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That proxy IP

that popped up on the talk page - I'm assuming it it's not you but just wanted to make sure - it's not you, is it? Volunteer Marek (talk) 03:20, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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August 2018

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on Talk:Keith Ellison. [1] VQuakr (talk) 23:55, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I assume good faith until I see no reason to assume good faith. Your BLP claims are bogus in the face of wide WP:RS coverage. That is why I now assume you are agenda driven. BarbadosKen (talk) 05:03, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Vanessa Delgado

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Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List order at List of The Big Bang Theory characters

Please stop reordering the cast lists at List of The Big Bang Theory characters. Per WP:TVCAST, which I linked to in my edit summary, "The cast listing should be ordered according to the original broadcast credits, with new cast members being added to the end of the list" and "recurring and guest stars will not necessarily be credited in the same order in each episode in which they appear, so their place in the list should be based on the order of credits in the first episode that they appear." There is no exception for cameos, which are treated as guest stars, to be listed in alphabetical order. If you have a problem with this, please start a discussion at the appropriate MOS talk page. Please also note that, per WP:BRD, when your edits are reverted you should not simply revert the change. Instead you should open a discussion on the article talk page and attempt to gain consensus for your edits. --AussieLegend (✉) 03:48, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that you are confusing cast with guest appearances. There is the regular cast, and there are guests. The cast is credited every episode. The guests are not. The way you are proposing to list the guests makes no sense, as it is neither chronological nor alphabetical. BarbadosKen (talk) 07:41, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, that's not correct. Main cast are normally credited in every episode although there are plenty of programs where some main cast are only credited in episodes in which they appear, as are recurring and guest cast. That's why guest are specifically mention in WP:TVCAST. --AussieLegend (✉) 12:53, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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SNL 44

Your es was not responsive to my concern; I don't want to edit war, but what I said is still a problem and you have not addressed it and therefore compounded it. How about the same text with semicolons rather than line breaks and sub-bullets? jhawkinson (talk) 22:48, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I don't fully understand the issue that you bring up. What is wrong with giving prominence/space to what re truly minor details of a single skit? Readers who are interested can read it, and readers who are not interested can skip it. BarbadosKen (talk) 23:08, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The sub-bullet format allows for the non-interested reader to more easily skip, and for the interested reader to better absorb the information. BarbadosKen (talk) 23:09, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It would be helpful for you to respond to my compromise proposal. The problem is that giving inappropriate weight to minor details makes it hard to find the information people are mostly interested in. To give an extreme hypothetical: an encyclopedia article about SNL that spends 80% of its space on the architecture of the 8th floor of 30 Rock is going to make it hard for people to find what they want. The structure of information is important, and there's an implicit link between volume of information and structure. When you use sub-bullets here, you make the information take up 4x as much space. The only other instance of a 2ndary level sub-bullet is in Ep. 1, where it's about something that's pretty significant, that generated a lot of public discussion and even media articles (Kanye West). Not true for the cameo appearances in this intro skit. It may not seem like such a big deal, but as the article gets longer, it becomes more important. Readers can skip the ends of sentences just like they can skip sub-bullets. In fact, arguably more easily -- with a sub-bullet, they need to start reading each one, and with a long sentence, they can just skip rest of the sentence/bullet/paragraph. So I'd say that no, the sub-bullet format does not allow the reader to "more easily skipped," and you haven't made the case for why bullets allow the "reader to better absorb the information." I don't see offhand why that should be true (and, even if it is true, why it's worth the cost here of space here). Again, I suggest flattening it to one line with semicolon separation jhawkinson (talk) 23:50, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly do not see your point, and don't think your hypothetical is appropriate. This is an online encyclopedia, not a printed book, so there is no problem with having white space. In fact, putting information into a big long paragraph has a derogatory name within Wikipedia called "WP:Wall of text".

The example you give about "the architecture of the 8th floor of 30 Rock" is inappropriate because this material is irrelevant to the subject (that's why you would just link to the appropriate article). All SNL season articles list appearances by non-cast members. That's the standard.

Having information in bullets is a great way to list information. In this case, since there is a long list of different groups of guests, grouping the different guests into different bullets helps in the organization.

BarbadosKen (talk) 02:06, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Ken when you warn someone about edit warring and your warning is responded to and acked, you can consider the editor warned. Please heed requests to stay off user talk pages. You know where to escalate if needed. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 18:14, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely. I tried to have a discussion with user:AussieLegend to avoid an edit war. Once the discussion failed, I warned him/her that further edit warring would result in me filing a complaint against him. That apparently set him/her off and he/she characterized my posts to his/her user talk page as harassment. A little ironic, since he/she is harassing me by edit warring with me. BarbadosKen (talk) 18:24, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

But like here you added a warning after the already-warned editor asked you to leave. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 18:44, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also just to make it official (although I want to emphasize the "It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date." part):

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Where else am I supposed to warn him against edit warring? Up to that point, I was engaging him in a discussion to try to come to an understanding. It was only once he made it clear that he is not interested in reaching an understanding, that I gave him the warning, and since there is no other appropriate place to give the warning, I gave the warning in his user talk page. BarbadosKen (talk) 18:48, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You had already warned! No need to warn any more. Are you asking where to escalate after a warning is unheeded? ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 19:00, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Once I warned him, I did not continue to edit his user talk page (except for fixing a spelling error). BarbadosKen (talk) 20:12, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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