Template talk:Systems of government

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I'm colourblind, and some of these colours look identical to me, at least on my mobile device. The colours that look similar are:

**Presidential republics with a full presidential system** looks very similar to **Constitutional monarchies which have a separate head of government but where royalty still hold significant executive and/or legislative power""
**Parliamentary republics with an executive presidency responsible to the legislature**, **Parliamentary republics with a ceremonial/non-executive president, where a separate head of government leads the executive** and **Countries in which constitutional provisions for government have been suspended (e.g. military dictatorship)** all look very similar.

Could the colours possibly be changed to make it easier for colourblind people to tell them apart? J.Gowers 19:59, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I tried making color blind version, you can see on the right.

Pallete that was used is https://personal.sron.nl/~pault/#fig:scheme_rainbow_discrete_all

Svito3 (talk) 03:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not colorblind and some of these colors look nearly-identical to me. I think this has more to do with there being too many forms of government on this map. For example, it looks to me like "Provisional government" and "No government" should be merged into something like a "no data" category. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 05:18, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Constitutional Monarchy"

This seems like an oversimplification. Under the ceremonial monarch, there could be any system of government actually running the country. Not sure what to do about it. Quequotion (talk) 03:33, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would argue, that it might be imaginable but not practical, since if the constitution does not work in the sense of republicanism it would most likely become a military or one-party rule. Nsae Comp (talk) 07:36, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One-party states as republics?

Hi, I understand why one-party states are seperate, but technically a party-state is (probably allways) a republic. Shall we point towards this in brackets or put it with the republics? I am reluctant to put it under republics, because then you might as well put constitutional or semi-constitutional monarchies. So ill start the discussion by adding in brackets "by constitution republican". Nsae Comp (talk) 08:03, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Correction:"in principle republics"; they are not necessarily republican, even if afterall republics, because republican implies an ideology and just being a republic is due to its res publica dimension as public-party state. And also not necessarily by constitution Nsae Comp (talk) 08:26, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Parliamentary?) Republics with presidents elected by legislature

Well in short I think that this template is the wrong place to discuss if this type of republic is parliamentary or something else.

I think this discussion should first take place in the parliamentary republic article, since it is listed and included there. If it is seperated or listed as republic, only then would I change it here away and have for example only "Republic with ...".

Besides these countries are described as parliamentary republics in their articles, for example south africa.

Last but not least, if they are less parliamentary, then they should be semi-presidential, as such maybe the category should be dissolved and seperated out between parliamentary and semi-presidential. But I am not a fan of this, because i like the depth this category provides. Nsae Comp (talk) 23:55, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

South Africa is a parliamentary republic with an executive presidency, as their president is subject to parliamentary confidence. Semi-presidential is a category that only applies if there is both a directly elected president that is not subject to parliamentary confidence and a prime minister that is dependent on parliamentary confidence and serves as head of government. This is not the case for these countries. At list of countries by system of government we've clearly distinguished between assembly-independent systems like Suriname and parliamentary republics with an executive presidency like Botswana and South Africa. Fuse809 (contribs · email · talk · uploads) 04:16, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. I just wanted to make a point mentioning semi-presidential systems and as said I do not find it a fitting solution. But my argument stays unanswered: before "(Parliamentary?) Republics with executive elected by legislature" is discussed and changed here, it should be discussed and differentiated at the more public specific article (since templates are not that frequented). Besides the list you mention also uses "Parliamentary Republic" for the green case. Nsae Comp (talk) 08:43, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Largely because there's no decent alternative general category to put them under. But, I agree it would be best to debate this at Talk:parliamentary republic. Fuse809 (contribs · email · talk · uploads) 08:50, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I looked now closer at this "assembly-independent systems" category, and find it interesting. But if the whole problem is that there is one category on the map, but two in the articles afterall, then I would take the articles allready established distinction and call the category not "Republic..." but both "Parliamentary republics with elected president by legislature OR assembly-independent ...". Afterll using just "Republic" is misleading since it is not the quintessential republic. Nsae Comp (talk) 09:11, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've started a discussion over at Talk:Parliamentary republic#What falls under this category and what doesn't? about this, so let's continue it over there. There's a third OR missing in that proposed caption, OR directorial republic. I wouldn't opposed that change to the caption. Just so long as we don't categorically class them as parliamentary republics, ignoring the definition in the very article we'd be linking to. Fuse809 (contribs · email · talk · uploads) 09:29, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. See you there. Nsae Comp (talk) 11:42, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

This template was nominated for merging with Template:Forms of government map on 17 November 2023. The result of the discussion (permanent link) was to merge.

HudecEmil (talk) 10:09, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Colors have to be in a structural systematic

The colors need to have a certain relation to each other by category

either: all parliamentary systems fo the same color, but in different tones – same for presidential systems, monarchy etc.)
or: parliament or presidential power has to be of the same color, but in different tones (dark for monarchy, mid for presidential republic, clear for republic etc.)

The main tone of the group has to be in the same base color. If not the map is not giving an overview that the eye can easily group what is the main aspect of this map. --ProloSozz (talk) 10:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see your own discussion on Commons:File talk:Forms_of_government.svg#Color Changes. Svito3 (talk) 14:29, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Swapping green and cyan colors is pointless. I think swapping yellow and green, and green and cyan makes more sense if using your reasoning. I haven't done it because it's a breaking change compared to adding distinction between green and cyan, they were both previously just green. Also having assembly-independent republics as green closer to yellow is fine with me, as those systems differ in one feature, accountability of the government to parliament. In same way semi-presidential and presidential systems differ in accountability of the government to parliament. I made a handy Euler diagram of the legend to demonstrate, you can see on the right. And the table with fully democratic systems below.

A typology of executive-legislative systems^[1]
	Does the executive's survival depend on the legislature?
Is the executive (partly or wholly) popularly elected?	Wholly	Partly	No
Yes	Prime-ministerial	Semi-presidential	Presidential
No	Parliamentary	Semi-parliamentary	Assembly-independent

-- Svito3 (talk) 00:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Theocratic republic" and Iran

I think that "Theocratic republic" only applies to Iran so I just edited the template to reflect this. Gibranalnn (talk) 06:23, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ Ganghof, S (May 2018). "A new political system model: Semi-parliamentary government". European Journal of Political Research. 57 (2): 261–281. doi:10.1111/1475-6765.12224.

[Ganghof-1] Ganghof, S (May 2018). "A new political system model: Semi-parliamentary government". European Journal of Political Research. 57 (2): 261–281. doi:10.1111/1475-6765.12224.

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