these diaries are "raw material". They make very interesting read, one can draw personal conclusions from them, but it would be wrong to try to add them to the corpus of knowledge as such. They need to be academically treated, by someone of good repute, as Leyla Neyzi has done for Yaşar Paker diaries. Cretanforever

Kemal Gözler

FYI: the article Kemal Gözler has been nominated for deletion: see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kemal Gözler. --Lambiam ^Talk 21:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi cretan

I replaced the image you put up (this) with this recently uploaded image. Is that fine with you ? May I also bring your attention to the Turkification article. It seems to have some serious POV issues and disputes regarding to the scope of the article. Your input would very much be appreciated. Regards--Kilhan 04:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Aha, no wonder you replaced it on sight of my previous edit. It all makes sense now:) Yeah, the turkification article sure seems like a platform for people to vent their anger against the "sick man of Europe"(see [5][6]). On the bright side, things over there can only get better now that some turkish and other neutral editors know that it exists, though I imagine theyre not very happy about it. Yeah, I think it should be moved it to his Turkish name, considering he was very much Turkish and gained fame in Anatolia. Try moving and see if it meets any resistance from the usual "Arabic is the language of Islam" crowd. There doesnt seem to be much activity on the article, so I figure it'll not be that big of a problem. Can you also keep an eye on Turkey? It seems to attracting quite a few anons intent on making it something-less-than-objective. Regards--Kilhan 18:23, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Muhajir (Caucasus)

Can you please look at the Muhajir (Caucasus) page which is similar to Muhajir (Turkey) page. Siddiqui 17:01, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Translation

I see that you're a skillful speaker of English and French, eh? There's a small task to be done, and it would be appreciated if you did it: In the article Hickory Dickory Dock, there's a section on a similar-sounding French rhyme. It has a machine translation underneath, which is mostly comprehensive, but still has a line that says "From Meuse groove, houp! blisters." Would you please translate this into plain English? --Gray Porpoise^{Phocoenidae, not Delphinidae} 20:28, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Turkish Provinces

The Turkish provinces such as Rize Province and Artvin Province do not have Turkish spelling but has other regional languages. Can you check all Turkish provinces. Thanks. Siddiqui 13:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Templates and all

Valla geldigimden beri bakiyordum, diger her ulkenin bir topics in xi var, biz yetim gibi kalmisiz ortada, see also'lara ekleme çikarma yapiyoruz :))).. Onune gelen birsey ekliyordu, boylece fazla gerilim olmaz hem de butun makaleleri birbirine baglamis oluruz, eskiden atlaya atlaya geçiliyordu. Bu arada Human rights in Turkeyi bastan asagi tekrar yazdim.. Paso 100 yuz negatiflikti, valla anlamiyorum insanlari.. Sayfa da soyle yaratilmis zaten [7] ! Her neyse, genel insan haklarindan bahsettigi için cumhuriyet tarihinde verilen haklari ve de bazi iddialarin hukuki bazini anlattim.. Yani human rights in arabia olarak da isimlendirilebilirmis eski hali.. :)) Mesela, adamlar devamli diyor ki European Charter for Regional or Minority Languagesni uygulamadigi için TR barbarmis falan filan, halbuki bu antlasmanin uygulamasi Fransada anayasa mahkemesince durduruldu ve fransa uygulamiyor.. Olay bu zaten, her olayda TR kotu.. Hiç baska ulkelerle karsilastirip olayin derinligine inme yok.. Zaten o yuzden ilk isim Turkish Constitutioni bastan asagi yazmakti.. Simdi foreign relationsa geçiyorum, Turk-Azeriyi dedigin gibi degistirdim.. Ilker Basbug için bilemiyorum, ama iki sene sonra GK baskani olacagini dusunursek kalabilir diye dusunuyorum, zaten bunu dusunerek yazdim, diger komutanlara dokunmadim.. Immigration to Turkey iyi olmus, boyle bir makaleye gerçekten ihtiyaç vardi, onemli guncel bir olay.. Her neyse hadi kolay gelsin! :) Baristarim 06:36, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

aha.. :)) Turkçe vikiye bir daha bak.. :)) Zaten biyografiyi direkt [8]den almistim.. Je sais pas.. Ne dusunuyorsun? En azindan kalabilir diye dusunuyorum, ilerde onemli olabilir :).. Baristarim 07:16, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[9].. Sen KKKnin maddesini mi diyordun? Baristarim 07:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Miskin

Cool Cat, without taking sides, could you take a look at this user's history, such as on Cretan Turks page but also elsewhere. Am I the only one who thinks that, removing information sourced or transferred from another article, and then putting it back, and then removing it again, and then writing long diatribes mentioning my user name again and again are calculated and subversive acts? He is in dispute with a lot of people (even with the Serbians - for a Greek, that's an accomplishment). I had made it clear some time ago that I didn't consider him a serious user.

