Template talk:Infobox radio show/Archive 1

Archive 1

Merging Template

I'm going to merge Template:Infobox Radio with Template:Infobox Radio Show as they serve identical purposes and are almost the same, both being derived from Template:Infobox Television.
I will temporarily add a few extra fields here to minimise disruption during the merge. --AGoon 20:41, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Merging done, you should only see minor differences in formatting, and a few extra fields available (any problems tell me on User_talk:AGoon). Perhaps hold off using new fields for a week, just in case there are any problems or objections. --AGoon 01:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Removed myspace attribute

I have removed the myspace (MySpace Profile) attribute as I couldn't see any reason for such a specific field in an infobox for radio shows, even if it is an integral part of one radio show, it's certainly not a general attribute applicable to radio shows. The only page that was using this attribute was This_Week_in_Science (TWIS), strangely enough user TWIS was the user who created this version of a radio show template (although another almost identical one already existed) and the user that added that attribute to the base TV template s/he was working from. I moved the info in the myspace Infobox field to the external links section of that wikipedia page. --AGoon 10:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Presenter attribute

Should we have a presenter attribute for the infobox? Programmes such as Desert Island Discs, Today, PM, and, oh, much of BBC Radio 4's output could usefully have this in the infobox. At the moment, one is left with a choice between starring and narrated, neither of which seems appropriate. If there are no objections, I'll be bold and simply add this attribute. TimR 12:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I have added the presenter field. --PhantomS 07:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Conductor attribute?

What about a conductor attribute for the infobox? A number of radio shows had orchestras with conductors of note who have existing Wikipedia articles. Alphageekpa 19:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Imagesize parameter

This seems to be a tricky problem. The parameter has previously been implemented something like this:

[[Image:{{{image<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}<!--
-->|{{{imagesize<includeonly>|180x180px</includeonly>}}}]]

The problem with this is that if you use the template by pasting the empty version in and filling in some of the fields, but leaving the imagesize field blank, like this:

 {{Infobox Radio Show
 | show_name          = After Henry
 | image              = AfterHenrySimonBrettNovelCover.jpg
 | imagesize          = 
 ...

then when the template gets expanded, the imagesize parameter is defined, but empty. As a result, the default value of 180x180px is not used, and the {{Infobox}} template is called with its image parameter set to:

[[Image:AfterHenrySimonBrettNovelCover.jpg|]]

(Note the "|" character at the end.) Unfortunately, this isn't what we want, as the 180x180px value isn't used, and, more worryingly, the {{Infobox}} template can't cope with this correctly, so the image is not displayed at all.

The unexpected side effect of this problem is that as the functionality was accidentally broken after some pages had successfully used this template, some pages which haven't been edited since still retain the image in the infobox, but for some reason the "File links" section on the corresponding image pages no longer show the pages which should contain them. As a result, some are being marked in good faith as orphaned, (e.g. these two) and probably some are being deleted.

I think that it's a bit much to expect people to know that they have to remove the imagesize call to get the default value, rather than simply leaving it empty, so we're going to have to cope with it being defined, but empty. The best way to do this, as far as I am aware, is with the #if parser function. I've now fixed this twice to something along the lines of this:

|image = [[Image:{{{image<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}<!--
-->{{{#if:{{{imagesize|<noinclude>1</noinclude>}}}|{{{imagesize}}}|180x180px}}]]

This looks messier, I admit, but it works, as it passes the default 180x180px value when the imagesize parameter is defined, but empty. Please do not change this without checking that it's not going to break existing, correct pages. Thanks. TimR (talk) 09:20, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Captions not visible

Captions, when used in this template, are not visible, not even on your sample infobox. See for instance, A Prairie Home Companion, The Al Franken Show, and Performance Today. What's wrong? Please fix. Thanks. Softlavender (talk) 20:00, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Whoops. Fixed. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 23:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Oops, still not working on such articles as A Prairie Home Companion, The Al Franken Show, etc., etc. You may have to restore it exactly as it was for those to work. Softlavender (talk) 02:27, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Purge your cache. The template works fine. If it needed to be "restored exactly as it was for those to work" I'd have said so, rather than claiming to have fixed it. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:37, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Can we put the show title INSIDE the box (at least as an option)?

