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Infobox for cloud tops

There is no section or parameter for maximum cloud top height. While this isn't a commonly used parameter recorded in secondary sources, cloud top heights are occasionally recorded when it's an exceptionally high value, and it can be useful for describing the intensity of supercells and some cyclones specifically, so I am requesting it be considered to be added. GeorgeMemulous (talk) GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:03, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Damages" should be "damage"

"Damages" as used here is incorrect and should be replaced with "damage". See WP:DAMAGES. I propose that "damage" be added as an alias for the "damages" parameter and then we can replace all usage in articles with it, then finally delete the "damages" parameter. Note that other infoboxes already use "damage" instead, e.g. Template:Infobox public transit accident. Un assiolo (talk) 14:09, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Un assiolo: There's no reason to change anything. Damage is what is stated within the infobox when both damage and damages are used. Noah, BSBA^Talk 15:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake. It seems both damage and damages are allowed, and they both show up as "Damage", so we're most of the way there. We just need to deprecate damages in favour of damage. It needs to be deprecated because it gives the impression that "damages" is correct. I think the parameter can be replaced in articles where it is used by a bot, and then we just remove the functionality from the template once that's done. I'm going to update the documentation to replace "damages" with "damage". --Un assiolo (talk) 17:20, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such need; it harms nothing to have an alias available in the code. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:31, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Satellite parameter?

@Chlod: or really anyone else, is there a way that a "Satellite tornadoes:" parameter could be added? This is mainly for 2007 Greensburg tornado, but it would be beneficial for readers in several articles. I suck with code, so I'm afraid I'll mess it up horribly. :) E_F⁵ 22:29, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @EF5! Where would you like it to appear (which section of the infobox), and in what form? Chlod (say hi!) 05:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Chlod: Preferably under the “winds” parameter (for the tornado infobox, no other weather event has satellites), and just “Satellites:”, “Associated satellites” or “Satellite tornadoes”. E_F⁵ 13:02, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @EF5! Sorry it took a while to get back to you. It seems your approach on 2007 Greensburg tornado was actually the best one here, since it seems adding in another parameter to enable the header for use on the /Tornadoes box would increase its complexity without much good reason. Another section in the infobox is best represented with another sub-box. I've created {{Infobox weather event/Satellite tornadoes}} to standardize this; you can use the following template code on 2007 Greensburg tornado:

{{Infobox weather event/Satellite tornadoes
| winds = Unknown
| tornadoes = 10 confirmed
| fujita-scale = EF1
}}

Do also take note that any parameter on {{Infobox weather event/Tornado outbreak}} can also be used here. If you have any further questions or concerns, please do tell! Chlod (say hi!) 21:17, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unofficial ratings

@Chlod: could you add an unofficial rating parameter should be added for tornadoes, displaying similarly to the Fujita or Enhanced Fujita scale rating when tornadoes are not assigned an official rating but have a widely accepted rating? See also Talk:1925 Tri-State tornado#Oh boy. Ratings could display as F5 tornado (unofficial) and retain their colour much the same as an official tornado (current attempts to do this result in no colour and a not-quite-broken infobox). Either way, we've agreed EFU/FU is unsourced, EF?/F? is less than ideal (and perhaps even WP:SYNTH), and no rating in the infobox is technically correct but also not ideal when an accepted rating exists. Departure– (talk) 15:20, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Departure–! I've added in |unofficial=, which shows up exactly as specified here. You can find more information at Template:Infobox weather event/Tornado/doc. If you'd like to instead have this appear as it does in 1925 Tri-State tornado (Unofficial EF5 tornado), please feel free to tell me. Chlod (say hi!) 21:34, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]