Template talk:Navbox currency symbols/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Why is the franc sign listed as a former currency sign? As far as I know, it's still used in many parts of Africa, and other locations.

Why are only some currency signs mentioned in the table? Signs like "kr" are nowhere to be found, although other two-letter signs such as "Lm" are there. (Stefan2 21:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC))

Assuming that the currency signs should link to the present currency, I changed S/. to link to Peruvian nuevo sol, as this is the currency of Peru at this time. --ErickAgain 21:55, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Image

I actually don't think the image was to small, and thought it conveyed the jist of symbols around the world well. It should be included, if not as was, maybe the template can be stretched and implemented on the bottom of pages. Joe I 05:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Should this be a navbox?

The infobox-like format of this template has a high wrecking-ball potential for article formatting, and tells us nothing about the individual currency sign itself. It provides a nice way to navigate to different currency symbols, however. In this case, wouldn’t it be better if this were a navbox? I’d like to see input before I enact that drastic a change unilaterally, but I’ll do it in a week if there isn’t really any objection. -BRPXQZME (talk) 08:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Seeing no objection, I have gone ahead and done it, updating all articles using the template. -BRPXQZME (talk) 06:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Kr as symbol?

I noticed the "Kr" sign is missing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krona) Pollodiablowiki (talk) 21:01, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

A currency sign doesn't have to be "special" to be included

See this edit. Sivanesh (talk · contribs) removed elements with edit summary: "Removed reference to currencies which do not have a special sign. This template is about currency signs and not currencies. Only currency signs should be added and not ISO currency code". Three notes:

• I agree that it should be "currency sign", so the dollar-symbol "$" should appear once (not repeated for CAN$, US$). OK.
• "not ISO currency code": OK, although there were no ISO currency codes (three letter codes like "USD", "GBP") there at all. OK.
• "[removed those] which do not have a special sign": disagree. Why should they be "special"? The sign for the Lao kip is ₭ (a special), and the sign for South African rand is "R" (regular letter) as used. They both are currency signs, so they both should be in there.

I propose reverting the edit. -DePiep (talk) 15:03, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

sings defined in Unicode Private Use Area

I've reverted some six sign changes. They were using codes from the Unicode Private Use Area (in the range U+E000-U+FF8F). Codes in this area can have private definitions, and can have multiple different private definitions. To show correctly, the font must be present at the user side, that follows these specific definitions. The presense of such font we can not control, so the sign will show not or wrong.
I've reverted those that have a general Unicode alternative, like Ft for .  and  might be different from available characters, so might need an entrance here. -DePiep (talk) 09:15, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Symbols not displaying

About a dozen of the symbols display as boxes in my browser.
A standard approach with such language or symbol issues is to display a special character notice, that tells you what to do about the matter.
I don't know which notice is appropriate.
Varlaam (talk) 18:52, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Russian Ruble

The Russian ruble has an official symbol now, , this template needs to be updated to account for it. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 02:54, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Indian rupee

The symbol for the Indian rupee is not available in the editing box. SpiritedMichelle (talk) 19:41, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

This in not the right place to ask, but you should be able to copy-and-paste the ₹ symbol from this template. Verbcatcher (talk) 21:03, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Proposal: rename this template as Currency signs

per WP:Common name. We have dollar sign, euro sign, indian rupee sign, pound sign, ruble sign, rupee sign: all signs no symbols.

(To make it happen will require a Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests but the procedure is different if anybody objects).

Comments? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:37, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Regular letter currency signs

Some currency signs are defined as a regular (pre-existing) letter. For example, the Guatemalan quetzal is latin "Q", and is formally used by Banco de Guetemala.

But Eyesnore has removed this

once, es: Basic letters are not special currency symbols and

twice, es: What only belongs here are currency symbols that are Unicode characters other than the basic Latin alphabet.

I object to the removal, and to the logic behind it. Whether the sign is a regular letter or a special sign is not relevant for inclusion. The navbox aims to show all existing currency signs: these all belong here. Also, Unicode is not defining those, just representring those. Unicode is not the judge in here. The Reader must can use this navbox to find each and any currency sign. (Maybe the editor is confused witrh the wrong entrance: "List of all non-regular currency signs as defined by Unicode"? This list should be elsewhere, if at all.)

(BTW, another flaw in this disapproved logic is the exception for Latin letters, but not non-latin letters. Why would that be? And does this logic accept "Pts"? Anyway, this is all moot). -DePiep (talk) 09:46, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

@DePiep: Using your logic, "Bs." (bolívar), "R$" (real), Q (quetzal), "S/" (sol), "zł" (złoty), "Ft" (forint), "Kč" (Czech koruna), "kr" (krone, krona), "DM" (Deutsche Mark), "Fr" (franc), and many others must all be included in the navigation box. Eyesnore 14:52, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, these should be in there too (assuming these are correct). Good catch. Do you agree? -DePiep (talk) 15:45, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Main use of the navbox is: a reader sees/knows some currency sign, then should be able to find the link/article from here. Missing signs would make this less optimal. -DePiep (talk) 15:52, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

@Eyesnore:: So, making the listing complete, including Latins, is OK? -DePiep (talk) 02:26, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

@DePiep: It means we have to add every currency symbol that was ever used to the navigation box. It is found at Currency symbol#List of currency symbols currently in use. Lead section of the Currency symbol Wikipedia article reads "A currency symbol or currency sign is a graphic symbol used as a shorthand for a currency's name, especially in reference to amounts of money." Eyesnore 04:56, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

That would be the principle yes ... The list has some 116 signs (including the extra rupiahs). Plus some 41 historical ones. Currently this template has 41 signs. I'll prepare a version in the sandbox, see what we can do. -DePiep (talk) 15:10, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Could be acceptable if we organise them: group by continent, or by Latin/non-Latin origin? -DePiep (talk) 15:10, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Just adding my support for DePiep's logic. It is hardly a huge burden. My preference would be for Current Latin-based, Current non-Latin, historic Latin, historic non-Latin. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 17:11, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Signs and abbreviations

Just coming back to this, it remains important to distinguish between currency signs – symbols that are formally designated as such or are widely recognised as representing that currency – and commonly used abbreviations. For example, the Egyptian pound has no designated currency sign but the abbreviations LE, £E and ج.م are commonly used, sometimes concurrently. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 11:42, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Latin-based symbols vs. other?

Consider: we split the "current" list into two: Latin based and non-Latin based.

฿ ₵ ₡ ¢ $ ₫ € ƒ ₣ ₲ ₭ ₦ ₱ £ Rp ₨ ₸ ₮ ₩ ¥

රු ૱ ௹ 円 元 圆 圓 ﷼ ៛ ₽ ₹ ֏ ₴ ₾ ꠸ ₪ ⃀ ৳ ₺ ₼ ⃀ ৳ ₪

This would help the reader to recognise & find signs they look for. DePiep (talk) 15:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Makes sense to me. Support. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 11:30, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Split criteria should be: visually alphabetic, not by background. So "$" counts as "S", irrespective of its history. "£" for"L", reight? DePiep (talk) 19:36, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

.. and group the second row by script. For starters. DePiep (talk) 19:44, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Of course. Not that it especially matters, but £ is an L. The crossing line means abbreviation. Pepys just wrote l as in l20.--John Maynard Friedman (talk) 13:14, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Will have to research the scripts for each; basically from {{List of currency symbols}} I think. -DePiep (talk) 05:52, 6 September 2022 (UTC)