Most all infoboxes for the performing arts have the title inside the infobox, and it seems to usually look better that way. Can we add that as at least an optional feature here (using the "above" invisible tagline)? I don't personally like the look of the title hovering over the infobox, espcially when it contains a logo, and I would like to be able to move the show title inside the box. See: Template:Infobox#Title, Template:Infobox Film, Braveheart. Thanks in advance. Softlavender (talk) 01:50, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Whether it looks better that way is subjective; the W3C recommends the HTML CAPTION element for its semantic value, and for that reason I'd prefer it were kept. That the in-table version is used on other templates isn't in itself an indication of consensus there ({{infobox film}} is an exception, as it deviates from the {{infobox}} norms for other reasons too, mostly as a temporary compromise; I plan on revisiting that in future). As for having an option, that isn't a good idea - we shouldn't allow the subjective tastes of different editors to make infobox templates inconsistent across different articles based on the personal tastes of the editors adding each infobox. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:14, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Air dates display

 Done

For shows still running, the infobox displays:

Air dates 1973 to

Or, with the documented "last_aired=date":

Air dates 1973 to date

I propose a backward-compatible change that'll always display them as:

Air dates since 1973

| label21 = Air dates
| data21  = {{#if:{{{first_aired<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}|{{{first_aired}}} to {{{last_aired<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} }}
| label22 = No. of series

will be replaced with

| label21 = Air dates
| data21  = {{#if:{{{first_aired<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}
| {{#switch: {{lc:x{{{last_aired<includeonly>|date</includeonly>}}} }}
 | x|xdate|xpresent|xtoday|xnow = since {{{first_aired}}}
 | #default = {{{first_aired}}} to {{{last_aired}}}
}} }}
| label22 = No. of series

I've tested it OK. The "x" thingie is to catch a field with spaces as well as a non-existent field. So the "since DATE" format will go whether there is no last_aired or "last_aired = ", or "last_aired=date" (or "Present" or similarly used values) and any other value works as before. Objections?

By the way, I'd like to update the Executive producers to Exec. producers: it's much wider than all other headings and I think it eats a lot of space for little reason. — Ekans ^talk @ 19:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done — Ekans ^talk @ 03:58, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Merged in Sponsor parameter

In late 2008 an editor had created and implemented Template:Infobox radio show2 in some new articles, the only difference being a parameter for "sponsor." This is obviously an important element for earlier radio programs, so I've added it to this template, redirected the redundant one, and updated the related articles. Thanks.— TAnthony^Talk 03:22, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Italics

{{edit semi-protected}} Currently the show name on the infobox is not italicised, but it should be. For example:

Example show

Could someone fix this please?

Also could someone add {{Italic title}} per WP:ITALICTITLE please? Mhiji (talk) 20:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Not done: That is for italicizing the title of an article. It wouldn't have the effect that you want. You should be able to use normal markup in the infobox (i.e., putting ''The Morning Show'' on that line should make it be italicized. If you want the title of an article this infobox goes into to be italicized, you would need to add the Italic title template to the article itself. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:30, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Date display

We need to fix the way dates are displayed for one-off programmes like War of the Worlds (radio), and individual episodes, such as Very Tough Love, where the prefix "since" is inappropriate. Any suggestions as to how we can best do this? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:55, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Template documentation - "Start date" and "End date"

I'm not sure how all this template stuff works, so this question may be useless. I noticed that the documentation for several infobox templates says to use "Start date" and "End date" in the "first_aired" "last_aired" fields like that shown below.

| first_aired = {{Start date|2004|3|31}}
| last_aired = {{End date|2007|2|14}}

I noticed others have used these with this template and I also tried and it seems to work fine. I'm thinking this should be included in the template documentaion. Or maybe this is common knowledge that I'm just not familiar with. - Hydroxonium (talk) 08:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Done; just now. They're only needed when the infobox emits a microformat, which I've also added. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:59, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Preceded by/followed by

Is there any way we could add a preceded by / followed by field, as per the TV template. For the article I am working on it would be useful, but I am sure it would apply to many shows. Uvghifds (talk) 17:36, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Adding {{italic title}}

Could someone with a better understanding of ParserFunctions than me add {{italic title}} to the template, per MOS:ITALIC? The same thing is used in {{Infobox television}}. David1217 ^{What I've done} 03:13, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

 Done. Gobōnobō ^{+ c} 01:18, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:Runtime

Six of the pages using this infobox use {{runtime}} which is nominated for deletion. I wonder whether it would be worth merging this feature here, i.e. adding the parameters end_time and start_time to this template with the option of automatic calculation of runtime. Jimp 05:28, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

done, if anyone wants a record of the changes, see this list. Frietjes (talk) 18:38, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Adding "Engineer"

Seems like we should have "technical director" and "engineer" categories for radio shows, no? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leah1230 (talk • contribs) 20:55, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Suboptimal labels

I have used this template on Birds In Britain. The labels "Hosted by" and "Original release" are not good; can we agree one something better? Or make them configurable? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:31, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Pigsonthewing- I agree that "original release" is a poor way to describe every type of radio show's first run on-air. For one thing, not all radio programs are prerecorded, which tend to be made for repeat broadcasts. I can imagine a taped radio drama re-airing much more than a live talk radio program. I would support splitting "original release" into two separate fields: "first airdate" and "last airdate" similar to {{Infobox radio station}}. Levdr1lp / talk 01:08, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Music

There doesn't seem any music. I.e. musical director, arranger, performer. 180.190.183.6 (talk) 04:20, 3 April 2019 (UTC)