Now I am starting to think that there is an agenda for, perhaps, creating pet little Greek Muslims to brainwash the next generation of Greeks:) (check the vote on the title Greek Muslims on that article's talk page, it was the caucus of the century [10]). The only problem is that they are nowhere to be seen, and very few among those population groups included in the category consider themselves as Greeks. That should raise question marks for a serious mind. I am beginning to think that the organized bullying of Cretan Turks page forms part of a general trend. Before his arrival, the page was being developped constructively with involvement from another Greek user. Regards. Cretanforever 21:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for getting back on you about this in a delayed manner.

Is the issue still a problem? What exactly is the problem with the artice/user (I havent looked)? Have you tried WP:RFC?

--Cat out 12:38, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't mind for the moment. If I start to mind, I will try WP:RFC as you suggest. It's part of a general habit of making alphabet soups out of ethnicities. People are no longer being referred to along religious denominations. That was 19th century talk (i.e. Bosnian Muslims). And in the case of Turkish Cretans, Greeks are very badly placed to put forth denominations. The more so when their own language defines Turkish Cretans as Turkish Cretans. If they bully the page, I will add hurtful stuff. One fine day, they will grow up! :) Cretanforever 12:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

A patient pacifist approach is the better side of valor. If you end up adding info in a biased manner, I can't help you. Do not make edits driven by revenge. Furthermore in such a case, an RFC would not go well... --Cat out 13:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Occupation of Izmir

Hi Cretan, i know you've contributed to the article before, its been tagged and put up for deletion. Please give your view here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Occupation of İzmir Thanks, --A.Garnet 18:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Ayip etim Cretan, bayramin kutlu olsun. I know its not the right way, but as it is, the article will be deleted for no other reason than pov pushing. What next, TRNC (I would not be surprised)? Anyway, i hope you have a happy bayram Cretan. Thanks, --A.Garnet 20:47, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, not much i know about marinas in TRNC Cretan, other than the Girne harbour is very nice :) Great article though. --A.Garnet 19:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Your edits

It've been cleaning up behind some your edits. It's not that they're false most of the time, it's just that they're extremely one-sided and badly-written. I remember as back as the Battle of Manzikert dispute that you were having trouble expressing yourself in an "encyclopedic" way, and ironically you were surprised when your edits were reverted. For example look at the red text of this edit [11]:

"On the other hand, On the other hand, one can argue that, if an Emperor is lost to captivity and had to be bailed out, and Turkish horsemen had started roaming all over the Anatolian heartland in a few years, if that is not a disaster, what is?"

Is that what you call "professional level of english", because I tend to mistake such edits for vandalism, or for a bad joke. Was it my fault to remove this? Because after I did you were whinning in Talk for being unjust to you. This serves only as an example, you have definitely improved since then, but I still think that you're unable to see the lack of neutrality in your edits. Miskin 11:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Karapinar again

Hey, have you seen this? Khoi khoi 00:57, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Infobox templates

Dear Cretanforever, Şablonlara çok emek vermişsin.Amacım yaptıklarını bozmak değildi. Şablonlarda bazı iyileştirmeler yapılabilir gibi görülüyor.

Tüm şablonlarda üst satırda isim ile birlikte bayrak yer alsa iyi olur.

1-İl şablonu(Infobox provinces of TR);

İl haritası burada yeralmalı

Valilik web siteside burada yeralmalı

altta ilin ilçelerini gösteren şablon ve Türkiyenin illerini gösteren bir şablon olmalı.

2-Şehir şablonu(Büyük şehir ve kasaba ayrımı nasıl yapılabilir?ayrı bir şablon olabilirmi?)

Türkiye üzerinde Şehir lokasyonunu (nokta halinde) gösteren bir harita burada yeralmalı

website:sadece belediye(birden fazla belediye olma durumuna dikkat)websitesi olmalı

altta büyükşehir ve bağlı belediyeleri gösteren bir şablon ve Türkiyenin illerini gösteren bir şablon olmalı.

3-Prefecture mi yoksa district mi ilçeyi/kaymakamlığı daha iyi tanımlıyor?

ayrı bir infobox olmasında yarar var.

İl haritası üzerinde ilçe arazisini gösteren bir harita yeralmalı.

sadece kaymakamlık websitesi olmalı

altta ilçenin köylerini ve ilin ilçelerini gösteren şablon olmalı.

4-Köy ve beldeler için bir infobox olursa nasıl olur.

hangi bilgiler yer almalı.

