Template talk:Overcoloured

This template was considered for deletion on 20 August 2024. The result of the discussion was "redirect".

This template was considered for deletion on 2009 September 18. The result of the discussion was keep.

Overcolored doesn't show date

While {{Overcoloured}} will display the date (e.g. List of Total Wipeout episodes), {{Overcolored}} does not (e.g. Wipeout (2009 Australian game show)). Could someone please fix this? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:36, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done the parameter wasn't passed through. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:08, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for continuing to resolve my requests! GoingBatty (talk) 16:39, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect

An editor is seeking a consensus that this template be redirected here.

There is no need for two separate, same templates. ~~Gamingforfun~~³⁶⁵ (talk) 18:24, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How do you propose to handle UK/US spelling differences? --Redrose64 (talk) 22:33, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is not that I dislike the template for its British spelling; it is only that these two templates have the same function. Surely, the template may be appropriate for British English readers, but that is just it. The only difference is the spelling, and that may although very insignificantly clog the Wikipedia servers. My point is that we have no need to have duplicates of templates with only a few minor changes, although I may be quest as to why I had picked this template instead of the other.

But some people like the idea of having the spelling difference. I just do not see why we must have it. Do you? ~~Gamingforfun~~³⁶⁵ (talk) 03:15, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a duplicate. {{Overcolored}} is a wrapper for {{overcoloured}} with |US=y forced. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:51, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Use in templates

I have used this template (perhaps incorrectly) in templates, such as the Template:London Heathrow Airport navbox, which have colour issues. Unfortunately it doesn't add the templates to the Category:Wikipedia articles with colour accessibility problems. Can it be updated to be used on templates? Cnbrb (talk) 22:03, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Cnbrb: It's not necessary. The navbox code includes contrast checks (to a limited extent) and the page is automatically placed in Category:Navboxes using background colours. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:07, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Redrose64: Oh thanks I had no idea. So is this (rather huge) category patrolled by accessibility police? I suppose I'm just keen for these templates to be marked for review. Cnbrb (talk) 08:14, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Much of the backlog dates back to before Module:Color contrast was incorporated into Module:Navbox, but another factor contributing to the size of the category is that some people - particularly sports fans - insist on navboxes being coloured to suit the primary topic of the navbox. {{London Heathrow Airport}} is actually quite mild, and I find it readable - the worst cases (see for example {{1955/56/57 Melbourne triple premiership players}}) end up in Category:Potentially illegible navboxes. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:51, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, it's not a bad case - still worth checking it though. But then again, I have seen some perfectly acceptable boxes that test completely fine in all my contrast filters still being de-colourised by accessibility police, so I tend to err on the side of caution. Yes, sports teams, religion and London Underground lines! And that Melbourne template is an abomination!!

Cnbrb (talk) 11:37, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

{{London Heathrow Airport}} uses two background colours and two foreground colours, but only three of the possible four combinations are found:

Plain text black on lightsteelblue, for which the contrast ratio is 11.8 which is above the 7.0 requirement for WCAG 2 AAA Compliance
Linked text blue on lightsteelblue, for which the contrast ratio is 4.79 which is WCAG 2 AA Compliant but not WCAG 2 AAA Compliant
Plain text black on #D0DAE7, for which the contrast ratio is 14.86 which is way above the 7.0 requirement for WCAG 2 AAA Compliance.

The religion people usually confine their colours to a pair of horizontal lines - the top and bottom border of the title row, which ordinarily has a white background. London Underground lines also restrict the colour - in this case to a pair of coloured rectangles, achieved by setting the left and right borders of the title row to 2.7em wide, which otherwise uses the default background. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:38, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Use on Wikimedia Commons?

I frequently see images of charts or maps where the only distinguishing characteristic is color. Can I add this template directly to the image's Wikimedia Commons page, since it may be linked on multiple articles?

Examples:

Edit request after TfD

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

The TfD was closed as redirect to Template:Overcoloured per discussion, using the autodetect feature of {{engvar}} as discussed. Special:Permalink/1241335259 contains the version that uses the feature.

@Redrose64: You requested that this should not have been by editing the live template, hence this ER to request the implementation of that TfD's close. To avoid warring, I will let you or someone other than me edit while I'm on wikibreak for a few weeks. 174.89.12.36 (talk) 04:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done NotAGenious (talk) 15:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Broader scope of why overcoloring is bad

I think the phrase should be rewritten a bit to indicate that while colorblind readers are the most important single factor in why communicating information solely through color is bad, there are others—a good example of when there's universal benefit from a dimension of accessibility improvements. In addition to being easier to read regardless of whether one is clinically colorblind much of the time, avoiding overcoloring also means I don't have to worry about losing part of the article when I print the article out much of the time—does that sound insanely specific in 2024? One gets the idea, I hope:

This article may overuse or misuse colour, making it hard to understand for colour-blind users or in certain display situations.

Dunno. Remsense ‥ 论 09:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Broaden scope of overcoloured maintenance category to include templates and files

The {{overcoloured}} currently only tracks articles, in Category:Wikipedia articles with colour accessibility problems. It would be better if it also tracked files and templates.

For example, the template {{Transport in Mexico City}} overuses color and has contrast issues. But when I add {{overcoloured}} to it, it doesn't show up in Category:Wikipedia articles with colour accessibility problems.

With the help of a Village Pump discussion DMCA template for templates? (This link is subject to breaking when the discussion is archived), I have come to the conclusion that the following code in the {{overcoloured}} template:

{{DMCA|Wikipedia articles with colour accessibility problems}}

would best be replaced with one of the following:

{{DMC|Wikipedia pages with colour accessibility problems}}

or

{{DMCFACT|Wikipedia pages with colour accessibility problems}}

{{DMCFACT}} also tracks categories. While I don't expect categories to have contrast issues, since they usually don't have content, I believe it would do no harm. {{DMC}} includes everything, so might be overkill.

Credit to Remsense for raising this possibility.

Thisisnotatest (talk) 20:24, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I tried making the change and it didn't work, so I reverted it. Specifically, {{overcoloured}} turned up in the list rather than the expected {{Transport in Mexico City}}. Thisisnotatest (talk) 19:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After amending Template:Overcoloured, did you perform a WP:NULLEDIT of Template:Transport in Mexico City? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Redrose64: Doh! Thank you! That was it. Additionally, most articles are now moving over to the new category. I need to take a break now and I'll nulledit any remaining ones in a bit.

I see there is one file that was detected; nice! Oddly, {{overcoloured}} was detected itself, presumably because the resulting {{overcoloured}} textbox is included in the template. I wonder whether there is any way to exclude it from being listed. Thisisnotatest (talk) 02:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category renamed

The category has been renamed to Category:Wikipedia pages with colour accessibility problems, see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_13#Category:Wikipedia_pages_with_colour_accessibility_problems. – Fayenatic London 11:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]