Böyle bir projeyi beraberce götürebilirmiyiz?

Önerilerini bekliyorum. Saygı ve selam. Mustafa Akalp ^TC 10:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Templates

Please see User:Mustafa Akalp/template. You are free to modify totally. regards Mustafa Akalp ^TC 13:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

User_talk:Mustafa_Akalp/template

User_talk:Mustafa_Akalp/template Sınıflandırdım. Lütfen bak-Düzelt/ekle/çıkar. Selam Mustafa Akalp ^TC 17:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

User_talk:Mustafa_Akalp/template

User_talk:Mustafa_Akalp/template Lütfen bir bak. Esas olan "City"(Infobox town TR). diğerlerini bu formata göre düzenleyebiliriz. Lütfen bak-Düzelt/ekle/çıkar. Görüşlerini bekliyorum. Bu şablonlardan sonra yapılacak çok iş var. "Mayors of Turkey","Governors of Turkey", Kasabalar, köyler vb. Selam Mustafa Akalp ^TC 17:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Request of assistance for vandal user behaviour by Khoikhoi

Could the administation and users take an independent look for the following reversal of useful and pertinent contributions at the Mustafa Kemal Ataturk site please? It is very difficult for me not to interpret the revision by Khoikhoi as disrespectful vandalism and disruptive behaviour. More I studied his log history at various article related to the Turkish subjects and prior bans for the same disruptive behaviour, more concerned I became. Could someone help revert the edits he damaged and request him to be more respectful to others' work? Thank you.

(cur) (last) 16:06, 10 November 2006 User:Khoikhoi (Talk | contribs) (rv to last version by me) (what last revision? this is a whole sale deletion and vandalism, is it not?) (cur) (last) 14:59, 10 November 2006 User:Incir (Talk | contribs) (→External links) (cur) (last) 14:26, 10 November 2006 User:88.242.84.98 (Talk) (→See also) (cur) (last) 06:19, 10 November 2006 User:71.162.66.250 (Talk) (→An Overview in A Nutshell) (cur) (last) 05:59, 10 November 2006 User:71.162.66.250 (Talk) (→International relations)

Templates

Please take a look

Regards Mustafa Akalp ^TC 15:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem

Hi, I noticed there may be a problem with the image copyright at Image:GirneMarina.jpg. You said you were publishing it under a free license, but the permission e-mail from the photographer seems to be saying "yanlız söylediğiniz sitenizde kullanabilirsiniz" ('you may use it only on your site that you mentioned'). That makes it a non-free license, since the photographer has explicitly not given permission to redistribute it to other sites, which is a prerequisite of GFDL and the other free licenses.

I'm afraid I'll have to delete that image in a short while unless you can obtain a better license from the photographer.

Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Hamshenis

Hey, ça va? I just put a post about in that talk page about two politicians.. I wasn't around when this article was written, so do you have any more info on the sources for those two? Cheers! Baristarim 21:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok.. I am not knowledgable about the subject either, so that's why I asked.. tx Baristarim 21:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Hamshenis

Hi Cretanforever, "User:Macukali wrote a beautiful article on Hamshenis in the Turkish wikipedia" is from your message to Baristarim. Whatis the name of that article in Turkish wiki. Thanks. WhiteHero 22:31, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Template-project

Ok.I am in Trwiki.please goto project page.RegardsMust ^TC 07:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Cooperation board launched

A new (and overdue) Greek and Turkish cooperation and notification board has been launched here. Stop by, have a look and sound off! Cheers! Baristarim 07:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Mentese is the norm

Wikipedia is trying to stay on par with professional encyclopedia patterns.

The place and dynasty were identified in Encyclopaedia Brittanica as Mentese.

A google search on Mentese and Menteshe will indicate that the former produces more "hits", and that more hits pertain to the place and dynasty.

Futhermore, the search indicates that the former relates to Turkish and English usage. The latter relates to German usage.Dogru144 18:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply

Yes, let's go with the modification of Mentese to Menteşe. The 'sh' spelling probably reflects an attempt to spell the word as it sounds. How would we change the 's' to 'ş' on the main appearance of this word on the page?

I'd just note, with regard to future categorization, that this dynasty was separate from and begun prior to the Ottoman Empire, so it would not fit under the category of Ottoman Empire. Cheers, Dogru144 18:48, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Menteşe resolution

I'm not from the region. I'm just quite interested in the area, particularly Fethiye. I thought that Menteşe warranted an article. But I have visited the İzmir province and liked it.Dogru144 19:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Fethiye

Thank you for the welcome. I didn't know if you meant welcome to the page for beefing it up or welcome in the actual Fethiye. In any event, I am edited-out for the week. Cheers. Dogru144 02:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Havale

http://maviboncuk.blogspot.com/2006/12/struma-and-mefkure.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.96.166.210 (talk) 02:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

"Havale" notunu görünce heyecanlanmıştım:) Konuyu anlayınca Karadeniz'de gemilerim battı. Cretanforever 09:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

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Mutlu Yıllar

Selam.. So what's up, hope that all is fine... I will leave Wiki for a couple of days, so happy new year! Cheers! Baristarim 10:06, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

sefker Bingöl Adaklı İlçesinde bir yer adıdır.

sefker ile ilgili Eser:Hattusili yorumunu gördüm. Sefker, Bingöl Adaklı İlçesinde bir yer adıdır. Halkı kendilerine seyyid derler. Emevilerin zülmümden kaçarak Bingöl'ün en dağlık ilçesi Adaklı nın en uzak ködağdaki köyüne sığınmış olduklarını söylerler. Halkta böyle kabul eder. İki buçuk sene kaymakamlık yapıpta terör, uzaklık ve arazi şartları nedeniyle uğrayamadığım tek köy yerleşimidir. --3210 01:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Bilmiyordum, teşekkür ederim. [12] hakkında 16 ciltlik bir çalışma yapmış olan Constantine Fotiades diye bir tarihçi de yok zaten:) Ne anlam buluyorlar bilmiyorum:) Cretanforever 03:34, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Kurban bayramınız mübarek, yeni yılınız kutlu olsun

merhaba cretan, kagan the barbarian ben, çaktırma ;) --Doktor Gonzo 14:23, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Turkey

Selam... En son yaptigin edit'i gordum de, o kismin detaylarini konusma sayfasinda halledelim diyecektim. En azindan FA'nin bitmesini bekleyelim. Gordun, zaten durum sakatlasiyordu :) Zaten buyuk ihtimalle o kismi yeniden yazip ondan onceki paragrafla birlestirmeyi veya iki paragrafi da biraz genisletmeyi dusunuyorum. cheers Baristarim 09:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

No, not at all actually. The problem is not the content, it is how it is done... I said that I will expand that section and merge the paragraphs if neccessary. The sections should be concise however, see my notes on the talk page about the list of ethinicities.. Zaten kavga ede ede hiçbir sayfanin hiçbir yere varacagi yok :) Tek demek istedigim FA sureci bitinceye kadar kavga çikmazsa iyi olur. Senin ne dedigini anliyorum, ama olaya boyle yaklasmak iyi degil. Sayfa herhangi bir zaman iyilestirilebilir.. Sayfa iki aydan beri sakin, o yuzden fazla bir sorun çikmasi iyi olmaz. Dedigim gibi, o en son iki cumlenin yeri sonra degistirilip ya diger paragrafla birlestirilecek ya da iki paragraf biraz daha gelistirilecek. Ama olayin daha fazla buyumemesi için epey bir çaba sarfediyorum. Eger o kisimlari daha fazla genisletirsek bu sefer ermeni olaylarina verilen yerin daha fazla artmasi için kavga çikacak. I hope that you understand what I am trying to say. FA'den sonra birçok seyin yeri degisirilebilir veya kucultulup genisletilebilir. Ama hoca, koskoca Acarlari bile içeren bir etnik listesi verip Selçuklularin ve de Osmanlilarin anlatildigi bolumu karistirmanin da geregi yok. Bana kalsa ben olaylari oradan çikarip dis iliskiler kismina koyarim. Ilk once bakalim tarih kisminin buyumesine gerek var mi. Tek dedigim tam FA sirasinda biraz daha dikkatli olmamiz lutfen. Cheers! Baristarim 09:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

fa geçsin sayfayla isteyen istedigini yapsin... Yani biliyorsun makalenin fa'de oldugunu ve ne kadar çaba sarfettigimi, bana ne biçim not birakiyorsun? Pfff... Baristarim 10:11, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Merak etme, farkindayim. O makale sittiin sene hiç bir yere varamazdi... O makaleyi idare edip her kisminda ortayolu bulabilmek için ecel terleri doktum. Diger makalelere de sira gelecek ama cengaverler gibi saldirmakla makaleler bir yere varmiyor, c'est tout. Yani bir FAC'i okusan da beni anlasan diye dusunuyorum, ama imkansizi mi bekliyorum yoksa? :)) Baristarim 10:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Turkmen spelling

Hi,

I wondered if you'd be interrested by giving your opinion about the spelling of the Turkmen names on Wikipedia? If you do, you can do it here. Thanks. Švitrigaila 11:53, 30 December 2006 (UTC)